Many In Wolfpack Nation Are Saying They’ve Had Enough

To say that Wolfpack Nation is seething mad tonight would be akin to calling the eruption of Mount St. Helen’s in 1980 a loud bang.

It simply doesn’t begin to cover it.  This is not about losing a game in the first round of the ACC Tournament, not even the fact that it is the second year in a row.  This is a loud yell of disgust directed towards what they perceive as over twenty years of collective incompentence not only in men’s basketball but across the board in the executive offices in Brown-Weiseger.

This time, “wait until next year” won’t work.

These are the things being said tonight:

“I’ll be on the phone with the Wolfpack Club tomorrow. If Lee Fowler is going to be around much longer, my 2009 “red white and you” payment just split in half. They will know why.”


“At this point, I do not think I will purchase tickets [for basketball] next year. This will be the first time in a long time.

“I’m tired of spending my money which by doing so just enables Lee to stay in the black and keep his job. I’m tired of “sell outs” and thousands upon thousands of empty seats.”


“If anyone can look at the performance of Fowler’s hires and defend him, then I would like to meet them and have a conversation. I’m sure the only way they’d be able to do it is with a discussion about being in the black and having such a low budget. That is a loser’s mentality.

perhaps the best summary is this one

We’ve had season tickets every year at the ESA/RBC. I was there when we beat Georgia to open the building. I was there when Brian Keeter couldn’t quite make the shots to score 100 on UNC in the magical 8-win season of theirs. Hell, I remember Mean Gene and Slappy, and the time we beat Duke when it showed.

The sad part? Those are my best memories of NC State basketball. I have that 20th Anniversary video of the ‘83 team, and thats it. I got my picture taken with David Thompson at a women’s game once. My dad was an undergrad in ‘74, and he was in Albuquerque that night in ‘83. For nearly 20 years now, I have sat and waited for my Wolfpack to step back in to this top tier of basketball that I have heard so much about.

I was born in 1989. Four months after the last ACC Title of any kind. Exactly a week after Personal Fouls came out. I know all about the history. I can imagine what it would be like to pull for a relevant team. Hell, my mom went to UNC. Trust me, I’m aware of what it’s like.


If we ever want to become what we were, and what we deserve to be, now is the time we have to do something. Lee Fowler cares about as much for the health of our athletics department as Dick Baddour does. We need someone in here who cares, and is willing to man up and treat this program with the dignity its earned. Lee Fowler has no right to pilot this ship.


There is only one thing about NC State that is what it should be, and that’s us. The fans. I don’t care how much the administration insults us or the media derides us. We pay for this program, and god damnit we love and care about this program. Lee Fowler didn’t sell out Carter-Finley 8 years in a row, we did. Lee Fowler didn’t make us average in the top-15 in basketball attendance under Herb, we did. And we, more than anyone else, deserve to be listened to.

Those are excerpts of comments here at Statefans Nation, and they are a perfect reflection of what I have heard from my own friends in person and on the phone following the game.

The situation is very simple and perfectly clear: these feelings are not reflections of “fifty lunatics in chat rooms” or message board commandos trying to stir things up for their own amusement.  These are a large number of responsible, reasonable adults with level heads –many are alumnae, Wolfpack Club donors and season ticket holders who have reached their breaking point.  They are all hard-core supporters of NC State and the Wolfpack teams.  They’ve suffered through thick and thin — and now they are saying that enough’s enough.

In an economic recession this deep, Lee Fowler is playing with fire if he seriously pisses off the rank and file donors to NC State athletics.  Yet another dismissive, vapid statement from him towards his fanbase would likely do just that. If even half of the current donors follow through on their threat to reduce donations or not buy tickets, then the Athletic Department has a very serious problem — and one it cannot ignore. If folks start abandoning their LTRs for basketball (where there is no binding contract to continue payments) and stop buying season tickets, they won’t be able to fill up Reynolds for men’s hoops much less the RBC.

That, obviously, would be a very huge problem for NC State University.  And one that comes at a very bad time, what with folks squeezing every nickel out of every dollar and many worrying about the safety of their jobs.  Not only that, new graduates are entering a job market with roughly a 10% unemployment rate — making many of them an unlikely source to fill the coffers any time soon. Money is tight everywhere and not many have much extra laying around to back a program that they perceive has a leader that they cannot believe in.

In short, Fowler needs to speak quickly, plainly and for a change, without condescension to his real employers: not the Board of Trustees, but the 20,000+ people who get out a checkbook every year and send in their hard-earned money to support the NC State Wolfpack.

