Leave the ACC. Leave it NOW! [Updated 11:50PM]

There is no fixing this league. There is no gaining respect when your level of play warrants it. It’s broken beyond repair. Somebody will take us. I don’t care who. I just want out of this bush league organization.


Addition by NCStatePride…

When I was at the hardware store the other day I saw a mother with her child.  The child kept reaching for candy at the counter and the mother kept saying no.  It went from the child asking for candy to reaching for candy to taking the candy to opening the candy.  Each time the mother said, “Stop it, sweetie.  Come on, stop it.  I’m serious, stop it.”

NC State has been saying “stop it” for a long time.  We’ve had a lot of discussion here on StateFansNation on the refs and even written article about the obvious/admitted bias of ACC officials towards certain programs.  Personally, when the discussion of leaving the ACC comes up, I feel it’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.  You have a bunch of (mostly) younger fans who have this crazy idea that we should abandon being a ‘basketball school’ and focus on football and construct these elaborate ideas of why playing in the SEC would work.  The problem is that now I’m in a situation where I’m tired of saying “stop it” to the ACC officials and now just want to do something drastic for sh*ts and grins and to make a point.

It’s official, regardless of how good or bad I feel a move to leave the ACC would be, I am officially on-board with leaving the ACC if for no other reason than to send a message that this officiating is complete Bullshit.  Would it cause a dip in our performance?  I think it would.  Would it screw up some of our scheduling and maybe even our bottom line?  I have no clue; there are a lot of variables there.  The one thing I do know is that when NC State and Duke can play at Cameron, have matched defensive efforts (sort of), and NC State out shoot Duke both behind the arc and inside of it and STILL loose because we simply can’t play defense in the second half… I’m done.  I’m taking my ball and leaving.

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1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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149 Responses to Leave the ACC. Leave it NOW! [Updated 11:50PM]

  1. IMFletcherWolf 02/17/2012 at 9:56 AM #

    RegularExpression Says:
    Then in the 2nd half it changed. The refs suddenly decided that they needed to get control of a game that wasn’t out of control. There were 10 fouls called before the first TV timeout

    This is what I don’t get. I understand when some games get super physical and the refs must regain control of the game by calling it tight. This was not the case last night. The teams were not beating each other up, yet the officials decided to call all these ticky-tac fouls in the second half. That killed our aggressiveness.

  2. lonewolf 02/17/2012 at 9:59 AM #

    We lost because we couldnt stop Curry and Rivers at the crucial times we needed to at the end. Even if the officiating was suspect we still had the game in our hands and simply did not respond at crunch time. Yes, foul trouble hurt but when Zo stepped on the in-line at the minute mark it wasnt the refs fault or when we came down with less than 30seconds and passed the ball around until we had to throw up a bad shot. Overall this was a good game for the Pack with a disappointing finish. With our big guns on the bench we needed somebody to step up if we want to win these type of games. Anybody that says we are not in a better position now than in the past dismal years just isnt paying attention. Coach Gott has us moving in the right direction at least.

  3. Hungwolf 02/17/2012 at 10:03 AM #

    REfs did not cost us the game. We only had 3 more fouls called on us than Duke had called on them and the 3 plus are because we had to foul at the end. So really both teams had the same number of fouls called on them.
    Reasons we lost:
    1) 15 turnovers, 5 by Scott Wood alone.
    2) Stupid fouls, Richard Howell got his fifth foul 30 feet from the basket, reaching in and bumbing the ball handler. Duh?
    3) We quit attacking the basket in the second half settling for jump shots.
    4) Scott Wood 1-7 shooting, missed 3 free throws. Once again against a ranked team he is a liability.
    5) duke came back making 3s, I don’t think we made a 3 in the second half.
    6) Brown was awesome in first half and early part of second half. Clearly he fells real comfortable going to the basket with CJ leslie in the game. Latter part of second half he didn’t drive the to the basket.
    7) Fouls become more apparent to our team, because we have no bench. Although AJ played a great game last night. Duke’s fouls were spread out over more players.
    8) the kids got rattled and lost their focus. Game still winnable and Brown just steps out of bounds. Little things like that lose ball games.

    Refs didn’t cost us the game. They didn’t shoot a single shot. Curry shot right over AJ, with our best perimeter defender CJ on the bench most of the second half with 4 fouls Duke took advantage.

  4. WolfBreed 02/17/2012 at 10:08 AM #

    With you 100% on leaving the ACC for the SEC. We need to contact Yow, and get this thing seriously rolling. Either that or she needs to actuallly do something substantive about the blatant biased “officiating” that props up UNC-CHeat and Dook. This $hit has gone on WAY too long, and I don’t know how much longer it can continue. Last night’s game was the most infuriated I have been in watching 14 years of Wolfpack Basketball. It is destroying the league for basketball. Why would good coaches and players want to come to the non-blue ACC schools to play basketball when the game/system is rigged against them? And fan interest at non-blue schools is dying as a result. F*c& swofford, F*c% UNC-CHeat/Dook homer officials, and F*c% this version of the ACC.

