Many In Wolfpack Nation Are Saying They’ve Had Enough

To say that Wolfpack Nation is seething mad tonight would be akin to calling the eruption of Mount St. Helen’s in 1980 a loud bang.

It simply doesn’t begin to cover it.  This is not about losing a game in the first round of the ACC Tournament, not even the fact that it is the second year in a row.  This is a loud yell of disgust directed towards what they perceive as over twenty years of collective incompentence not only in men’s basketball but across the board in the executive offices in Brown-Weiseger.

This time, “wait until next year” won’t work.

These are the things being said tonight:

“I’ll be on the phone with the Wolfpack Club tomorrow. If Lee Fowler is going to be around much longer, my 2009 “red white and you” payment just split in half. They will know why.”

and

“At this point, I do not think I will purchase tickets [for basketball] next year. This will be the first time in a long time.

“I’m tired of spending my money which by doing so just enables Lee to stay in the black and keep his job. I’m tired of “sell outs” and thousands upon thousands of empty seats.”

and

“If anyone can look at the performance of Fowler’s hires and defend him, then I would like to meet them and have a conversation. I’m sure the only way they’d be able to do it is with a discussion about being in the black and having such a low budget. That is a loser’s mentality.

perhaps the best summary is this one

We’ve had season tickets every year at the ESA/RBC. I was there when we beat Georgia to open the building. I was there when Brian Keeter couldn’t quite make the shots to score 100 on UNC in the magical 8-win season of theirs. Hell, I remember Mean Gene and Slappy, and the time we beat Duke when it showed.

The sad part? Those are my best memories of NC State basketball. I have that 20th Anniversary video of the ‘83 team, and thats it. I got my picture taken with David Thompson at a women’s game once. My dad was an undergrad in ‘74, and he was in Albuquerque that night in ‘83. For nearly 20 years now, I have sat and waited for my Wolfpack to step back in to this top tier of basketball that I have heard so much about.

I was born in 1989. Four months after the last ACC Title of any kind. Exactly a week after Personal Fouls came out. I know all about the history. I can imagine what it would be like to pull for a relevant team. Hell, my mom went to UNC. Trust me, I’m aware of what it’s like.

[…]

If we ever want to become what we were, and what we deserve to be, now is the time we have to do something. Lee Fowler cares about as much for the health of our athletics department as Dick Baddour does. We need someone in here who cares, and is willing to man up and treat this program with the dignity its earned. Lee Fowler has no right to pilot this ship.

[…]

There is only one thing about NC State that is what it should be, and that’s us. The fans. I don’t care how much the administration insults us or the media derides us. We pay for this program, and god damnit we love and care about this program. Lee Fowler didn’t sell out Carter-Finley 8 years in a row, we did. Lee Fowler didn’t make us average in the top-15 in basketball attendance under Herb, we did. And we, more than anyone else, deserve to be listened to.

Those are excerpts of comments here at Statefans Nation, and they are a perfect reflection of what I have heard from my own friends in person and on the phone following the game.

The situation is very simple and perfectly clear: these feelings are not reflections of “fifty lunatics in chat rooms” or message board commandos trying to stir things up for their own amusement.  These are a large number of responsible, reasonable adults with level heads –many are alumnae, Wolfpack Club donors and season ticket holders who have reached their breaking point.  They are all hard-core supporters of NC State and the Wolfpack teams.  They’ve suffered through thick and thin — and now they are saying that enough’s enough.

In an economic recession this deep, Lee Fowler is playing with fire if he seriously pisses off the rank and file donors to NC State athletics.  Yet another dismissive, vapid statement from him towards his fanbase would likely do just that. If even half of the current donors follow through on their threat to reduce donations or not buy tickets, then the Athletic Department has a very serious problem — and one it cannot ignore. If folks start abandoning their LTRs for basketball (where there is no binding contract to continue payments) and stop buying season tickets, they won’t be able to fill up Reynolds for men’s hoops much less the RBC.

