Football Schedule Analysis

Yes, I’ve finally had enough caffeine and motivation/shame to force myself to sit down and do this. For a chance (Added Note: I am omitting 2013, when Doeren simply had no chance, so much so that I had blacked it out and forgotten he had been here 3 years instead of 2, getting old is a bitch and a half), Doeren isn’t squarely behind the 8 ball in how the schedule flows, as I will elaborate below…

William & Mary (Thur 1 Sep, 7:30 – ESPN3)

Huzzah, we get the opener right. 9 days to correct the mistakes before a more formidable foe. A Thursday night kickoff that can’t be moved to noon by the Swoffy cabal to torture season ticket holders (and anyone else nuts enough to show up). The open questions we hope and need to see answered here – 1) can the OL be something other than a dumpster fire? and 2) can we identify a credible, good starting QB? For “ok” will not do, NC State never has and in my opinion, never will be any good without good QB play. For reference, look at the post-Philip Rivers side that boasted the most wolven defensive talent (at least in terms of NFL draft assets) ever…6-5.

Win probability – 99%

at Pitt County Community College and Battery Tossing Academy (Sat 10 Sep, Noon – ESPNU)

This is really stretching the “U” by ESPN, but oh well. Full confession, my oldest kid will be at this game as a freshman, cheering for the bad people. She asked me if I wanted to come, to which I said “hell no” (other expletives omitted). But if you are to play this stupid game, which offers zero strategic benefit to NC State and great value to the opposition (especially played at their dirt track racing arena)…this is the ideal time. It will always be EZU’s Super Bowl, but at least it won’t be watered down by coming in the middle of, or God help us, AFTER the ACC schedule. It will be the first legitimate opponent, the first “hostile crowd” test, and that will help our guys be up for it. And unlike 2014 and 2015, we get out first taste of “game speed” at the same time as our opposition, rather than being hopelessly behind the curve (which cost us at least the VPI game last year). Hiding your weaknesses never helps you. Get out there and play football. Hit somebody, see what you are made of. The kids want that.

Win probability – 55%

Old Dominion (Sat 17 Sep, 6:00 – ESPN3)

I probably find this fixture a bit trickier than most. But we could be a bit beat up after the road trip, or feeling a bit too good about ourselves. But in the end, it’s still a home game that we should win. Good scheduling, as it is a step up from the cupcake of the opener.

Win probability – 85%

The bye comes here, at a pretty good time, in my view. Three very different games for the coaches to analyze and make corrections. None of the possible losses would ruin or define the season.

Wake Forest (Sat 1 Oct, TBA)

Getting the Deacs at home off the bye…manna from heaven. Doeren starts 1-0 in ACC play this go ’round, without question.

Win probability – 95%

Notre Dame (Sat 8 Oct, TBA)

Time for shit to get real, yes? And again, the timing is perfect. Confidence should be high, the line should have gelled if ever it will. National pundits have written State off here, noting that under Doeren, “State has never beaten anyone of stature” (paraphrased). Yeah, but let me ‘splain. First, he inherited a vast talent gap. Year ThreeFour is the first time you can really start grading him with a red pen. Second, the teams that NC State has gotten blitzed by are the same that ND struggles with – speed teams. When the other guy can just run past you and score at will…that’s a limiting reagent. The Irish don’t have that, and have mudded around with much lesser sides than NC State, in much less hostile venues. Their record has been padded again and again by playing the dregs of the B1G and other slow, slow programs. NC State gets up for statement-type games, and this will qualify. I thought of this as a 30-35% shot going in, but once I saw the schedule layout, I am upgrading it further…

Win probability – 40%

at Clemson (Sat 15 Oct, TBA)

There are games I am optimistic about, and then there is going into Death Valley the week after playing Notre Dame. Cover your rectal orifices, boys.

Win probability – 10%

at Louisville (Sat 22 Oct, TBA)

Hey, this is a challenging little stretch here, eh? That said, we seem to play the Cardinals tough, and they don’t have the overwhelming personnel advantage that Clemson does. Still, the Fighting Petrinos are the best-coached side in the ACC, and will be a tough hill to climb.

Win probability – 25%

Boston College (Sat 29 Oct, TBA)

Isn’t it nice that Boston College is still in the league? Like having a second, colder Wake Forest. Still, they might have a defense, and our charges might be a wee bit beat up by this point. Not going to be arrogant with this one.