    Also, btw, this a great website/forum. Some of the other forums around would lock and not allow this kind of discussion. So kudos to the site admins for a forum where fans can come and truly speek their minds and vent.

  5. moreforw 02/17/2012 at 10:09 AM #

    Could someone highlight all the bad calls from this game in a short YOU TUBE video for State fans to post on facebook, Twitter, and everywhere else in the world we can think of? Seems like we could expose this.

  6. WolfBlood 02/17/2012 at 10:18 AM #

    Did we get screwed by the Zebras? Maybe. The biggest reason we lost is because the talent drop off from starters to bench players is drastic. Sure its hard to win when your guys get in foul trouble, but the class coming in next year will do wonders for our depth issues. Cant complain too long….gotta get focused for Saturday.

    And take our frustrations out on FSU. Make everyone in the ACC see that all you did was piss us off and now we’re gonna whip your ass.

  7. LifeLongWolf 02/17/2012 at 10:21 AM #

    As much as I hate to admit it, Hungwolf is 100% correct. Refs made it a little harder on us, but we still lost due to our own mistakes. Great game by our guys, they’ll learn. I’m not as depressed as I would have been last year, because I see improvement after every game.

    I want me a black jersey like those last night. Awesome!

    “expose this” ??? Huh? Search ‘duke flop’ on youtube. Exposure is not a problem.

  8. Tau837 02/17/2012 at 10:26 AM #

    Observation on judging officiating:

    All fouls are not equivalent.

    People keep saying State only had 3 more fouls than Duke, but that is not the whole story. It matters which players get the fouls and when.

    C.J. Williams only played 12 minutes last night. He would likely have played 35 if not for the foul trouble. His fouls changed the entire game. His absence hurt us on offense, particularly down the stretch when we were struggling to score, and it hurt us on defense, as Rivers and Curry went off to lead the comeback.

    And the timing of the fourth fouls on Williams, Howell, and Leslie meant that the majority of Duke’s comeback occurred with at least 2 of them on the bench.

    I agree that we still could/should have won the game, but the officiating was the single biggest reason we lost.

  9. wolffpride 02/17/2012 at 10:36 AM #

    I can’t stand the ref bias either. But regardless, we still had a chance to win this game in the end, and came up short. We are very close to being a dangerous team, even with our seven man rotation. When you go into Cameron and play like that then you know we are a high caliber squad. If the game hadnt become a foulfest in the second half, then we would have looked like Ohio State against them. We just need some depth. Next year we should be dominant, let them call the fouls, we will have bodies to throw at the refs next year. Not just bodies, but talented bodies. The season isn’t over yet, we need to man handle FSU. and I am still hoping for a miracle against UNC. Maybe we should try voodoo?

  10. NCStatePride 02/17/2012 at 10:48 AM #

    All HungWolf did was prove my point. Those who argue that officiating isn’t a problem are going to do as indepth an analysis as your average dumb-sh*t ESPN announcer and just look at the box score.

    “Well, duh-huh-huh, look at the TOTALS!!! I mean Ceeeeeeerlina State only had 3 for fouls, a-duh-huh-huh-huh! LEADER IN SPORTS ANALYSIS!”

    The box score isn’t, and has never been blamed for being, the main problem. The box score doesn’t reflect “tight” and “loose” officiating and when various touch fouls were called or not called. THAT is not in the box score and THAT is why the brain-children who judge 100% of their knowledge off the stat sheet don’t “get” the frustration.

    BJD95 hit the nail on the head…
    “The calls don’t have to be one-sided (they weren’t, for the most part) to deliberately skew the game. The pattern of “tight vs loose” whistles were clearly and deliberately designed to favor Duke. And not the least bit consistent or logical over the flow of game.”

  11. Rick 02/17/2012 at 10:48 AM #

    “We lost because we couldnt stop Curry and Rivers at the crucial times we needed to at the end.”

    Anyone who watched the game and says this knows nothing about basketball. How can you play defense when your entire team is in foul trouble?

  12. tobaccordshow 02/17/2012 at 11:02 AM #

    ^ Those saying this didn’t watch the game. Read my post “Silver Lining”. It’s easy to simply look at the stat sheet and say “oh look at that! An evenly called game!”

  13. ncsu1987 02/17/2012 at 11:03 AM #

    Watch the video. Take any random Duke offensive sequence from last night, focus on any Plumlee in the game, run that tape side by side with the two offensive foul calls against Calvin during the 2nd half of the Virginia game and dare to tell me there’s not a bias.

  14. Lumpy 02/17/2012 at 11:30 AM #

    Duke players go through more theatrics during a game than a 13 year old girl that just broke up with her boyfriend. It’s disgusting. Rivers trips in the lane. But as long as he hurls the ball in the air and acts like he is about to lose a leg, whistle on us. Seth Curry fell so hard with no one around him on a fall away 3 that I thought there was a sniper in the stands. To the refs credit, no call, but Duke’s bench jumps up in protest like Scott Wood had a knife. Later on when the defender is a little closer and Curry flops again, sure foul.
    The first 3 minutes of the second half were laughable. And, unfortunately, completely predictable. Duke acts like they were getting mugged in the first half, so the refs react in the second like they were. No other teams play like that. Carolina may get favorable calls, but at least they don’t hit the floor on both sides of the court begging for whistles with over the top hysterics that would make a real housewife blush. Well played. Pu$$ies.