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178 Responses to Many In Wolfpack Nation Are Saying They’ve Had Enough

  1. articwolf 03/13/2009 at 12:03 AM #

    I’ve had enough!
    Wolfpack Club member #381

  2. wufpup76 03/13/2009 at 12:08 AM #

    You did this to yourself, N.C. State.

  3. BJD95 03/13/2009 at 12:12 AM #

    I wish we had one-tenth the heart Syracuse has.

  4. Alpha Wolf 03/13/2009 at 12:16 AM #

    Heart starts with leadership, BJD.

  5. BJD95 03/13/2009 at 12:22 AM #

    Very true, Alpha. Very true.

  6. wufpup76 03/13/2009 at 12:28 AM #

    ^Exactly what I was fixing to post, BJD.

    Syracuse 127 – UConn 117 Final 6OT


    I hate both of those programs, but that was an absolute classic and I clapped at the end for both teams. Syracuse had to play the last two minutes of the 5th overtime and all of the 6th overtime with a walk-on at the 2 guard. Syracuse did not lead in any of the overtimes until the 6th one.

    This was not a “who can out-ugly who” contest. Every player gave their all. Every player cared. Everything was left on the floor. There was never any inclination of “we’re in the tournament so it doesn’t matter anyway”. Both teams wanted it. Both teams went after it.

    All the while watching it, I couldn’t help but feel sad. Will we ever see our Wolfpack play with such effort and at such a high level again? It saddens me greatly to ponder that. Too long has it been clear that the “other team” usually wants it more when playing the Pack, and we usually oblige.

    Had enough of rudderless leadership? You’re damn right I have.

  7. txpack 03/13/2009 at 12:31 AM #

    NC State’s problem is clearly above Lee Fowler!

    While I was at Raleigh the early 90s, there were strong hard feelings against our basketball program among faculty. I remembered that when I was TA in PAMS, I had few football team members in the class. And I was trying to spend extar time with them before mid-terms and finals. But I got a warning from the administration, and wanted to treat them as “normal” students.

    I smelled hate on V every day on campus that time.

    Now, almost 20 years late, are we doing better?

  8. wufpup76 03/13/2009 at 12:38 AM #

    ^That type of attitude and culture needs to be rooted out. It takes leadership to change that.

    We are in a neverending vicious cycle.

  9. coppertop 03/13/2009 at 12:39 AM #

    I think there is a lot to be learned from these past two basketball seasons as well as from the last two football seasons. TOB fell into Lee’s lap, Sidney, sadly was chosen after being publicly humiliated for over a month from anyone who sort of looked at NCSU the right way…
    Like the drunk ugly girl at the party, we were begging for attention and found it from someone who could not say no. I think every person on here wants success from Sidney lowe, and would want nothing more than for him to succeed. However, a better representation of the climate at NCSU would be the administration, not just this season.

    Personally, I think Sidney deserves at least another year. In that time, and over this summer, if there is not any attention paid to changing the paradigm at NCSU, for ALL athletics, my support will diminish greatly for the university.

    And I intend on letting the WPC know about my displeasure.

  10. tractor57 03/13/2009 at 1:50 AM #

    As a FORMER member of the Wolfpack Club I doubt seriously that my opinions matter in the least. Maybe College of Charleston wants a athletic supporter (my daughter graduated from there).

  11. Avid109 03/13/2009 at 4:53 AM #

    Our basketball program has no hope for a championship-caliber future as long as Lee Fowler remains our athletic director. Unless he’s nudged out somehow, there’s no hope. Even if Fowler and Lowe were to leave, however, we’d still have a major problem on our hands. We found out last time around that the big-name coaches are not going to risk their careers by taking tough job like ours. I think our best hope lies in finding a young, diamond-in-the-rough coach at a smaller school. We need someone who relishes the opportunity of taking on the challenges of ACC basketball.

    Will our situation ever improve? I have little hope at this point.

  12. MattN 03/13/2009 at 5:33 AM #

    Other than become a Clemson fan, I am at a loss as to what to do. It is my hope that Sidney will resign before he is fired, and avoid an Amato-esque departure.

  13. solesman 03/13/2009 at 5:43 AM #

    Though being Wolfpack fan for 30 years, I’d only been able to afford season tickets over the 6. This past year, I skipped more games than I ever had. The product on the court has become very unappealing. I even watched games on TV until halftime then went to bed knowing we were going to find a way to lose. Only once in those instances did we pull it out in the end.

    I can’t control anything about Wolfpack basketball. I can only control my approach and attitude towards it. And that’s slowly becoming more and more apathetic.

    I guess all we can hope for at this point is improvement in the offseason.

