The Symmetry of Loserdom

I remember sitting in Carter-Finley on Philip Rivers’ Senior Day. State was choking against Maryland, and with under three minutes to play, the Terps missed what would have been the game tying extra point. I swear to God, I turned immediately to my family and said “Great, now we will lose in regulation.” Which we most certainly did.

State went on to beat a comically inept Kansas team in a meaningless minor bowl game, but what could have been a special (or at least very good) season had slipped away. And that was pretty much it for the Chuck Amato era. The window had slammed shut, and nothing epitomized the floundering to come better than that game against Maryland.

Flash forward to today. A game with the Atlantic Division title on the line for the Pack. A game that we only needed to win because of Tom O’Brien’s inexplicable decision to punt late against Clemson (after numerous blown opportunities to put the Tiggers away). A mediocre opponent with nothing to play for, whose spirit should have been crushed after finding themselves in an early 14-0 hole.

Of course our sphincters slammed shut. Of course we spit the bit. Of course we allowed Maryland to go on a 38-3 run and win the game. Of course we pissed away a “once in a generation” opportunity for a special season. We are NC State. That’s just how we roll.

Tom O’Brien proved his skeptics right. He can’t win the big one. He does get tight in pressure situations. He is a “football Sendek.” At least he probably won’t get a parade for matching Amato’s high water mark (5-3 in conference play). We’ve learned that much from past experience, one would hope.

Just like that chilly fall afternoon when Rivers threw his last home pass – Russell Wilson threw his last ACC pass today. And just like I strongly felt then, I feel it now – the window has slammed shut. It’s not going to happen for NC State under Tom O’Brien. Unless the “it” you are looking for is an 8-win season and a minor bowl bid. Blech.

About BJD95

1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

'10 Football ACC Chuck Amato Tom O'Brien

185 Responses to The Symmetry of Loserdom

  1. MrPlywood 11/28/2010 at 5:03 AM #

    Would it be heresy to say that I’m hoping that RW does not come back? Almost every play today felt like a scramble, while over on the Terp side things seemed under control, even when the QB left the pocket. I’m a Green Bay fan, and having lived and died with Favre I see many similarities between the two. Yeah, the guy has a knack for pulling wins out of nowhere, but he can also make maddening mistakes. RW has been out of sync more than he’s been on this season, IMHO.

    That said, the play calling today was very suspect. The three pass plays at the end of the 1st half that resulted in giving the ball back to MD had me baffled. We seemed to keep going back to plays that failed – the long chucks downfield – while MD kept going to what worked, that Smith dude. Ugh…

    Anyway, I stuck to my guns and watched the whole game. They almost pulled one out of their collective asses. The horrible spot at the end was poetic justice…

  2. wbnation 11/28/2010 at 5:32 AM #

    I think TOB retires before the years out. I think he knows this was his ceiling and what a better way to go out than to leave while you have your best season. He knows he has nothing coming in next year and if not for Wilson and the one man recking crew on defense, both whom will be gone next year, I think Tom will decide to give it up a couple of years before he was going too.

  3. 44fan 11/28/2010 at 7:04 AM #

    Danny O’Brian had career-high 417 yards. Torrey Smith had career-high 227 yards receiving. First Maryland player in history to score 4 touchdowns in one game. THAT IS YOUR GAME. ONE wide receiver and I never saw him double covered. Tom O’Brian let one Maryland player beat us and he never tried to adjust for that player. With that lack of effort I saw today, I am not going to any Bowl game. I don’t care if they play it in my backyard.

  4. tuckerdorm1983 11/28/2010 at 8:27 AM #

    Maybe we will play at 9 AM a couple of days before christmas.
    I see West VA or Southern Miss or maybe play Navy in Washington D.C. My friend thinks we will head south somewhere to play Florida or Mississippi State

  5. Rick 11/28/2010 at 8:35 AM #

    “I, and maybe I’m the only one, think this coaching staff is better than any coaching staff since I’ve been a fan at making game-time adjustments”

    We lead 14-0 and then get outscored 38-3
    That is one staff adjusting and one not.
    Take a guess which is which

  6. jrsr 11/28/2010 at 8:37 AM #

    Very good season after last season. We will get a good bowl game, hopefully in Charlotte.
    Obrian is running a good clean program and more kids are graduating.
    Lets win the bowl game, GO PACK!!!

