Let the Hate Flow – U*NC Open Thread

I spent all day yesterday, and part of the day before, cooking.  Then my extended family invaded the house, ate all my food, and left the house a complete and total shambles.  But before they all left, one of my nephews, who was brought to MY house wearing a Carolina shirt, was pulled aside and talked to.

Before he left, I traded him….he went home wearing an NC State shirt.  His Carolina shirt is now in the garbage can in the garage and will be disposed of at the dump before kickoff today.  Yes, I’m serious.

Last night, after getting the house and kitchen at least back to a semblance of normalcy, I reflected on today’s game.  More on that later….but first, let’s hate for a bit.

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I hate The University* of North Carolina with a passion.  And when I say “hate”….I MEAN hate.  I hate everything about them.  I hate their arrogance.  I hate their cheating ways.  I hate their plausible deniability….oh no NCAA, it was academic.  Oh no SACS, it was athletic.  I hate that when one tries to point these things out, the knee jerk response is either “You’re just jealous” or “You’re not our rivals anyway” or “That’s in the past, we’ve fixed those problems”.

Yeah, sure you have.  Suuuuurrrre you have.

And even if that fairy tale WAS true (it’s not, btw), you still haven’t paid your pound of flesh yet.  And you’re fighting like crazy to deny, deflect and delay, just because you’re a bunch of p-ssies who wouldn’t know how to live up to your responsibilities if you tripped over them.

We did, we owned up….and for much, much less severe transgressions.  We were honest to a fault.  Dismantled an athletic program more or less, and killed a National Championship basketball coach in the process….but we did it.  Collectively threw ourselves on the proverbial sword.  And now, these sh-theels, who collectively were more than happy to run us thru with said sword years ago, are gonna sit here and lie about their own culpability in the BIGGEST ATHLETIC/ACADEMIC SCANDAL IN THE HISTORY OF COLLEGE ATHLETICS….and still find a way to try to come across as holier than thou.

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In ’89 we should have told them to all go and eat the whole bag.  They can all rot in hell for all I care.

Also….Dean Smith was a dickhead no matter what those baby blue f-cktards try to tell you.

I was in Walmart (yes, the setting drips with irony, friends) a few days ago, wearing an NCSU shirt of course.  I had two people come up to me, neither of whom appeared to have graduated HS successfully, let alone attended U*NC.  But these two genetic misfits still came up to me and started talking sh-t about this game (and basketball in general also).  I listened.  Patiently.

When they were done I asked two questions….

Did either of you attend U*NC?  Well, no…but….

“AH AH, SHUT UP”, I says.

Are you really so proud of an athletic program and university which lies, cheats and steals, just to make money….so much so that you are proud of coming up to me here and talking sh-t about a school you couldn’t even get admitted into IF you tried?  No answer.

“Yeah, that’s what I thought….have a nice Thanksgiving,” as I walked away.

Bottom line, there’s not enough napalm on the planet to raze Chapel Hill to the ground.  But oh, if only there was.  And these toothless, dickless, hapless assheads who shop for their Tar Heel gear at Walmart (yes, it’s really a real phenomenon) should be buried up to their necks and have rocks and other projectiles tossed at their heads.  But at least Sam Walton’s progeny are getting rich off them.

Dumbasses.

So, today’s game.  The likelihood is that it won’t end well for us Wolven sort.  We’re an 11 point road dog.

HOWEVER….

Carolina has the worst run defense in the conference.  We’ve got Matt Dayes and Co.  So matchups might end up shining for us if other things can work out.  What are the other things?  Our secondary.  Up front defensively, I think we’ll probably hold our own.  TJ logan could punish us to a degree.  But if we let them open things up in the passing game, it will only open things up for Logan that much more.  So our secondary has got to stay home and keep their collective sh-t together.

I don’t expect us to win, but I do think we’ve got a puncher’s chance.

There’s a bowl game on the line for us.  There’s the slim hope of a Coastal title for them.  My biggest wish is that they’ve already had the rings made and shirts printed (not like it would be the first time, right?) and we’d waltz in and put another 41-10 drubbing on them in front of their self-righteous fanbase.  I WANT BABY BLUE TEARS!!!!!!!!

