The Symmetry of Loserdom

I remember sitting in Carter-Finley on Philip Rivers’ Senior Day. State was choking against Maryland, and with under three minutes to play, the Terps missed what would have been the game tying extra point. I swear to God, I turned immediately to my family and said “Great, now we will lose in regulation.” Which we most certainly did.

State went on to beat a comically inept Kansas team in a meaningless minor bowl game, but what could have been a special (or at least very good) season had slipped away. And that was pretty much it for the Chuck Amato era. The window had slammed shut, and nothing epitomized the floundering to come better than that game against Maryland.

Flash forward to today. A game with the Atlantic Division title on the line for the Pack. A game that we only needed to win because of Tom O’Brien’s inexplicable decision to punt late against Clemson (after numerous blown opportunities to put the Tiggers away). A mediocre opponent with nothing to play for, whose spirit should have been crushed after finding themselves in an early 14-0 hole.

Of course our sphincters slammed shut. Of course we spit the bit. Of course we allowed Maryland to go on a 38-3 run and win the game. Of course we pissed away a “once in a generation” opportunity for a special season. We are NC State. That’s just how we roll.

Tom O’Brien proved his skeptics right. He can’t win the big one. He does get tight in pressure situations. He is a “football Sendek.” At least he probably won’t get a parade for matching Amato’s high water mark (5-3 in conference play). We’ve learned that much from past experience, one would hope.

Just like that chilly fall afternoon when Rivers threw his last home pass – Russell Wilson threw his last ACC pass today. And just like I strongly felt then, I feel it now – the window has slammed shut. It’s not going to happen for NC State under Tom O’Brien. Unless the “it” you are looking for is an 8-win season and a minor bowl bid. Blech.

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1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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185 Responses to The Symmetry of Loserdom

  1. BJD95 11/27/2010 at 11:06 PM #

    Yeah Lee, I feel much the same way.

  2. spudmarsh 11/27/2010 at 11:07 PM #

    I’ll take TOB over Butch any day, any year, any time. This has been a great year. Better than any of us anticipated. Of course we want and expect better, but I do not think he is a football version of Herb.

  3. wvillepack 11/27/2010 at 11:14 PM #

    TOB is an above average coach. If he can recruit top talent he can get us to the next level. If not…then we will stay average. I think TOB won more games with this team than most coaches would have. Like I said before, my only complaint is keeping RW in the pocket too much. He is too short. RW is the type of player who could run for 100yds per game and throw for 250 yds. Just think about this team with one nfl caliber DE, DB and WR. Can you imagine this team with the D UNC should have had this year??? We need Amato back to the staff for recruiting. He could bring them in and TOB could keep them straight.

  4. packalum08 11/27/2010 at 11:15 PM #

    Maybe it’s because I’m young and/or naive, but I’m not ready to sign off on the TOB era. We made marked improvement this year compared to years past. Now its time to see if we can continue to build and improve further.

    Will we? I don’t know. But I do trust Debbie Yow to make a good decision in this regard, one way or another.

  5. blpack 11/27/2010 at 11:16 PM #

    Disappointing loss again to the Terps. They have our number. So does Clemson. I think we are close, but that may have to do with our conf. We should be better next year, but we don’t know how good Glennon will be. I am also concerned about recruiting. Yeah, UNC pays players, but we should be doing better with our experienced staff and fah-sil-ities. Right? Onto Orlando or Charlotte in late Dec.

  6. wvillepack 11/27/2010 at 11:18 PM #

    It will not be easy for TOB. If Butch stays at UNC, he will continue to kick our butts recruiting. A couple of years of that and he will unc will dominate us. Maybe the winning seasons will help his recruiting. Hard to recruit to a team that has multiple losing seasons.

  7. backnine 11/27/2010 at 11:31 PM #

    We didn’t have to win the championship next week to have a major positive effect on our program. We simply had to get there. That, coupled with the likely coming sanctions at UNC, would have been enough to provide the spark this program needs under TOB. We would have been set up perfectly to take advantage of any recruiting hurdles that landed on UNC from their scandal. We would have had buzz and excitement….real evidence that we were ready to break through.

    Now, even with a solid 8-4 season, we look more like a program who chokes and can’t walk through the door of opportunity even when its wide open for us. We invent ways to self-destruct and avoid success.

    I look into the future and what excites my frustration most of all is that even if UNC does get hammered, are we really in a position to seize the opportunity it presents us? After loosing that game today the answer to that question is murky at best.

  8. leewolf 11/27/2010 at 11:33 PM #

    Next year’s schedule is going to be interesting.

    Liberty, South Alabama, Central Michigan and @ Cincinnati. No excuse to lose any of those games frankly.

    Clemson, Georgia Tech, Maryland, and North Carolina at home. Boston College, Florida State, Virginia, and Wake Forest on the road.

    Just on the face of it, we get four of the five most difficult games at home (FSU being the roadie that I would be most worried about).

    It’ll be tough to do it, but you have to admit that given the 8 teams we are playing, that is about as favorable a setup as you could ask for, not knowing the order of the games yet. With the weak OOC, TOB & Co. only need 4 league wins to get to 8 wins. That is probably doable.

    I’m not skipping past the bowl etc, just looking at how the schedule sets up for TOB to get to 8 wins and keep clicking along with what he does.