  7. tuckerdorm1983 11/28/2010 at 8:41 AM #

    we play USF in charlotte?

  8. Avid109 11/28/2010 at 8:44 AM #

    I wonder why so many fans are okay with what has happened this year. The more I think about it, the more angry I get. BJD95 is right, the door of opportunity was open for this team, and they STILL could not walk through it.

    We haven’t won an ACC football championship in 31 years! Will we win one next year? Nope. People say that Debbie Yow is going to change things. I seriously doubt it. Our athletics department wants us to keep sending in money, but they aren’t trying to win championships. The situation is the same with our basketball program. It’s all one big black hole that we’ve been foolish enough to throw our money into.

  9. BJD95 11/28/2010 at 9:05 AM #

    Here’s Luke DeCock this morning, summarizing what this feels like to me (in less dramatic fashion, since he’s just doing his job, without the rooting interest of a fan):

    Yet with every fond memory, they’ll feel a twinge of what might have been, a good season that was so close to being great, the pain entirely self-inflicted.

    Full article: http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/11/28/829912/memories-of-what-could-have-been.html#ixzz16aD3M3uO

  10. Rick 11/28/2010 at 9:20 AM #

    TOB’s quote
    “Asked to assess the mood in the locker room, Wolfpack coach Tom O’Brien said, “They’re really crushed. I don’t think they fully comprehend what a great year they’ve really had, when you look at eight wins, the history of our school and how many times it’s been done.”

    Tells me all I need to know

  11. BJD95 11/28/2010 at 9:23 AM #

    You can’t say with confidence that a chance this good will ever come around again. Remember 1986, when we lost the ACC on the road at 2-7 Virginia – a loss totally due to the injury to Erik Kramer? That was the closest we ever came under Dick Sheridan (thanks to the entry of Florida State), and the closest we came until 2010. That was twenty-four years ago.

    Unlike 1986, it wasn’t an untimely bad break to our one irreplaceable player. It was a series of self-inflicted gunshot wounds. And it hurts like hell. I don’t know how anyone can feel good about it, although you would think I would be better conditioned to losing by now.

    Part of the agony is also how strongly I believed that Tom O’Brien was the right guy to navigate us through an opportunity like this. Because we knew when he was hired that he wasn’t going to be the overwhelming recruiter type. And yes, I still do maintain that a coach/leader type is the only real path to success for NC State football.

    Perhaps part of the pain is also knowing that our four best players, and both our spritual leaders, are gone next season. Regardless of the number of freshmen and sophomores in the two deep, that’s the key – and those holes will be hard to fill.

    Another part is seeing that Florida State just might finally be pulling their collective head out of their collective rear end. 6-2 might never be good enough again. It was barely good enough in 2010.

    We had a great opportunity, and it slipped through our fingers. Which is why one should focus on today – because tomorrow never comes.

  12. rawolf 11/28/2010 at 9:25 AM #

    Well after all thing are said and done I am so glad I quit watching State football and basketball last year, cause from what I am reading here N.C. State is middle of the road forever and ever. I guess AD will say just wait its going to come around. I will say when it does I will start giving money again. The sad life of a NC State Fan. 25 years of this Crap.

  13. BJD95 11/28/2010 at 9:37 AM #

    Rick, I didn’t like that either. With the season over, I can understand wanting to make the players feel better.

    But it really seems like the players had the right frame of mind to me. They were thinking like champions, and the opportunity that was lost. Embrace that, so hopefully – in the unlikely event that we get another shot – everyone will remember the feeling and do everything in their power to make sure it doesn’t repeat.