F-ck ’em all.

UNC, NC State renew rivalry with eyes on even bigger goals (USAToday.com)

“I’d say it’s a great rivalry,” UNC coach Larry Fedora said. “It’s unique because your fans interact year round — they’re always around each other. They work together. I’m sure that some of them are friends.”

Probably not on gameday, though.

Tar Heels cornerback Des Lawrence says there’s “a bit more chirping between” his team and the Wolfpack, and there’s “extra talk. That amps things up.”

So do the stakes.

The Tar Heels (8-3, 5-2 Atlantic Coast Conference) enter the final week of the regular season still in the hunt for a Coastal Division title and a repeat berth in the ACC championship game, but they need to beat N.C. State and get some help from Virginia, which faces Virginia Tech the following day.

The situation is a bit more dire for the Wolfpack (5-6, 2-5), whose season was marked by close losses to a pair of highly ranked teams — Clemson and Florida State — and also befuddling losses to East Carolina and Boston College, two teams with a combined record of 8-14. A win over North Carolina will make them bowl eligible, while a loss will keep them home for the second time in coach Dave Doeren’s four seasons.

UNC vs. NC State Prediction, Game Preview (CampusInsiders.com)

What To Know About UNC

One week after the Tar Heels suffered a tough road loss to Duke, which really hurt UNC’s ACC Coastal division cause, Larry Fedora’s squad shut down one of the best offenses in all of FCS. The Tar Heels offense didn’t have its “A” game, but it didn’t have to against the Bulldogs. UNC converted just one third down and was out-gained in yardage 371-356, but the Heels did actually have an interception. Dominique Green picked off a pass and returned it 58 yards for a touchdown, which was the first interception of the year for UNC. It had been the only FBS team to not intercept a pass this season.

What to Know About NC State

One week after the Wolfpack went on the road and held Syracuse to 218 total yards in a 35-20 win, Dave Doeren’s squad received 76 yards and a score on the ground from Matt Dayes, who became NC State’s first 1,000-yard rusher since 2002. But mistakes doomed the Wolfpack, including an end-zone interception by quarterback Ryan Finley, a penalty that took back a fourth-quarter scoring run by Dayes and Bra’Lon Cherry’s second-half fumble on a punt return. The game was seemingly a microcosm of the Wolfpack’s entire season. To get to the postseason for a third straight year, NC State must be able to capitalize on its golden opportunities when they are presented. Do Doeren and Co. have a clean game left in them for the regular season finale?

 Scouting reports: NC State at North Carolina (NewsObserver.com)

Key theme: N.C. State’s defense forced a total of seven turnovers in back-to-back games against Notre Dame and Clemson. That’s the same number it has forced in the five games since the 24-17 overtime loss at Clemson on Oct. 15. The defense has to make more plays, especially against UNC’s prolific offense. The Wolfpack can’t afford to just trade punches with UNC’s offense. It won’t be able to keep up.

N.C. State also needs to keep tabs on UNC running back T.J. Logan, who has three touchdowns in as many career games against the Wolfpack. Logan ran for 100 yards, on just six carries, with two touchdowns in last year’s 45-34 win in Raleigh.

 

Pack Travels to UNC for Friday Rivalry Game (GoPack.com)

 Two years ago at Kenan Stadium, the Wolfpack churned out 388 rushing yards in a lopsided 35-7 victory over the Tar Heels. Stung by that result, UNC returned the favor last season in Raleigh, putting 35 points on the board in the opening quarter and never looking back in a 45-34 triumph.

“We played really well two years ago and played really bad last year,” said Wolfpack head coach Dave Doeren. “They played really well last year and I’m sure they’d say they played really bad two years ago. It’s an emotional game and obviously you want to sustain the highs and lows early and make it a four quarter football game if that’s what it calls for.”