Win probability – 85%

Florida State (Sat 5 Nov, TBA)

A little birdie told me that we get the Criminoles right after they play Clemson at home (without a bye in between). That is indeed the case. Jimbo Fisher still can’t coach his way out of a wet paper bag, so you know they will come in arrogant, or feeling like they threw their season away. It will be a matter of (i) is their talent advantage so great that these factors don’t matter; and (ii) is State too beat up by this point in the season to take advantage? There is always the chance of magic when we play Florida State, so keep some hope alive.

Win probability – 30%

at Syracuse (Sat 12 Nov, TBA)

Damn the anthropomorphic Orange for not playing outdoors, and denying us the chance of Glorious Snow Footy. Will they still be bad? Almost surely. Will NC State have their patented FSU hangover? Almost surely. Will this game be unwatchable dreck that sets a season commenting high due to the raw angst of Glorious Wolven Proletariat? You know the answer…

Win probability – 65%

Miami (Sat 19 Nov, TBA)

This game could be vital for Da U, in terms of winning the Coastal Division. In fact, State’s performance in our last two fixtures could decide the fate of who loses to FSU/Clemson/Louisville in Charlotte on 3 Dec. Feel the excite!!! Can we just rest our starters for next week?

Win probability – 40%

at Trump University Fraudulent Diploma Mill – Orange County, NC Branch (Fri 25 Nov, Noon or 3:30, ABC or ESPN or ESPN2)

Insert all the bad words you know, everything dirty George Carlin and Jim Jefferies have ever said, and multiply it by about 10,000. As long as the Pack shows up reasonably healthy, I think we have enough to ruin a season and add some Schadenfruede to the post-turkey and pie haze of glory. Doeren seems to get the fire and brimstone aspect of our rivalry, and we will want this one…bad.

Win probability – 55%

Adding up the probabilities you get an expected win total of…

6.84. No cheating, I didn’t mess with the numbers to get them to equal what I predicted earlier (7-5), it just worked out that way. You can always try this exercise yourself.

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1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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  • #105717
    choppack1
    Participant

    In case some are interested, conference records of those NFL Qbs are as follows:
    Rivers – 17-15
    Wilson – 11-13* (this includes 2-6 stint year when his oc had leukemia), without it he was 9-7.
    Glennon – 8-8
    Brisset – 6-10

    So in 11 seasons, you had 3 losing conference records.

    How did we do when Roman Gabriel was qb? I know Kramer didn’t tear it up his junior year record-wise. (He was a juco if memory serves correct.)

    #105718
    Greywolf
    Participant

    How did we do when Roman Gabriel was qb?

    1960 4-1-1
    1961 3-4
    Don’t know if Gab was QB in 1959 but we were 0-6 that year. I believe he turned pro in 1962.

    #105719
    choppack1
    Participant

    Nice grey – either you have the memory of an elephant or you keep an nc state media guide close by.

    Gotta love the start of college football.

    #105721
    Greywolf
    Participant

    Nice grey – either you have the memory of an elephant or you keep an nc state media guide close by.

    Gotta love the start of college football.

    I wish. Googled Earle Edwards for the records and Roman for the year he went pro. Also the years he was AA and All-Conference. Didn’t care enough about 1959 to bother for more info.

    Hell yeah. Football tomorrow. 🙂

    #105722
    YogiNC
    Participant

    IT’S GAME DAY By God! Strap ’em up and HIT SOMEBODY! That “hit somebody” is a nod to my old ball coach, God rest his soul. Thanks much for the kind words Grey, just doing what I can to boost morale and give positive influences. In this world of negativity (it’s all around us) it really tends to wear down these old bones. At this age I just want to enjoy life, and that’s what football should be, win, lose, or draw. Oh wait, there is no more draw, my bad.

    Personally I think the last time I was this excited about the first game of the season was Rivers third year and that one was special. The bowl in Jax was probably the most fun I ever had at a State game especially when they crumpled the ND QB, oh wait, that win over FSU at the end of the season was crazy good too even though it was COLD! At any rate is time for some FOOTBALL! GO STATE!

    Smarter than the average bear

    #105724
    McCallum
    Participant

    I sense excitement close to that of the release of Maude, season three, on DVD.

    McCallum

    #105725
    packplantpath
    Participant

    We will NEVER “build a wall around” NC, even if that were enough.

