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Seems to me that Wolfpack officials are satisfied if not downright happy each season with football, basketball and baseball going .500 in the ACC, or somewhere near that. Just serve up enough cupcakes to cover the sub-.500 seasons.
The bar of ACC sports success at NCSU for the above 3 sports has become a Limbo bar.
The day Notre Dame joins ACC football will be the day the NCAA punishes UNC. Dream on.
I’d give the Irish an ultimatum to join the ACC fully or leave. It’s absurd to give Notre Dame, of all schools, partial ACC membership and they keep their football money to themselves. That would be like giving Duke and UNC the same deal and letting them be independent in basketball.
The ACC is already too big. Unless West Virginia was added, right now no other team would be a sensible economic fit. And any additional Florida teams coming into the league would be like the BC admission- get Boston or Orlando in our footprint. I don’t think the Boston footprint is working too well, John.
If the ACC is looking for revenue, recurring revenue, maybe it’s time to allow a return of ACC rivalries that built this league in the first place, still would make money and build fan interest, such as State-Duke twice a year in basketball and every year in football. Same for Wake Forest-UNC. Put the ACCT in Greensboro permanently, and start allowing baseball to have home-and-away series between the Big Four schools every season.
The bigger this league gets, the further it gets from its roots. NASCAR should be the Exhibit A example of what trying to re-invent the wheel will do to this league. Expansion ain’t working, and I think it’s going to continue to pull this league apart in the long run, especially if more teams are added.
Who hired Gott to come to NCSU?
Here you have it, folks……the Wolfpack version of the Final Four- KU, Louisville, Miami and NC State.
Who’ll come out the biggest winner in this select group?
Place your office pool bets now.
I think this program will probably remain mediocre under DD if you look at how the Wolfpack has done overall since he came in. The OOC schedule, most of it at home, is made for easy wins against teams that most Pack fans don’t care to see. It may upgrade a little with WVU in September, but there are plenty of chances every season to win 8 or 9 games when 4 or 5 are all but guaranteed W’s.
I do feel exactly the way I spoke. Until there are changes from above the coaching levels here at NCSU, I just don’t see any upgrade of the football program anytime soon.
In answer to “Anybody NOT done with DD?”, the answer is Debbie Yow. As long as DD can win the home OOC games, beat BC, Syracuse and Wake Forest, plus one more somewhere, he’s 6-6 and still HC. And that bowl in Shreveport, El Paso, Detroit or Slingsh-t, Idaho will keep him our HC, win or lose it.
And if you think DD will be here for awhile, KK will be here even longer. Look what that first year did for Sidney Lowe- he got 4 more, and if KK can just break even in the ACC from now on, he’ll be hailed as the next Everett Case.
AD Yow never met a HC hire that she couldn’t, in her mind, convert to a successful HC, by current State standards, anyway.
She ain’t goin’ nowhere. Look, the money is good, as evidenced by the recent 95K bonus to the UNC President, with 40K of it being counted into her retirement earnings. I don’t know what she makes, but if the UNC President can make 775K with less than 2 years’ experience, I imagine Yow has enough incentive to stay here as long as she wants. The longer the better.
I saw where Detroit apparently won their game in the bottom of the 9th, only to have the call at the plate reversed, wiping out what was the winning run. They ended up losing in 13.
If MLB gets this instant replay carcinoma that is ruining football and basketball, about the only sport left for me to watch will be bass fishing.
Smith is a very underrated and under-appreciated coach.
I don’t think Y7 would have helped State next season because he doesn’t fit into the new system Keatts has brought. The rabbit hunt style of offense probably got him in foul trouble too much.
He was, in my opinion, the most important player we had this season and was the most consistent shooter. His presence on the court did many helpful things that didn’t always show up in the stats, and unfortunately he was blamed for our lack of interior defense. He is slow afoot, but there were many other problems as to why we were killed in the paint. Many of State’s losses came in games where Y7 sat out for long stretches.
I don’t know that Y7 will ever be an NBA player, although his size and outside shot might get him on a team that needs height. But I do believe that if he plays for another college team that will use him more, he’ll raise his pro stock. But I doubt he’ll wait two more seasons to play again.
I think the revolving door of players is here to stay, for now anyway. Transfers, grads, one-timers and lots of running and little emphasis on discipline and defense will be the rule from now on. Can we win with that? Yes, if we can recruit at a much higher level. I have big time doubts, but I’m going to shut up and hope for the best.
I agree that when UNC loses, that’s never a bad thing. Just like Charles Barkley said about Alabama.