That, obviously, would be a very huge problem for NC State University.  And one that comes at a very bad time, what with folks squeezing every nickel out of every dollar and many worrying about the safety of their jobs.  Not only that, new graduates are entering a job market with roughly a 10% unemployment rate — making many of them an unlikely source to fill the coffers any time soon. Money is tight everywhere and not many have much extra laying around to back a program that they perceive has a leader that they cannot believe in.

In short, Fowler needs to speak quickly, plainly and for a change, without condescension to his real employers: not the Board of Trustees, but the 20,000+ people who get out a checkbook every year and send in their hard-earned money to support the NC State Wolfpack.

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178 Responses to Many In Wolfpack Nation Are Saying They’ve Had Enough

  1. Noah 03/13/2009 at 9:57 AM #

    Noah, Pearl Jam’s first album was “Ten” not “11.”

    Gahhh. You’re right. My bad.

    Everett, I’m sorry about your dog.

  2. wolfonthehill 03/13/2009 at 10:08 AM #

    Fenrir made me take 10 minutes to obsess over a Gravatar – just checking to see if mine works.

    If it doesn’t, Fenrir… how’s about shooting me a message to say what you did AFTER setting your email/picture up on gravatar.com…

  3. LRM 03/13/2009 at 10:10 AM #

    It doesn’t really matter what State fans are saying because the administration has never listened before, so why start now?

  4. ryebread 03/13/2009 at 10:14 AM #

    LRM: They finally listened with Amato. They finally listened with Herb and let him leave as opposed to trying to match his contract. Both of those were clearly due to fan unrest.

    When they seriously believe that the money will stop rolling in if something isn’t done about Fowler, they’ll listen again. Until that threat is real and they’re staring the risk of being red in the face, then I personally believe that you are correct that they will do nothing.

    The Wolfpack Club is as much as telling us so. Read the posts above (and elsewhere) and you’ll see that the consistent message from the Wolfpack Club is to reasonable voice our displeasure with the BOT. They’re who ultimately has the power to make changes.

  5. wufpup76 03/13/2009 at 10:15 AM #

    wolfonthehill –

    I know you asked Fenrir and I’m sorry for responding out of turn – but it took me forever to get mine right.

    First, ensure that your avatar has a “G” rating. I think that solves most of the issues for folks.

    What was ultimately wrong with mine though is that I had my log-in here pointed to the wrong e-mail address and had completely overlooked it. Once I had my log-in e-mail synced up here and at gravatar.com I was straight.

    Just telling you what I went through so hopefully you won’t have to …

  6. com state10 03/13/2009 at 10:17 AM #

    March madness pool anyone? Lets get it started on this blog with everybody here, if it hasn’t been done before.

  7. StateFoxer 03/13/2009 at 10:31 AM #

    Can anyone think of some basketball programs that were in a position like ours and recovered? Once great programs that feel of the face of the earth and have re-emerged from the abyss? How did they manage to right the ship?

    I was born in 84, so I’ve only known the dark years. Somebody give me some hope that it’s at least POSSIBLE for us to bounce back. I don’t need much, just proof that there’s a chance.

  8. Alpha Wolf 03/13/2009 at 10:32 AM #

    Ryebread — I will courteously disagree with you about not beating up on the players. I won’t dog a player for making an honest mistake if it comes with hard work ethic, but I certainly will climb all over a player’s ass for being lazy, for having a bad attitude and for being selfish to the detriment of the team.

    The Three Stooges (Fells, McCauley and Costner) have all had those problems at one time or the other during their career. McCauley, so far as I can tell, is the only one to ever get past his issues and become a fully integrated member of a TEAM that plays as best he can within a team framework.

    Fells, well bless his heart, he just doesn’t have a head for basketball. All too often he plays like Curly Howard in a basketball uniform, making horrible decisions and taking incredibly dumb three point shots given a certain clock and score scenario. All he needed to do after one of those shots was scream “Woo! Woo! Woo!”

    I will say that Fells was a great defender, something he had to have learned in high school, because he sure as hell never learned it from Sidney Lowe. He also gave a lot, but the truth is that he disappeared all too often during key stretches of games and got a lot of points in garbage minutes once matters had been settled one way or the other.

    Then there is Costner.

    What’s the difference between this and Costner?