The ability to manage emotions becomes a tricky task in rivalry games, thus creating a certain level of unpredictability that often leads to unforeseen outcomes. The desire to obtain bragging rights and do so for passionate followers who relish owning the upper hand in the annual ‘water cooler debates’ can occasionally cause players to actually try to do too much over the course of a game, leading to execution mistakes prompted by overwhelming, sometimes unchecked emotion.

In its impressive victory in Chapel Hill two years ago, NC State used its emotion productively, funneling the excess energy into a dominant performance at the line of scrimmage.

Time: High Noon

TV: ESPN

Author’s warning….this first YouTube clip is totally NSFW or for your children….

This second one is family friendly, however….

Go Pack!!!!!

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  • #111292
    Gowolves
    Participant

    http://bleacherreport.com/nc-state-football

    Looks like we have DD one more year. I guess I’m ok with that. I think.

    #111293
    eas
    Participant

    Looks like one more year is correct. I think the TarHole game was the tie breaker. If we had lost and we kept him there would be riots in the streets. No, not riots but Yow would have had to make a more pressured decision. I really was ready to move on after horrible coaching decisions in the game continued into this year but oh well. Sign and sealed for another year I guess.

    #111295
    Heelh8r
    Participant

    It says nothing about “one more year”. It says he is our coach moving forward. Big difference.

    #111296
    Greywolf
    Participant

    I don’t think he will be remembered as a Dick Sheridan….MAYBE an Earl Edwards…(3 yds and a cloud of dust and quick kick on a 3rd and long).

    You show your ignorance of Earle Edwards when you left the “e” off his name. You mean the Earle, the one who got his team as high as number 3 in the nation? That same Earle who won a half dozen (or maybe just 5) ACC championships? The same Earle Edwards who had 3 All-Americas in one year on his team?

    3 yards and a clowd of dust my arse. If and I think that is a big IF you were in Riddick Stadium getting splinters in your butt watching Earle’s Wolfpack you didn’t see many 3rd and longs or quick kicks. FYI worrying that a team might quick kick makes 3rd and long a little more manageable.

    Earle’s success is what gave the Carter Stadium idea its real boost. So read up on it before you make snarky remarks about Earle Edwards where I can read them.

    For full disclosure I must admit that Earle’s son, Bob, was in my class in HS and we were friends and Earle and my mother shared the same retirement home for a spell.

    There, I feel better now and Alias won’t be disappointed that I didn’t get my feathers ruffled over SOMETHING here on SFN. 😉

    #111297
    Gowolves
    Participant

    It says nothing about “one more year”. It says he is our coach moving forward. Big difference.

    Let’s be realistic, through. If he has another year like this next season then he will be fired. Regardless if he beats UNC. We fired TOB under the same circumstances. He has one year to prove himself.

    #111298
    Heelh8r
    Participant

    ^Yep. And if he has a great year, we’ll be the ones hoping that he wants to stay.

    #111300
    TheAliasTroll
    Participant

    There, I feel better now and Alias won’t be disappointed that I didn’t get my feathers ruffled over SOMETHING here on SFN.

    glad to have ya back in the fold

    #111301
    choppack1
    Participant

    Yes. I saw the vote of confidence from His. It wasn’t exactly the biggest pep talk in the world, but I think it pretty much removes any remaining doubt after yesterday.

    The program is positioned well to have a successful season. The squad needs to get over the proverbial hump. It would have been nice to see us salt away this game the way the “u” slammed the door on us 2 weeks ago.

    It was a needed win, but there are the signs much like the Notre Dame game where we let a talented team hang around jeopardizing a solid all-around effort. (This is what happened vs FSU and it absolutely bit us in the end.)

    Lost in some of the drama of this year was that we were incredibly fortunate on the injury front. We probably won’t be so lucky next year, so let’s all agree to remove that excuse if we finish 3-5 or worse.

    Next needs to be about finishing teams off and the staff needs to examine their own culpability in the slew of close losses. How can they give us the best chance to win in the fourth.

    If we can improve in those areas, next year has a chance to be very special because frankly, those areas were the only reason this wasn’t the most satisfying football season since Sheridan’s first year.