But did anyone notice the presence of THREE former Wolfpack players on the floor during yesterday’s Nevada-Cincinnati game? The Martin twins were responsible for pulling off the biggest comeback in the history of the NCAA Tournament.
Like it or not, we will no longer be the “Wolfpack” that people think of when they talk college basketball.
Can’t wait until next season!
Back in the 1980s, before there was a 64-team field, the #1-seeded team in the entire tourney (probably 48 teams then), lost the tourney opener to the bottom-seeded team (unbeaten DePaul losing on a buzzer-beater to St. Joe’s, 51-49). I remember DePaul Coach Ray Meyer holding his hands to his head and crying over and over, OH NOOOOO!!
The only sports upsets I’ve seen that I’d rate ahead of last night were the 1980 Lake Placid hockey win over the Russians and the Jets beating the Colts in Super Bowl III. Last night ranks right up there with Billy Mills, Buster Douglas, “Down Goes Frazier!!!!!!!!!!!” and Kirk Gibson’s home run off Dennis Eckersley. I was too young to remember Bobby Thomson’s 1951 homer to help “The Giants Win The Pennant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Last night tops the UVA loss to Chaminade, because I think Ralph Sampson is the most overrated player I ever saw in college. Period. Bennett handled the loss with class, however.
You folks need to stop paying attention to ESPN. They’ve become a political network disguised as a sports channel, with wannabe political hacks using ESPN as their soapbox.
It’s no longer en vogue to report simply what happens in sports and move on from there, but rather it’s all about the commentary.
It would be a mistake for us to look ahead to Kansas. Seton Hall, who won the Big East tournament last season, is a solid team and is well coached. Of late they’re playing very well, losing to Villanova by only one point, plus they beat TCU by double digits this season.
The selections were about as expected, but I would have put both Louisville and Notre Dame in the field instead of Florida State and Syracuse. I don’t see how Louisville losing to UVA on a Hail Mary lessens them in the eyes of the selection committee. I also don’t understand what the selection committee saw in “Cuse, especially after the BC drubbing last weekend, culminating a season of blown opportunities. Apparently television needs an audience for these play-in games, featuring the likes of Jim Boeheim and UCLA.
The Big XII was considered the nation’s best conference, so why did they get only 7 teams in the field, especially when you consider KU is a #1 seed? West Virginia being only a #5 seed also puzzles me, as the Mountaineers have had a really good season under difficult conditions, playing in a conference a thousand miles away. They also beat UVA this season.
I guess my nightmare Final Four would be Kentucky, Arizona, Duke and UNC. U of A shouldn’t even be in the tournament, nor should Grayson Allen, who once again showed his a##, both figuratively and literally last Friday night. And Kentucky’s Calipari is the biggest slimeball in the college game today, period.
I would have picked Duke, but now with Allen getting his coach, along with Greenberg, Bilas and Barkley, to defend him, I sincerely hope the Devils go out ASAP.
How much worse will Wake Forest have to get before THAT position becomes available?
I’m not worried about the Pack getting in on Sunday- they probably will. But the seeding will probably give State little chance to advance in the NCAAT, even if they don’t have to go to Dayton.
I’m sorry to say it, but after seeing almost every home game this season, I didn’t see any real improvement over the last coach. We did win more games, but the same things that have held this program back for decades continue to haunt us: terrible defense, untimely turnovers, bad shot selection and inconsistent free throw shooting.
Winning the GT and BC games at season’s end would have greatly enhanced State’s NCAAT seeding, but in those games State was outhustled and decisively beaten by inferior opponents. Until State starts playing like a real Wolfpack rather than like a pack of wolves, where players are more interested in driving the ball to the rack for a highlight reel dunk rather than passing off to an open teammate, it’s likely we’ll continue to be another ACC program mired somewhere from the middle to the lower part of the ACC.
I don’t see the ACC getting 11 teams in the NCAAT, just like I don’t see 9 Big XII teams making the Dance. The Selection Committee, at least in my opinion, will likely try and equal things out a little.
Regardless of what happens in the ACCT, I think UVA, Duke, UNC, Clemson and Miami are in. I don’t think an opening loss for any of these will matter much for their seeding. I also think VT, FSU and the Wolfpack will make it if they lose today, but other teams’ successes could make FSU and State sweat a little on Selection Sunday. They’ll likely get in, but to me FSU simply isn’t a very good team outside Tally, and I think that’ll be proven again today.