    Maybe we can convince SC to pay for it. If we cut out the NC recruiting losses to the southern universities, maybe we can compete.

    #105726
    Rick
    Keymaster

    Rick, I’m a senior systems engineer at a company that does recruiting that tends to be all over the place from Hickory Farms to RTI

    I used to work at RTI. Funny thing, before I worked at RTI I was at IBM (across the street) and did not even know RTI existed until a friend of mine helped me get a job there. They have a big, nice campus but I grew real concerned about the leadership. The CEO, CIO, Controller, CFO and heads of two divisions all left within a 12 month period. I thought it was a good time to get out.

    #105727
    Rick
    Keymaster

    I sense excitement close to that of the release of Maude, season three, on DVD.

    LOL. I don’t care who you are, that’s funny right there.

    #105728
    89BABS
    Participant

    I sense excitement close to that of the release of Maude, season three, on DVD.

    LOL. I don’t care who you are, that’s funny right there.

    Two words …. Adrienne Barbeau

    #105729
    Greywolf
    Participant

    BJD95 wrote:
    We will NEVER “build a wall around” NC, even if that were enough.

    ppp then said:
    Maybe we can convince SC to pay for it. If we cut out the NC recruiting losses to the southern universities, maybe we can compete.

    BJ and ppp, It’s not enough and I don’t believe Doeren thinks it’s enough. We’ve got our recruiter in Florida, McDonald, and that area is rich enough in talent to warrant it’s own recruiter. I can’t put names to the other areas but we seem to be doing very well in Georgia, SC, NC (maybe 2 coaches here), VA and the Northeast. Doeren has midwest connections.

    We can’t say anything other than we are building a wall around NC. It is our home state and the “wall” concept IMO is as much for the HS coaches here and the fans as it is for anything else. What’s he gonna say, “We want the elite athletes who have the character and attitude to fit in here at NC State? Can’t do that.

    Doeren has a vision and a grand plan to fulfill that vision. Inside the grand plan are interim goals that lead towards fulfilling his plan and vision. Interim goals have milestones with specific measures that enable the coaches to see progress and lack of progress.

    We talk about recruiting — a lot. What we don’t talk about are the coaches. Ever wonder why or how we get a George McDonald or Dwayne Ledford or Drinkwitz or Kitchings and those that I know less about to come to NC State where the pay is not fair but not top scale? We don’t have a great football tradition to attract coaches. I can only think of one thing and that is Doeren’s vision and plan and culture he is continuing to build where TOB left off.

    Maybe it’s because I want to believe that I see what I see. I suggest that it has far more to do with what I read about the coaches and what I hear the players say about NC State when they visit. What’s not to like about the education available here at NC State. What’s not to like about the Murphy Center or Carter-Finley or our IPF. They look across the parking lot and see the PNC. Our facilities are not the very best but adequate in the eyes of football recruits. And what we are doing with Reynolds is un precedented on college campuses.

    What’s missing is sufficient football success for elite players to see that they might be the one to push us to the top. The success is only a matter of time — predictably 2017 and maybe 2016. We stumbled in 2015 when Shad then Dayes went out and some of our LB’s and DB’s didn’t get it done. Dayes is back and has excellent back-ups. From what I read and hear the defense has worked hard to put in the correction.

    Well, I’ve worked myself up into a lather. Gotta go take a shower and meet the old geezers I hang out with. There’s girls to ogle at the Mall. The one nice thing about getting old is the wide range of ogliable girls makes the Mall a target rich environment. Even at my age I have sex almost every day. Almost on Monday, almost on Tuesday, almost every day. 😉

    Go Pack!!

    #105730
    Greywolf
    Participant

    One value in having a strangle hold on our home state is walk-ons. The better the walk-on program the better the scout teams. The better the scout teams, the better competition for our Scholarship players. It’s a win/win situation.

    #105731
    YogiNC
    Participant

    I have sex almost every day

    That is hysterical. I’m right there myself Grey, I know EXACTLY what you’re saying. My father in law and I did a lot of the mall visuals in his last 10 years. That just made me miss him even more.

    Two words …. Adrienne Barbeau

    MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. That was one fine woman in her day. Made watching Maude almost tolerable.