    #111302
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    If our “football program” improves as much from this year to next year as it did from last year to this year…

    I’m thinking 97% of all this “Coach can’t” stuff…
    moves 25 miles West or further….
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    Besides … They GOTT their own “problems” over there in Orange County, you know….

    starting with a MILLION DOLLAR DC and after two years…
    NO F’ing Defense…

    Steve Logan had a great line about that this morning on the radio…

    Other guy says “The Tarholes only lose three Defensive Starters to graduation. They will be ‘improved’ next year.”

    Logan replies…”If I was the Coach… I would just as soon lose the whole squad, ’cause they ain’t GOTT nothing, especially on the Line, unless it’s some super top secret redshirts or a 5star who’s still in High School”.

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #111303
    Rick
    Keymaster

    ^Yep. And if he has a great year, we’ll be the ones hoping that he wants to stay.

    After listening to his post game yesterday there is no doubt he will hit the road at the first opportunity.

    #111304
    Greywolf
    Participant

    You have to laugh, the holea have Chikslit for DC and we have Hux. Which team has the 4-star athletes and the big deal DC? It ain’t State yet that no count Hux has his D playing much better. Hux is like the “dumb” kid in school. No matter how well he does, it ain’t good enough for a good grade.

    I think it’s ironic that defense won the day. We finally got in my favorite offense at the end of the game — the victory formation.

    #111306
    Greywolf
    Participant

    After listening to his post game yesterday there is no doubt he will hit the road at the first opportunity.

    Maybe but maybe he’ll get over that awful article in the Technician. That’s a toughie. Your student newspaper calling for him to be thrown to the wolves. It’s one thing for a bunch of board monkeys to want you gone, it’s another thing altogether for you school newspaper to do it.

    Dave is a good man if nothing else. Maybe he’s bigger than we think.

    #111307
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    If Coach DD ain’t or can’t get use to 18-22yr old kids saying stupid sh#t…
    then either he’s in the wrong business OR his ain’t old enough yet…

    Bottom line is…

    Dave is a good man if nothing else. Maybe he’s bigger than we think.

    … and a whole lot more better man than anybody currently writing for the Technician.

    THIS does not concern me at all ’bout Coach DD.

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #111308
    TheAliasTroll
    Participant

    Dave needs to FIX the clock management issues and bizarre play calling in crunch time to even be considered as a decent coach.

    Next year’s schedule I imagine will actually be tougher than this year. We only get 6 home games next year and we open up the season against South Carolina (the REAL Carolina). We’ll also have go into South Bend to play (don’t expect any hurricane help in Indiana). And we still play in the tougher Atlantic division.

    Doesn’t matter how close we keep these games if we don’t brush up on game management 101.

    And yes, it appears he doesn’t seem happy to be here, even after a win against the rivals, and seems ultra-sensitive to any criticisms. Wonder how he feels when the checks clear though?

    Oh, and go get a kicker worth a damn.

    #111309
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    A stupid, but expected decision. Inertia rules at NC State, so there is nobody looking over Yow’s shoulder to double check that this serves our long term interests (keeping a coach that basically said “fuck you” to the fanbase after completing a 6-6 season, prior to having to ask same to buy tix to an unattractive bowl destination).

    YMMV

    #111310
    Rick
    Keymaster

    Of a school newspaper reacting to four pretty bad seasons gets under his skin then he is definitely in the wrong business.
    He may be a good man but he acted like a petulant child in his post game yesterday.

    #111317
    TheAliasTroll
    Participant

    Fantastic Wolverines/Buckeyes game.

    #111322
    Rick
    Keymaster

    Fantastic Wolverines/Buckeyes game.

    Darn Skippy. Meyer has some gonads.

    #111437
    choppack1
    Participant

    Wow. Bjd squarely in the “fire DD” camp.

    As for me, his players showed they still give a flip and for that he shall reap the rewards. I don’t know how to call it…I can’t tell if he was mad at the state fans or the press or the lady who hired him or all of the above.