    Because 8-4 (5-3) isn’t great. It is GOOD – but not great. Greatness slipped away yesterday afternoon.

  14. MattN 11/28/2010 at 9:39 AM #

    What we saw yesterday is *exactly* what BC fans warned us about 4 years ago.

  15. gtspack 11/28/2010 at 9:42 AM #

    TOB has got to step it up recruiting. That’s where our shortcomings are coming from on the field. VT, Clemson,and Maryland have better atheletes than we do. No excuse for ECU. I think TOB can get the most out of what he has. That being said recruiting is half of coaching. Everyone can remeber how talented we were with Amato, but we would have 5 false starts on a single drive.

    Let’s hope that the NCAA will lay the smackdown on Butch and the holes. We should move back on top of the state recruiting food chart. We have had a lot more face time on TV this year which should help recruiting. I think next years team will be even better. Let win a bowl game!!!

  16. RegularExpression 11/28/2010 at 9:44 AM #

    A couple points:
    You don’t get a game from the ACC title game without winning some big ones. FSU and UNC were both MUST wins for us to stay in contention and we won them both. The fact that we lost a must win to Maryland doesn’t mean that this coaching staff can’t win the big win any more than the wins over FSU and UNC were proof that they are championship coaches.

    We didn’t play this game not to lose. It seemed to be normal game plan but there were tons of dropped passes and alligator arms that cost us. Credit Maryland’s physical play for that.

    Since 1993 and the end of Dick Sheridan era, how many 5 win ACC seasons have we had? If you think this season was average, you may be surprised by the number.

  17. Wulfpack 11/28/2010 at 9:45 AM #

    That is indeed a disgusting quote from TOB.

    One day later, what I am most pissed about is all we needed was to hold on to the giant lead against VT, or convert 4th and 1 against Clemson, or not take the foot off the gas after a 14-0 lead on Maryland. If just one of these were to occur, we’d be playing in Charlotte next week with a legitimate chance to elevate the program. Instead, we’re also-rans.

  18. Pack1998 11/28/2010 at 9:47 AM #

    Wait a sec . . . by reading the post and all the comments you would think we had a losing season.

    Where is the acknowledgement that a team that was picked 2nd to last in the ACC, a team that most of thought the high side of wins was 5, maybe 6, ended up winning 8 games and has a chance to win 9 total for the year.

    I remember the Amato / Rivers year. In hindsight it is hard to believe Rivers never won an ACC, but Amato lost coaches and couldn’t create any consistency. And he lost a huge opportunity on QB recruiting and could never put in a QB capabable of playing Division 1 football. Just think of what could have been if Chris Leak choose State, instead of us giving the scholarship to Stone early.

    Regarding 1986, post that years it was all thrown sideways due to FSU’s entry. And lets remember Sheridan left. If Sheridan stuck through it, we’d probably have played for an ACC title at some point because Sheridan was a good coach, better than O’Cain and more consistent than Amato.

    Now, it is 2010 and we finished 8-4, much better than we expected. We have a ton of players coming back, potentially even Russell Wilson. We have a strong QB in the waiting with Glennon. Tom O’Brien, once he gets his program stablized with the right players, has shown and ability to compete at a high level each year because that is what he did at BC. I’ll take where we are right now. Crazy things happen, like the Clemson game which was a series of debacles, and even after the punt decision we had a drive to win. Last night versus Maryland shows things happen, with dropped passes, missed pass interference calls, and to end it all a bad spot for their last possession.

    But . . . I truly believe this teams competes year in / year out for the top spot in the Atlantic Division going forward. The pieces are in place . .. AND REMEMBER, 8-4 is better than we expeted. And now we can expect to compete for the Title.

    Oh yea . . . and we beat UNC!!!

  19. BJD95 11/28/2010 at 9:47 AM #

    The entire premise of TOB coming here was that he would be able to have better athletes than at Boston College, and that would tip the balance and get him over the championship hump. But he was never going to morph into a great recruiter. And he’s not the kind of coach that should need elite talent to get over the top – just a better baseline than he had at BC.

