Many In Wolfpack Nation Are Saying They’ve Had Enough

To say that Wolfpack Nation is seething mad tonight would be akin to calling the eruption of Mount St. Helen’s in 1980 a loud bang.

It simply doesn’t begin to cover it.  This is not about losing a game in the first round of the ACC Tournament, not even the fact that it is the second year in a row.  This is a loud yell of disgust directed towards what they perceive as over twenty years of collective incompentence not only in men’s basketball but across the board in the executive offices in Brown-Weiseger.

This time, “wait until next year” won’t work.

These are the things being said tonight:

“I’ll be on the phone with the Wolfpack Club tomorrow. If Lee Fowler is going to be around much longer, my 2009 “red white and you” payment just split in half. They will know why.”

and

“At this point, I do not think I will purchase tickets [for basketball] next year. This will be the first time in a long time.

“I’m tired of spending my money which by doing so just enables Lee to stay in the black and keep his job. I’m tired of “sell outs” and thousands upon thousands of empty seats.”

and

“If anyone can look at the performance of Fowler’s hires and defend him, then I would like to meet them and have a conversation. I’m sure the only way they’d be able to do it is with a discussion about being in the black and having such a low budget. That is a loser’s mentality.

perhaps the best summary is this one

We’ve had season tickets every year at the ESA/RBC. I was there when we beat Georgia to open the building. I was there when Brian Keeter couldn’t quite make the shots to score 100 on UNC in the magical 8-win season of theirs. Hell, I remember Mean Gene and Slappy, and the time we beat Duke when it showed.

The sad part? Those are my best memories of NC State basketball. I have that 20th Anniversary video of the ‘83 team, and thats it. I got my picture taken with David Thompson at a women’s game once. My dad was an undergrad in ‘74, and he was in Albuquerque that night in ‘83. For nearly 20 years now, I have sat and waited for my Wolfpack to step back in to this top tier of basketball that I have heard so much about.

I was born in 1989. Four months after the last ACC Title of any kind. Exactly a week after Personal Fouls came out. I know all about the history. I can imagine what it would be like to pull for a relevant team. Hell, my mom went to UNC. Trust me, I’m aware of what it’s like.

[…]

If we ever want to become what we were, and what we deserve to be, now is the time we have to do something. Lee Fowler cares about as much for the health of our athletics department as Dick Baddour does. We need someone in here who cares, and is willing to man up and treat this program with the dignity its earned. Lee Fowler has no right to pilot this ship.

[…]

There is only one thing about NC State that is what it should be, and that’s us. The fans. I don’t care how much the administration insults us or the media derides us. We pay for this program, and god damnit we love and care about this program. Lee Fowler didn’t sell out Carter-Finley 8 years in a row, we did. Lee Fowler didn’t make us average in the top-15 in basketball attendance under Herb, we did. And we, more than anyone else, deserve to be listened to.

Those are excerpts of comments here at Statefans Nation, and they are a perfect reflection of what I have heard from my own friends in person and on the phone following the game.

The situation is very simple and perfectly clear: these feelings are not reflections of “fifty lunatics in chat rooms” or message board commandos trying to stir things up for their own amusement.  These are a large number of responsible, reasonable adults with level heads –many are alumnae, Wolfpack Club donors and season ticket holders who have reached their breaking point.  They are all hard-core supporters of NC State and the Wolfpack teams.  They’ve suffered through thick and thin — and now they are saying that enough’s enough.

In an economic recession this deep, Lee Fowler is playing with fire if he seriously pisses off the rank and file donors to NC State athletics.  Yet another dismissive, vapid statement from him towards his fanbase would likely do just that. If even half of the current donors follow through on their threat to reduce donations or not buy tickets, then the Athletic Department has a very serious problem — and one it cannot ignore. If folks start abandoning their LTRs for basketball (where there is no binding contract to continue payments) and stop buying season tickets, they won’t be able to fill up Reynolds for men’s hoops much less the RBC.

That, obviously, would be a very huge problem for NC State University.  And one that comes at a very bad time, what with folks squeezing every nickel out of every dollar and many worrying about the safety of their jobs.  Not only that, new graduates are entering a job market with roughly a 10% unemployment rate — making many of them an unlikely source to fill the coffers any time soon. Money is tight everywhere and not many have much extra laying around to back a program that they perceive has a leader that they cannot believe in.

In short, Fowler needs to speak quickly, plainly and for a change, without condescension to his real employers: not the Board of Trustees, but the 20,000+ people who get out a checkbook every year and send in their hard-earned money to support the NC State Wolfpack.

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178 Responses to Many In Wolfpack Nation Are Saying They’ve Had Enough

  1. Astral Rain 03/14/2009 at 11:09 PM #

    One more example. Speaking to someone random last night.

    I said loser ACC program- the first thing that came to mind for him was NC State. Second thing was Wake though so go figure.

    But that’s the perception now. BTW the person I spoke to was 25-26 and from Maryland area.

    BTW Sid shouldn’t be fired this year, but his seat is now toasty to me.

  2. ryebread 03/15/2009 at 9:44 AM #

    I posted this on Packpride but feel there is relevance here as well. It’s more about my position on Fowler.

    The AD is the person in charge of the athletics department. If the department is doing well, the AD should be commended. If you’re mediocre to poor, then you should look to someone who can do better. How anyone can objectively look at Fowler’s record, particularly around the selections that he’s made to fill staff positions (a.k.a. coaches), and think that he deserves to remain on is beyond me. A lot of the messes that TOB and SL inherited were directly due to his extremely poor leadership. It’s time for some accountability for all those bad decisions and mismanagement and therefore it is time for Fowler to go. Period.

    I don’t expect a new AD to come in and to immediately start firing, though if he or she fired Tarantini, then it’d probably be warranted. A new AD should be allowed to come in, assess the situation and see what is working and what is not for a year before being expected to make any real changes.

    Let’s face it, we have the 2 revenue sports, 2 non-revenue sports with decent followings and the rest. One revenue sport is in good hands (football). The other (men’s bball) seems to be coming into a make or break season. Of the 2 non-revenue sports with decent followings, baseball seems to be on solid ground (we can argue Avent, but as long as he’s got the pitching coach, I’d keep him around). Women’s basketball is in transition and I don’t trust Fowler to make a decent hire from an external source. Given Glance’s loyalty and Kay’s wishes, I’d give her the job on a 3 year contract to see what she can do (and I ultimately think that’s what the search committee will do). For the remaining sports, some are good (cross country) and some are not (soccer).

    Now is the ideal time to make an AD change and allow someone new that time to see what is working and what isn’t. The new AD will be able to watch our crown jewel (men’s BBALL) in its most criticial season in recent memory. They’ll also be able to watch Glance from day one to see if the program improves, remains stagnant or continues its decline (which in all honesty is has over the last 3-5 years).

    About the worst possible thing to do in my opinion would be to keep Fowler on for another year. We’d then be trying to replace an AD at the same time we’d be trying to make a critical go/no go decision in men’s basketball. That’s basic business 101. Sadly, that’s what we did when Fowler was brought in (on the heels of the season that Sendek should have been fired in). That really tied Fowler’s hands with Sendek and hurt NC State for a long time.

    Now’s the time folks. Fowler needs a visit from the Chancellor. If he’s unwilling to do it, the torches and pitchforks need to come out.

  3. runningraleigh 03/15/2009 at 5:32 PM #

    Took the words right out of my mouth. I was lucky to get a good job when I graduated in 2005 and I could donate to the school if I were so inclined. But they’re getting nothing until both Fowler and Oblinger are gone now.

    I want another chancelor like J.T. Caldwell…

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