  9. Rick 11/27/2010 at 11:44 PM #

    “TOB is an above average coach. If he can recruit top talent he can get us to the next level”

    How can you call a man who has finished last, last, next to last and third in his division an “above average coach”? I would struggle to call him average.

  10. BJD95 11/27/2010 at 11:44 PM #

    And it will be even more frustrateing when we go 4-4 or 5-3 against that setup, laying eggs along the way.

  11. leewolf 11/27/2010 at 11:55 PM #

    I can see it now. Wins over UNC and UMD at home, losses to GT and Clemson. Wins on the road over Wake and BC, an inexplicable loss to UVA, a shellacking at the hands of the Noles.

    Ho-hum and on we go.

  12. moose8865 11/27/2010 at 11:59 PM #

    Miami just fired Randy Shannon. Just told that on the ok- okstate game

  13. wolfy85 11/27/2010 at 11:59 PM #

    A lot of very good points made by many of you here. I’m not sure who or how many Wolfpack fans thought this game was a formality, I personally feared the inevitable flat/lifeless effort that we saw today. The same effort that followed every decent game we played this year that propelled us into the top 25.

    I personally like TOB’s professionalism and his discipline, but hate just about everything else. We are never prepared, never hyped, and are terribly inconsistent. But as said earlier, the coaches who do those things are going to the SEC/Big12/Big10. We will probably never see one here at NC State.

    Still i was expecting an under .500 season, so 8-4 is somehow progress. However, it’s hard to see progress or anything good coming in the future when we had a shot at the ACC Championship today and played most of the game with no passion and desire. IMO that is a coaching problem, something no amount of facilities improvements or better recruiting will be able to fix.

  14. BJD95 11/28/2010 at 12:03 AM #

    GT is amazingly still alive, after letting UGA score to go up 8 (and the Dawgs being too stupid to take a knee instead). Wow.

  15. Archdale Pack Fan 11/28/2010 at 12:06 AM #

    I am just as disappointed as the rest of you. However, I remember before the swason started, most people thought we would be 4-8 (worst case) to 7-5 (best case) We went 8-4 with virtually no running game and a defense that has 1 great player, a few good players, and a terrible secondary which Maryland exploited today. Next year will be a better indication of where we stand. Yes I wanted to play for an ACC championship, but all is not lost. It was still a good season, and 4 in a row over the Holes is sweet.

  16. moose8865 11/28/2010 at 12:07 AM #

    I have a feeling the acc is going to be seeing alot of VT-FSU championship games in the future. We should have got Jimbo before FSU gor him.

  17. BJD95 11/28/2010 at 12:08 AM #

    It would make me feel better if the Holes got a major probation and Butch went back to Miami. I would laugh my ass off for a week or two solid.

  18. cWOhLFrPAiCKs 11/28/2010 at 12:13 AM #

    This team had already overachieved after it became bowl eligible (by many peoples’ standards) and yet here we are at the end of the season, with one more loss than we could have to make it to the ACC Championship game, and some people are already bashing O’Brien and this team? Did they play like crap today? Yes. Did they let a special opportunity slip by? Absolutely. Is it the end of Wolfpack Football? Obviously not. So, once again, RELAX! It’s football! We got to watch a great team play a great season and we still have ONE MORE GAME TO PLAY!

    Why can’t we ever just enjoy where we are instead of always wanting to be where we are not?

  19. BJD95 11/28/2010 at 12:15 AM #

    Fellow Charlie Brown Oklahoma State just shat the bed in very dramatic fashion. They are doing it against their archrival. Ouch.

  20. wufpup76 11/28/2010 at 12:16 AM #

    ^That would be one thing that could make me feel bettder. (Holes / Butch).

    It looked like Oklahoma / Ok St. were headed to an exciting ending, but Oklahoma just scored on about an 88 yard scoring strike on 3rd and 12 … that makes the game 40-31.

    It seemed very much like something NCSU would do … oh – and if Ok St. were to win they would advance to their first Big 12 title game. Hmmmm.

  21. wufpup76 11/28/2010 at 12:17 AM #

    Holy Cow … Ok St. just ran the kicoff back.

    If you’re not watching this game, turn it there now (ABC).

  22. backnine 11/28/2010 at 12:18 AM #

    Whatever Bowl game we land in now seems anti-climatic following today’s debacle. That’s especially true since the ACC really dosen’t have any meaningful bowl games anymore after the Orange and Peach. Iowa lost today to finish 4-4 (7-5 overall) in the big-10 and will at worst land in the Gator bowl on New Years day. Meanwhile, the ACC dosen’t even have a New Years Day bowl game anymore. Our best non-BCS bowl option is the same option they hand out to a middle-of-the-pack SEC team. The entire bowl season for our conference is garbage. For me the season ended today. Thanks Swofford. I’m on to basketball. Get well soon Tracy!!

  23. BJD95 11/28/2010 at 12:18 AM #

    It’s not the “end” – just a continuation of what we have always been. Charlie Brown U.

    5-3 in ACC is by no means great. Unless you operate by Vanderbilt standards, under Vanderbilt conditions. In Vanderbilt’s conference.

  24. BJD95 11/28/2010 at 12:20 AM #

    Before the 88-yard TD pass, Okie State dropped an easy pick at midfield.

  25. wufpup76 11/28/2010 at 12:23 AM #

    What the hell did they put in the water down in Oklahoma today?

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