I think Louisville is going to get in, and Syracuse just might, especially if they win twice. I don’t see ND getting in with less than 3 ACCT wins, and although BC isn’t going to get in, the game today worries me. Despite State’s obvious won-loss improvement, I haven’t seen any significant defensive improvement. The Eagles are a well-coached team with two quality players who can go for 30 on any given day. I doubt Robinson will have another bad offensive game against us.
If State continues its poor defense, I hope Omer Yurtseven stays out of foul trouble and continues his consistent play. Without him on the floor, I don’t think the Pack will spend much time in the post-season.
And I’d like to thank the ACC Comish, John Swofford, for moving the ACCT to NYC. I haven’t heard today’s weather forecast, but I hope the snow there today makes the March 1980 ACCT snow in Greensboro look like a dusting.
Blame the refs all you want, but there are still too many turnovers, poor defense and bad shot selection. When this team gets ahead, instead of playing within themselves, they seem to go into panic mode. Instead of using the shot clock to their advantage, the ball hogs throw it up as soon as they can get it across the time line. Sometimes I wonder if Al Freeman is even aware he has 4 other team mates on the floor when he gets the ball.
I believe had State won last night, they’d be IN. Now, two straight losses could send them to the NIT, depending on what other teams do. Even a win tomorrow might not be enough, depending AGAIN on what somebody else does.
Yes, this is a better team than in the past few seasons, and at times they are very good. But until this group learns to play smart, we’ll likely see the same result as we’ve seen for so long: wait until next season.
Sure looks like the Pack is in the Dance. About the only thing that could keep ’em out now would be to lose out and then lose out first game in the ACCT. Likely won’t happen.
ACC should get a boatload of teams in the Dance. Notre Dame has lost too many, and Syracuse shouldn’t make it either. I think 9 will go, and for those who think Duke is overrated, better think again. They can beat anybody even without Bagley. With him healthy, look for another Final Four by the Devils. UNC and UVA will likely be Sweet, and after that, I’m not sure about the ACC’s chances.
As for the ACCT, just get it over with and keep it out of NY forever. As for Louisville, yet another crown in John Swofford’s grand expansion cap. Can’t wait until the NCAA also lowers the boom on another former Big East team, Miami.02/12/2018 at 12:15 PM in reply to: Never Too Early To The Hate Going… UN* game thread 2/10/18 #130510
This coaching staff seems determined to run its own style regardless of who they’re playing. Do they know what a ZONE defense is?
The reason that State’s basketball program has been mediocre for the past two, no- make that the last three decades, is that there has been no emphasis on building a program FIRST on team defense and discipline. It’s always been second-tier offensive talent that usually departs after a few seasons and later surfaces somewhere in Europe. Instead of going after freshmen players with good fundamental SKILLS who will stick for 3 or 4 seasons, we seem to be think we can get better by grabbing transfers, who generally won’t be around long enough to learn the system you’re trying to implement.
I’m not among the Keatts bashers although I am still very disappointed that Yow apparently didn’t go after Chris Holtmann of Butler, or several other proven coaches out there who I think would have taken our program up several notches. I’m sure the folks in Columbus are happy right now.
I don’t know what was going on with Y7 Saturday. He may have been sick or simply was having a poor shooting game, but this team is not a Big Dance team with Y7 on the bench for over half the game. Even on a bad shooting day, the big guy’s presence inside will change what the opponents’ offense tries to do. Most all of State’s success this season is because of Yurtsevin, period. For the Pack to make a real run at the NCAA post-season, they must get a lot of minutes out of Y7, Johnson and/or Beverly, and to play smarter defense. Putting a muzzle on Al Freeman wouldn’t be a bad idea, either.
The loss Saturday hurt, but to me the one at Va. Tech may prove even worse. I would hate to see that kind of performance again at Syracuse and Wake Forest this week.02/09/2018 at 12:30 PM in reply to: If the PACK is going to the Mountaintop this season – Hokies Game Thread #130274
Everyone talks about defense, or the lack of it, which is a key factor. But what about State’s shot selection? This team seemingly never passes the ball around; they either jack it up as soon as they can get within 25 feet of the basket, or they try to dribble through the other team’s entire defense en route to an attempted dunk. These players aren’t freshmen and you’d think they’d know by now to look for good shots and to pass the ball around more. Johnson, at least, will give up the ball on occasion. I wish Al Freeman would do more of that.
If the 3s are falling, and if Y7 can stay out of foul trouble, State can hang with anyone. But when their outside shooting goes south and Y7 goes to the bench, which happened again Wednesday night, this may be a rough ride to Brooklyn.
I well remember Sidney Lowe’s first season, when UNC came in as #1 and State beat ’em. State lost to UNC in the ACCT finals, I believe that same season, and from there on, it was not pretty.