    None. That’s Pumpernickel, my nickname for Costner. Why? Both are a big brown loaf of soft bread that is easy to slice and dice.

    I was absolutely infuriated to watch him standing around or making stupid fouls in last night’s stretch sequence. He’s a power forward he doesn’t like to work into post position, he’d rather take a three-pointer and watch the clattering rebound get grabbed up by the other team. Watching him never chasing his rebounds from behind the three-point line made me wish Chuck Norris would come out of the stands and give him a roundhouse kick right upside his head.

    I was actually HOPING he would foul out last night later in the game. At least by sitting on the bench pouting he wouldn’t be hurting the rest of the team that was actually, you know, TRYING.

    To summarize Costner, Tracy Smith puts more effort into one offensive possession than Costner does the entire game. How in the hell he ever got a reputation as a great player is beyond me, aside from a handful of contests and one great tournament, what in Sam Hill’s name has he ever done to deserve the reputation as a go-to guy? The only thing I can think of is that he has been on teams with so little talent collectively that he has looked decent in comparison. Truth is that Costner wouldn’t get more than four minutes a game — if that — were he to wear a blue uniform, if you know what I am saying.

    I will be HAPPY to watch the Three Stooges leave and take their cancerous attitudes with them. The only one I will miss is Ben McCauley, who at least salvaged some respect after acting like a benched nine year old last year and showing a lot of maturity this season. I wish it were Big Ben that was the junior and that Costner was the senior.

    Were I Lowe, I would tell Costner to take his act to some third-rate Euro team and that he shouldn’t come back to Raleigh. If Costner is our senior “leader” next year, expect 5-11 or 4-12…at best…in the ACC.

  9. Rick 03/13/2009 at 10:40 AM #

    “It doesn’t really matter what State fans are saying because the administration has never listened before, so why start now?”

    This is one reason I get so annoyed when people say Fowler went after Barnes and Calipari because it was what the fans wanted. He has never ever done anything to appease the fans before (quite the opposite in fact) so why would he have started then?

  10. Rick 03/13/2009 at 10:42 AM #

    Alpha,
    I am with you. I hate lazy. And Costner is the living embodiment of a human being who does the bare minimal necessary to exist.

    We may not be better next year but I think the players will actually care. And it will answer the question of if it is the players or the coach. I honestly think I know the answer but it will be nice to have some confirmation.

  11. wolfonthehill 03/13/2009 at 10:49 AM #

    Thanks wolfpup – so bottom line is that I don’t need to DO anything here… just make sure that my email address here & at Gravatar match, then give it time to sync up.

    Right?

    In a couple days, I will post an article on how to do that. We’ve got a looooong time to get ready for football season after the Spring Game. At least the baseball team is halfway decent. — Alpha

  12. wolfonthehill 03/13/2009 at 10:50 AM #

    Still not working – ah well, off to the game-watching party… good day, gents…

  13. wufpup76 03/13/2009 at 10:50 AM #

    ^^StateFoxer –

    Kentucky didn’t exactly fall off the face of the earth, but Eddie Sutton left that program in shambles.

    UK was extremely fortunate to be able to lure a young head coach from Providence named Rick Pitino to be their next head coach. They went through a couple of humiliating and extremely humbling years. Then the ship started being righted. The school leadership and the community helped bring Pitino in and give him all the support he needed. The players that elected to come to Kentucky after the scandal sacrificed so much and worked so hard to get the program back on track that all of their jerseys were retired (or honored) and there is a banner hanging from the rafters featuring “The Unforgetables.”

    The only thing we have in place that is similar to Kentucky’s situation is fan support. All the rest (leadership, etc.) is still in the abyss and is slowly pulling the life support of the fans with them.

  14. BJD95 03/13/2009 at 10:52 AM #

    Sidney Lowe has been here for three full seasons. He’s responsible for every single player on the roster.

  15. wufpup76 03/13/2009 at 10:53 AM #

    ^^Yeah, sorry wolfonthehill –

    Be sure to check out their FAQ’s on gravatar.com and I even e-mailed them … Someone got back to me the next day.

    You may have to clear your cache and all that, and it says to give it 10-15 minutes. So long as your profile here matches, you should be ok (I think).