  20. Plz2BStateFan 11/28/2010 at 9:48 AM #

    So, we go from bottom of the barrel to upper half of the barrel.

    8, maybe 9 win season.

    Am I the only one who thinks that you need a couple 8, 9 win seasons before your program should be expected to win the ACCCG?

    Lets not kid ourselves, without Baker and Brown, our offense just wasn’t as good this year as lasts. We wouldn’t have won in Charlotte. We should have lost in Chapel Hill. We did more than anyone thought.

    We need to get deeper. Build up the program more.

    Look at the QB’s that the ACC is losing.

    FSU: Ponder
    VT: Tyrod Taylor
    NCSU: Wilson
    UNC: Yates
    Clemson: Parker
    GT: Nesbit

    And I am pretty sure NCSU has the best backup QB in the ACC.

    The future is bright at NC State. Unless you consider any season a waste unless you win the ACCCG.

    PS: I hate playing Maryland and Clemson. Those games are never easy.

  21. BJD95 11/28/2010 at 9:56 AM #

    Expectations were low because of how bad we played last year. That’s not a good argument, saying we deserve credit for digging out of the hole we dug for ourselves. It should be evaluated based on it being Tom O’Brien’s fourth season here.

    I said before the season that 7-5 was the bare minimum threshhold for success. We exceeded that by one game. That is a GOOD result (I didn’t say average), but NOT GREAT. My issue is with people (TOB included) acting or saying that it is great.

    And of course, the raw magnitude of the opportunity we had for something special. I hope it comes around again. But it may not. And TOB doesn’t have much time left. Once he retires, we very well could make another cringeworthy hire. And the current generation will have their 1986, and maybe have to wait another quarter century for the opportunity train to ride back into town.

  22. BJD95 11/28/2010 at 10:01 AM #

    Sure, in a normal year, you would expect it to be a multi-step process. But when the opportunity comes (even if it’s early) you have to seize it. And if it’s taken from you by a better opponent, you shake his hand and move on. But when you shoot yourself in the foot (or in our case, both feet – the first was at Clemson), ugh. Just ugh. It sucks.

  23. moose8865 11/28/2010 at 10:12 AM #

    Rick’s comment above on what TOB said in his press conference is right.

    TOB’s quote
    “Asked to assess the mood in the locker room, Wolfpack coach Tom O’Brien said, “They’re really crushed. I don’t think they fully comprehend what a great year they’ve really had, when you look at eight wins, the history of our school and how many times it’s been done.”

    This one comment from TOB sums it up on why we will never win a championship under him. And the reason BC fans are glad he’s gone. BC won 7 games this year and they sucked, we would not have won 4 games with this BC team and TOB coaching them. He is very content to coach out his remaining years and get 6, 7, or 8 wins and retire and hand over the team to Bible. We need to stop that before it gets to far, like Miami did with Shannon

  24. theTHRILL 11/28/2010 at 10:30 AM #

    Just think, we hafta go through all this again next year.

  25. Daily Update 11/28/2010 at 10:31 AM #

    I haven’t read the thread and only skimmed the original entry. Yesterday’s game didn’t prove anything about TOB. It was a coin toss game and the opposing QB was incredible all day. I knew the eventual meltdown would/will be ugly.

    Unfortunately, the football program was a complete rebuilding job when TOB was hired. It appears the program has been rebuilt and hopefully we are now positioned to have 7+ win seasons going forward which should have us in contention in the Atlantic almost every year. That is about as good as you can expect at NC State and eventually being in contention will translate to winning the division and then maybe an ACC title.

    BC’s program has regressed since TOB left, so it isn’t like TOB was underachieving at BC. He built one of the top programs in the conference. I wondered going into the year if he was going to be able to get that done at NC State. This year’s results prove he is on track. I

Leave a Reply