It appears that we may not be playing on Tuesday in the ACCT, and that is a positive start.01/14/2018 at 9:44 PM in reply to: A Trip to Charlottesville — and a game thread too… #128991
I now know what the “U” in ESPNU stands for- U G L Y.
Honestly, last night to me was worse than anything I saw under Gottfried, and I’m not a fan of Gott. No matter how bad you inherited from last season, you have to make the best of what you have. We aren’t even close to doing that in my opinion. This team is LOST.
I think most of our players would rather drive to the rack for a highly contested dunk rather than pull up for a short jumper.
I think that we should be slowing the tempo rather than playing a rabbit hunt offense when we’re obviously short-handed in numbers and appear gassed in the second half.
I think that our shot selection is the worst I’ve seen in years, not to mention our shooting. If players can’t shoot open 3s, then why not try to get a few feet closer for a 2?
Why do we keep recruiting transfers? To me, there is an obvious reason why players transfer after a few seasons where they don’t get to play much.
I’m trying to be optimistic, but I’m dam*ed tired of losing and being told every 5 years that we need to give it more time. No, I didn’t expect to win our first two ACC games and I don’t expect to win Saturday night, but the way we looked last night was disgraceful. I turned the game off with 7 minutes to go and when I turned on WTVD 11 this afternoon for highlights, they said that it was so bad that they wouldn’t even show them, and they didn’t.
As for Keatts, I think he’s in over his head. Do we need to give yet another coach 5 seasons to prove it? Actually, I think he’ll be here longer than that, because he’s already set the bar lower by saying we have much less talent than our opponents (translated- don’t expect to win anytime soon).
I really believe that this school’s administration doesn’t care if it’s EVER relevant again in basketball, as long as the money rolls in. How much longer will it be before the Big Wolves have had enough? I’ve been in the WPC over 20 years now and have just about abandoned hope that we’ll ever be more than just another road kill, Tuesday entrant into the ACCT.
If Pitt, GT and VT are as bad as predicted, it won’t help that we play them only once, and on the road. We need more home opponents that we have a realistic chance of beating. We sure as he!l aren’t going to win many road games this season.
The ACC looks about like it usually does. Duke and UNC are in the hunt for another national title, while Miami and UVA, slightly on a lower level, will be tough outs in the post-season. Louisville should get back to the
Dance despite losing Pitino, and FSU and Clemson will likely make it as well. I don’t know much about ND’s coach but do know that VT’s coach will keep them in the hunt, same as Syracuse. We appear lost among the rest of the ACC teams not mentioned above.
We also appear lost much of the time on the court. So far, there doesn’t seem to be a floor leader for the Wolfpack. Tourney Tuesday seems a lock for this team.
I’m thinking we should put down the round ball and pick up the football.
There’s not much point in criticizing Keatts at this point. Like him or not, he’s ours for at least the next 4 seasons, and that’s after this one. Makes no difference to NCSU how bad we are right now. My expectations are higher but again, why complain?
I’ve been at all the home games so far, and the big problem so far is shooting. This is Basketball 101. This team simply can’t shoot. Period. They just don’t miss- they aren’t even close with a lot of shots. Their foul shooting could be worse, but field goal shooting, especially from deep, is atrocious. Beverly to me is doing a credible job with the ball, but he’s got a ways to go with his shot. Dorn is probably doing about as well as he can and I’ll hate to see him go next season. Batts, who has appeared lost on the court at times, seems off-balance with his shot- he seems to fly in ten different directions when he lets go from outside. He’s not bad driving to the basket. AF does ok most of the time but last night he couldn’t find the basket. Johnson to me wasn’t much of a shooter, and he turned it over in critical situations, but we need bodies right now. Hicks is out and the Captain has apparently been beamed down and only periodically appears. Hunt defines the streak shooter. Abu is still a work in progress and to me is our best talent. The bigs are improving. LF to me needs to play as much as he can. Y7 shows some promise if he’ll post up deeper, and when he posts away from the bucket, he needs to kick it back out and muscle in deeper for a return pass. He just needs to be meaner, but maybe it’s just his nature to play soft.
The most troubling thing to me, if there is one thing now, is that I’m having flashbacks of Justin Wells being benched on Senior Night and BJ Anyu’s on again and off again doghouse saga. There are some things the fans don’t need to know, but right now I’m a little confused as to why some players seem to be on their way to being lost on the bench.
I guess we’ll know a lot more after the first two ACC games in the upcoming weeks.