  16. Par Shooter 03/13/2009 at 10:57 AM #

    Alpha, I totally agree with your assesment of the 3 stooges with one exception. Don’t forget that the best so-called leader of the 3 (McCauley) also got left home from the Toronto trip this fall for “conduct unbecoming” which allegedly was punching a teammate. It’s pretty sad when you look at 3 seniors and conclude that the best leader and teammate is the one who spent a year pouting like a 3-yr old, then punches a teammate and gets left home from a trip designed to bring the team together. That’s some group.

  17. wufpup76 03/13/2009 at 11:03 AM #

    Lawson out, Frasor starts …

    I’ll be checking the chat if anybody wants a score update of to mouth off or whatever …

  18. buttPACKer 03/13/2009 at 11:33 AM #

    wolfonthehill,

    make sure that your PASSWORD, SCREEN-NAME AND EMAIL MATCH. that should solve your problem with the Gravatar.
    — I had to change my password here, before it would finally work properly.

  19. wufpup76 03/13/2009 at 11:33 AM #

    I just saw perhaps the worst call I’ve ever seen made.

    Hokies on a break, up by 8 points ball is thrown to Vassallo … Ellington slides in front, is still moving, and makes no attempt to fall down or slide on his butt backwards – so, naturally there is an EMPHATIC charge call the other way. Two fouls now on Vassallo, Hansjob gets a slam, Holes have all the momentum. It’s simply stunning the way this shit goes.

    Every fan there not wearing any shade of powder blue, an ascot, a sweater vest or anything else you usually see most Hole fans in was lustily booing. It was just an unfathomable call by what appeared to be a ref with a clear agenda. I HATE THEM. Of course Hansjob gets the slam and Holes fans are up in full force cheering as if saying “It’s about time that call goes for us. Yeah!”

    I just simply don’t believe it.

    Now Hansjob clearly flops. I can’t believe the league is going to deny the hard working desperate team in favor of the same ‘ol, same ‘ol. This is ridiculous. What should be a 12 point game is a 2 point game, and now the Hole “fight” song is playing loud and clear. %*&^(&*^*&^*^*&^

  20. wufpup76 03/13/2009 at 11:34 AM #

    Holes players are lauging and giggling.

    F the ACC. Up yours Swofford and Clougherty.

    Now this same bald-headed ref with a clear agenda makes yet another questionable (at best) call. He’s not whistled one single call against the Holes.

  21. Wolfpack_1995 03/13/2009 at 11:39 AM #

    “None. That’s Pumpernickel, my nickname for Costner. Why? Both are a big brown loaf of soft bread that is easy to slice and dice.”

    Alpha,

    Do you happen to watch “The Big Bang Theory?”

    Anyways there was reference to Pumpernickel on one of the shows that was funny.

    In the show it’s said that Pumpernickel loosely translated in German is “Fart Goblin”

    We can also refer to BC as “Big Lazy,” “Pumpernickel,” and the “Fart Goblin!” LOL

  22. wufpup76 03/13/2009 at 11:41 AM #

    The entire game is changed since that call against Vassallo and since Vassallo had to leave.

    I’m sorry, I’ll stop now … it’s enough to make you want to quit watching altogether.

    Edit: Now this baldheaded ref is getting in (VT) Thompson’s face for daring to ask where a foul was that was called on him (hint: Thompson was straight up and there was no foul … the VT bench is confused and the game is more or less over as they look demoralized). I don’t get it.

  23. old13 03/13/2009 at 11:47 AM #

    I’ve been seething ever since Foulup’s great letter to the fans and his comments about the “50 guys on the internet” and the “Lunatic Fringe” a few years ago. I have written letters, sent emails, etc. to no avail – it just worsens! Bottom line – I had had enough 3+ years ago! (BTW I am an alum, a retiree, and an EX-wpc member)

  24. wufpup76 03/13/2009 at 11:47 AM #

    There is simply no way / excuse for Chapel Hole leading this game at the half.

    People seriously wonder why Duke and the Holes are hated on so much by other fanbases.

  25. redfred2 03/13/2009 at 11:50 AM #

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