    Smarter than the average bear

    #105732
    WolfBlood86
    Participant

    DD has brought in something TOB never did bring in… consistency. (Of course barring the first season) We have beat who we were suppose to beat. The only problem is games that are 50/50 or when we’re the dogs. We have consistently lost those but at least he is consistent! 🙂 It was great beating the FSUs of the world but losing to the Wake Forests of the world the following week. Critical people want to bring up those big wins under TOB while criticizing DD but say nothing about the big losses. I am hoping we breakthrough this year and at least win one of those 50/50 games or better yet when we are the dogs. Give it time. That win will come!

    #105738
    ryebread
    Participant

    Hey, my wife and I have hall sex every day. I walk by my wife in the hall and we both say “screw you.” 😀

    #105741
    YogiNC
    Participant

    THANK YOU for the belly laugh rye! I’ll have to try that sometime. My guess is it’s not very gratifying in the long term though.

    Smarter than the average bear

    #105744
    Greywolf
    Participant

    Hey, my wife and I have hall sex every day. I walk by my wife in the hall and we both say “screw you.” ?

    Yogi,
    Now rye is having sex ‘almost every day.’

    The 3 stages of my first marriage: Great sex, hall sex and no sex.

    #105747
    JaxPackMan
    Participant

    Greetings BJD, Fall is in the air and yet another tropical storm is making aim for Carter-Finley. Good writing about the schedule and outlook on expected outcomes. The team may actually be better this year, but the record won’t show it. Recruiting is the name of the game. Somehow the NC State brand doesn’t sell very well to the 4 and 5 star guys, wish I understood why. With the way the ACC is now unless better players are signed it will sadly remain a record of mediocrity. With regard to your predictions, I would add:
    — ECU has a new coach, but they still have a chip on their shoulder about State. Will be a good game, except most of the country could care less.
    — Wake always wreaks havoc somehow no matter how bad they may be.
    — BC likes to play smash-mouth and I’m not sure State does that very well.
    — Is UNC-CHeat over-rated, or is that my Wolfpacker bias coming through? Would be great to stick it to them.
    — 1/2FSU is loaded (despite how badly you think Jimbo coaches) Not sure State surprises them anymore.
    — Clampsun is on a role. Time for State to beat them again.
    — ‘Canes are angry and they have welcomed home their prodigal son Richt, who has been taking names and kicking guys off the team.
    — Loovall – That freshman QB is still running around with State guys in full pursuit. Did he go pro? God I hope so…
    — SyrupExcuse and State seem to have similar football fortunes, although SYR has a more storied past. In recent years they both have quite a few individual contributors who played on mediocre teams, ending up in 2nd and 3rd tier bowl games. Maybe this could turn into a good series and rivalry.

    All the best to the players and coaches. For all that they put into the game, I hope at least some of their dreams come true.

    Go Pack!

    JaxPackMan
    NCSU class of '76
    Jacksonville, FL

    #105748
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    Sex with the wife…
    hmmm… I can remember that…
    —————–
    of course… it’s now a funny joke between us…

    When haven’t been to the Beach but one afternoon all year?
    “What’s the SECOND Best thing about living 15minutes from the Beach?”

    It used to be that when something R rated came of the TV screen, she’d scream “Turn the Channel”…
    nowadays…. she just laughs…

    and while we’re talking ’bout getting screwed…
    I wonder what the chances are that Ron Cherry is in Carter Stadium tonight?

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #105750
    YogiNC
    Participant

    Someone should pop Ron’s “cherry”… WHAT A BAD PUN!

    One of my favorite sayings of my father in law…
    What I used to do all night now it takes me all night to do… rimshot.

    Smarter than the average bear

    #105751
    tractor57
    Participant

    I guess someone wants Ron’s cherry but not I 🙂

    #105752
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    When haven’t been to the Beach but one afternoon all year?
    “What’s the SECOND Best thing about living 15minutes from the Beach?”

    “… you think it’s no problem to go anytime…. ‘you really want to’….”

    NOT

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #105794
    McCallum
    Participant

    What a pitiful state of affairs when your seasonal analysis ends with analogies to Maude and a sexless married life.

    I’d say this thread has summed up State nicely.

    McCallum

    #105888
    YogiNC
    Participant

    Some levity as game time approached was in order. Kinda like being in the locker room suiting up. You find things to talk about that are distractions. Just sayin’

    Smarter than the average bear

    #106369
    McCallum
    Participant

    Bring on ODU!!!!

    McCallum

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