    Regardless, he has to understand for that for 4 years, the fanbase has endured a lot…and the progress this year, which changed to regression in the 4th quarter And resulted in the most heartbreaking collapses since Sendek’s 4th season here, well let’s just say that didn’t help matters.

    Dave, your reward is $2 million dollars, and a job and a chance to see just how special and electric this fanbase is when they actually believe they won’t get their hearts broken.

    #111439
    PackerInRussia
    Participant

    Oh, and go get a kicker

    Yeah, until they do, ESPN can take off the green “field goal range” line when State is on offense.

    #111441
    McCallum
    Participant

    Way to go State, true to form you suck.

    McCallum

    #111442
    mak4dpak
    Participant

    I woke up this morning and we still won the game in Chapel Hill. Go Pack! But agree there needs to be major improvements in the win column next year. And I know somewhere out there is a great FG kicker. Sign him, and the job is his. No competition.

    #111457
    Adventuroo
    Participant

    GreyWolf,

    If you feel better, then that is good. There is enough stress and emotion for old folks like us so we need to explode every once and a while.

    I was there from 63 to 68, so that gave me 5 FB seasons…and a couple of field trips with my HS Band to Riddick.

    I looked up earlE’s record. It was much better than I remembered. However, the standard line in Riddick my freshman year (1963) was the 3 Yd’s and I do remember seeing the infamous strategy 3rd down Quick Kick many times. You are more familiar. I did NOT but one FB game in ’64 as I was working on the weekends at WRAL save a homecoming. I don’t remember much about that….except my old GF & I getting plastered and (fill in the blank). She was my DW’s of 51 year’s good friend. It gets really complicated after that….and time and privacy do not permit more.

    Then for the rest of my NCSU career, I was focusing on studying….having pulled a 0.33 my Fall Sophomore semester…and did not attend in the spring….thanks to Banks Tally turning down my appeal.

    BUT, I did do better and was an honor roll student for my Jr and Sr years. Funny thing, when you’ve got a beautiful and great skirt in the next room, you do NOT have to go out and chase….My wife recognized that certain conjugal rights were to be rewards for studying..

    I DO have vivid memories of the Houston Game in 1967 and was in Reynolds for a Glenn Yarborough concert. He let us listen to the game from a transistor radio and left his mike out at intermission and called out frequently for an update. I have seen a LOT of live performances over the years and the finesse that he showed and did not TRY to compete with the game was brilliant. Dionne Warwick got mad when a fan had to go potty and pouted…

    Coach Edwards and his players….many of which grace our CF banners and plaques was an excellent coach.

    After graduation, I moved to the frozen north and then later to rural (They still have Yankee and Rebel soldiers in the Poetcasi Swamp fighting in the 70’s) North Hampton County. I saw them once deer hunting and they wanted to trade for my rifle…

    SO, I sort of tuned out and when I moved to Statesville and later, Sanford, I started to attend to games…I also was an avid deer hunter and my fall Saturdays were sometimes in a deer stand…

    Having been a Berry dorm resident for a semester, I got to know, in passing, Amato and Falzano (Sp) and some of the other athletes that had a small PA clan in the basement of Berry. You had to get passes to go through the halls and the dorm counselor would turn a blind eye (to keep from getting black and blue), when a very SLIM (and shapely) “player” would come in with a hoodie….and a couple of six packs. They did special privileges….

    I know of other incidents, off campus where I lived, where the football players were treated to the NCSU equivalent of the Sweet Carolines….in a mixed room with many participants….but discretion will not permit any more details….

    I certainly do long for the glory days and did not mean to dis EE…

    #111466
    wolfpackdawg
    Participant

    DD needs thicker skin. We are one of the milder FB fan bases.

    And South Carolina’s D is almost as bad as the Heel’s.

    #111467
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    He may be a good man but he acted like a petulant child in his post game yesterday.

    Couldn’t have been worse than Harbaugh yesterday. That man is a heck of a ball coach, but a sh*t stain of a man. A total whiner. Michigan had no business losing yesterday – and it wasn’t because of the first down call.

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