  15. jpack 02/17/2012 at 11:32 AM #

    While I thought the officiating was horrible and somewhat biased, I have to agree with lonewolf and Hungwolf. In addition, it looked like we reverted to old bad habits during the last minute with Lo stepping out of bounds (how does that happen when you are in control and not being pressured) and then dribbling the air out of the ball before jacking up an ill-advised 3 at the end. On another note…paging Scott Wood, your man just scored again.

  16. LifeLongWolf 02/17/2012 at 11:33 AM #

    I’m not saying there isn’t bias. There clearly IS bias. I agree, the Plums are fouling machines, yet never get called for it.

    But the fact remains that at the end of the game, we still could have won it if WE had played better. Did the calls influence the game? 100%-yes. Makes me wanna puke. But we still should have won, and we have only ourselves to blame. By the same token, we have only ourselves to congratulate for outplaying them (Dook + refs) for so long (until we collapsed at the end).

    Like I said, I have hope for the future, something I haven’t had in a looooooong time.

  17. pack76 02/17/2012 at 12:39 PM #

    There is definitely a bias and has been for some time. It must be coming from the Commissioner’s office. How else can the refs get away with this. There needs to be an investigation into game fixing by the ACC refs and how it connects with the Commissioner’s office. It’s so obvious!!!

  18. old13 02/17/2012 at 1:25 PM #

    OK First things first – which one of you is going to contribute the $20M for the exit fee?

  19. JSRy2k 02/17/2012 at 5:35 PM #

    Howell, for one, gets NO pity. Last foul was 40 feet from the basket, he had a shoulder-down charge, I believe 2 ticky-tack reach-ins, and 1 legit going for a block foul. He’s the dumbest big man with his fouls I’ve ever seen!

  20. JSRy2k 02/17/2012 at 5:39 PM #

    Statefansnation, this is the one complaint I have against you: your obsession with officiating. If you were a coach, you would be so focused on what others control (officiating, other team) that your failure to focus on what you control (yourselves) would drive your team into a downward spiral of passing the buck and blameshifting, which is no recipe for success in any area of life.

  21. Pack84 02/17/2012 at 6:56 PM #

    I’m still pissed about this bullshit. I’m fairly certain if I was in Gott’s position I would have started the post-game presser like this:

    “Not gonna talk about the officiating tonight, If I do it will cost me money so I’m not talking about it. I’d LIKE to talk about it but I can’t. So don’t ask me any questions about it because I can’t talk about it. So, any of you guys have any questions about the game besides the officiating, because I can’t talk about that?”

    Basically daring The Swoff to fine him for not discussing his (The Swoff’s) crooked empire.

    I’ve had it with this damn blue belly joke of a conference.

  22. mak4dpak 02/17/2012 at 10:47 PM #

    I didn’t get overly excited about us leading most of the game, because I unfortunately was waiting to see what we would do to lose the game. Yes, we didn’t play smart at crunch time, but then alot of the ones playing don’t play enough to know what to do. We, as others have said, lack depth after the starting five. Our front line players were taking it to Duke, but then the refs changed that with all the excessive fouls called, so our hands were tied, and not able to be agressive. So what if some of the fouls were legit, then why weren’t the legit fouls called on Duke. They were getting by with their fouls. Call the game fairly, and we aren’t on here complaining about the game, but bragging on a State win. So hopefully the team will be pissed the next 2 home games and take it to FSU, UNX. We can do it. but we have to get this Duke loss out of our head, and move on. Go Pack!

  23. JohnGalt78 02/18/2012 at 9:50 AM #

    Don’t know about zebras selecting out a team or a particular player for heightened scrutiny…..but what I did notice was that, collectively, they dramatically changed the way they were calling the game from the first half to the second. Being paranoid, I imagined a Puke coach having a half time discussion with the officials. May be, may be not. But whatever, Puke adjusted and we didn’t. We were surprised by the change. Puke didn’t seem to be. Remember Gott going nuts on the sideline….you could read his lips….”what’s going on?”

  24. Rick 02/18/2012 at 10:01 AM #

    “Statefansnation, this is the one complaint I have against you: your obsession with officiating. If you were a coach, you would be so focused on what others control ”

    A couple of points
    1) SFN is a group of authors who each write on what each one would like to write about. There is no direction given on what to write or how to write it. In fact many of us disagree with each other on topics.
    2) We are NOT the coach and we like to discuss things that effect NCSU. And whether you agree or not, the officiating Thursday night did effect the game. If you do not like the topic of officiating there are many others such as the incredibly detailed and informative daily news run that Jig does nearly every day. Thank you for your participation on the site. http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2012/02/18/gameday-headlines-pack-vs-noles/

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