  14. whitefang 03/13/2009 at 5:44 AM #

    If my memory serves me correctly (and I am sure it will be corrected here if it is faulty), the BOT “forced” a change be made in fb when Amato was fired. I hope they understand that it is time that a change in AD be forced.
    Sadly I think that the Lowe “experiment” is a failure and he must go as well. He won’t resign without a buy-out. He can’t afford to.

    BJD – You are exactly correct. Fowler did not want to fire Amato. Had he not agreed to do so, he would have been fired.

  15. packalum44 03/13/2009 at 5:48 AM #

    I emailed Bobby Purcell a few months ago saying I was not giving this year. He had some guy on his staff call me back which was really nice and reminded me why we all like Bobby. He’s professional. I politely and subtly told him that I was not pleased with the leadership of athletics and he understood. He said they would voice my concern but that it would be more effective if I were to write Chancellor and BOT which I fully intend to do tomorrow! Sid just doesn’t get it. Look at the talent Matt Daugherty had. If you suck you suck.

  16. BladenWolf 03/13/2009 at 5:48 AM #

    Even after a good night’s sleep I feel exactly the same about where State stands. We’re in deep shit – again.
    When will the Chancellor fire Fowler? When will the WPC learn? Never it seems. As long as the dollars flow in, the administration doesn’t care, and we’re doomed to be a second rate basketball team. We’ll…I’m through given my money to a bunch of clowns that can’t see the light.
    I’ so god damn tired of the tragedy that has become State Athletics!!
    I think I’ll just start pulling for my son’s college team (a Division III team) and go back to ignoring the Pack like I was forced to do in the Les Robison years.

  17. papackman 03/13/2009 at 5:52 AM #

    I continue to read about the greatest fans in college sport and the million$ the fans pour into the programs. This same fan base has to settle for mediocrity, not just in football and basketball, but across the board…all sports. Except for an occasional bright spot here and there, we suck at everything. Maybe this is the reason for such a lack of respect for this great university in all medias. This fans base has a say….and we need to say it with money. We’re tired of waiting till next year!!

  18. MattN 03/13/2009 at 5:58 AM #

    Papackman, mediocrity would be an improvement…

  19. BladenWolf 03/13/2009 at 6:05 AM #

    I can’t wait to get to work today and see all the smirks from my UNX and Dookie colleagues.

    They’ll just pat me on the shoulder and condescendingly explain that I shouldn’t get my hopes up every year, I shouldn’t expect the Pack to go very far, and remind me that I’m still living in the glory days…twenty-five years ago…

    Thanks Lee Fowler. Great job.

  20. Noah 03/13/2009 at 6:16 AM #

    It’s about bleeding time.

  21. packalum44 03/13/2009 at 6:49 AM #

    I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again. With a good coach this team would be dancing. For three years I have watched players that look confused, lackadaisical, undisciplined, and lack fundamentals. I’ve heard some blame these characteristics on the players. This might hold water if it was directed at 1 or 2 players. However, when it is a whole team for 3 years…as Alpha says, this comes from the top. Lowe does not know what he is doing and it shows through the players. They don’t know their roles, they don’t know when they’ll play, they don’t know Lowe’s expectations, they don’t understand Lowe’s offense, they don’t seem happy, they don’t have confidence in coach or themselves, they don’t know how to win.

    There is a saying that part of being intelligent is knowing your limits. I honestly believe that Lowe doesn’t know his. He believes his own post-game excuses.

  22. wolfonthehill 03/13/2009 at 6:52 AM #

    I actually stopped my contributions at the end of 2008. Period. I get my football tickets through a friend whose wife doesn’t use hers, and I have a backup in case those go unavailable. But technically, at this point, I’m no longer in Wolfpack Club.

    I still contribute to Junior Wolfpack Club for my twin 7-year-olds… just in case they have the misfortune of ending up Pack fans (they currently like the Pack 1st, uncch 2nd, and I refuse to make them hate another school – it’s up to them to develop that if appropriate). If they end up going to State, they’ll already have 18 years of rank points going for them. My little gift to them.

    BJD – Hey, my twins are 7 too! But mine hate Carolina.

    But I’m out. I don’t see the point anymore. And yes… when people like me start saying “why am I giving them X dollars a year???”, there’s a serious problem.

  23. Rochester 03/13/2009 at 6:54 AM #

    I was going to take a half day today to go home early and watch the ACCT. Somehow I just don’t feel like it any more. Hard to take any joy in watching others play basketball when there’s no joy in watching my own team.

  24. BJD95 03/13/2009 at 6:54 AM #

    “You still have one more pick, Sid.”

    “Auggie, let’s do this!”

  25. blackdom 03/13/2009 at 6:54 AM #

    Anthony Grant from VCU but he fits too well and georgia or alabama will grab him.

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