Many In Wolfpack Nation Are Saying They’ve Had Enough

To say that Wolfpack Nation is seething mad tonight would be akin to calling the eruption of Mount St. Helen’s in 1980 a loud bang.

It simply doesn’t begin to cover it.  This is not about losing a game in the first round of the ACC Tournament, not even the fact that it is the second year in a row.  This is a loud yell of disgust directed towards what they perceive as over twenty years of collective incompentence not only in men’s basketball but across the board in the executive offices in Brown-Weiseger.

This time, “wait until next year” won’t work.

These are the things being said tonight:

“I’ll be on the phone with the Wolfpack Club tomorrow. If Lee Fowler is going to be around much longer, my 2009 “red white and you” payment just split in half. They will know why.”

and

“At this point, I do not think I will purchase tickets [for basketball] next year. This will be the first time in a long time.

“I’m tired of spending my money which by doing so just enables Lee to stay in the black and keep his job. I’m tired of “sell outs” and thousands upon thousands of empty seats.”

and

“If anyone can look at the performance of Fowler’s hires and defend him, then I would like to meet them and have a conversation. I’m sure the only way they’d be able to do it is with a discussion about being in the black and having such a low budget. That is a loser’s mentality.

perhaps the best summary is this one

We’ve had season tickets every year at the ESA/RBC. I was there when we beat Georgia to open the building. I was there when Brian Keeter couldn’t quite make the shots to score 100 on UNC in the magical 8-win season of theirs. Hell, I remember Mean Gene and Slappy, and the time we beat Duke when it showed.

The sad part? Those are my best memories of NC State basketball. I have that 20th Anniversary video of the ‘83 team, and thats it. I got my picture taken with David Thompson at a women’s game once. My dad was an undergrad in ‘74, and he was in Albuquerque that night in ‘83. For nearly 20 years now, I have sat and waited for my Wolfpack to step back in to this top tier of basketball that I have heard so much about.

I was born in 1989. Four months after the last ACC Title of any kind. Exactly a week after Personal Fouls came out. I know all about the history. I can imagine what it would be like to pull for a relevant team. Hell, my mom went to UNC. Trust me, I’m aware of what it’s like.

[…]

If we ever want to become what we were, and what we deserve to be, now is the time we have to do something. Lee Fowler cares about as much for the health of our athletics department as Dick Baddour does. We need someone in here who cares, and is willing to man up and treat this program with the dignity its earned. Lee Fowler has no right to pilot this ship.

[…]

There is only one thing about NC State that is what it should be, and that’s us. The fans. I don’t care how much the administration insults us or the media derides us. We pay for this program, and god damnit we love and care about this program. Lee Fowler didn’t sell out Carter-Finley 8 years in a row, we did. Lee Fowler didn’t make us average in the top-15 in basketball attendance under Herb, we did. And we, more than anyone else, deserve to be listened to.

Those are excerpts of comments here at Statefans Nation, and they are a perfect reflection of what I have heard from my own friends in person and on the phone following the game.

The situation is very simple and perfectly clear: these feelings are not reflections of “fifty lunatics in chat rooms” or message board commandos trying to stir things up for their own amusement.  These are a large number of responsible, reasonable adults with level heads –many are alumnae, Wolfpack Club donors and season ticket holders who have reached their breaking point.  They are all hard-core supporters of NC State and the Wolfpack teams.  They’ve suffered through thick and thin — and now they are saying that enough’s enough.

In an economic recession this deep, Lee Fowler is playing with fire if he seriously pisses off the rank and file donors to NC State athletics.  Yet another dismissive, vapid statement from him towards his fanbase would likely do just that. If even half of the current donors follow through on their threat to reduce donations or not buy tickets, then the Athletic Department has a very serious problem — and one it cannot ignore. If folks start abandoning their LTRs for basketball (where there is no binding contract to continue payments) and stop buying season tickets, they won’t be able to fill up Reynolds for men’s hoops much less the RBC.

That, obviously, would be a very huge problem for NC State University.  And one that comes at a very bad time, what with folks squeezing every nickel out of every dollar and many worrying about the safety of their jobs.  Not only that, new graduates are entering a job market with roughly a 10% unemployment rate — making many of them an unlikely source to fill the coffers any time soon. Money is tight everywhere and not many have much extra laying around to back a program that they perceive has a leader that they cannot believe in.

In short, Fowler needs to speak quickly, plainly and for a change, without condescension to his real employers: not the Board of Trustees, but the 20,000+ people who get out a checkbook every year and send in their hard-earned money to support the NC State Wolfpack.

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178 Responses to Many In Wolfpack Nation Are Saying They’ve Had Enough

  1. BJD95 03/13/2009 at 6:59 AM #

    Replace Lee Fowler immediately. As soon as Billy Gillispie becomes available, we should be on him like stink on shit.

    He should have been the first name on Fowler’s “B list” three years ago, if he wasn’t too stupid to have a “B list.” The “panic hire” option didn’t work so good.

  2. Astral Rain 03/13/2009 at 7:05 AM #

    I swore when I graduated I would never give money to the Uni until Lee Fowler was fired.

    I’m adding Oblinger to that list.

    BTW I don’t hate Sid, but he only gets one more year from me as I said earlier, and his seat needs to get toasty.

  3. howlie 03/13/2009 at 7:10 AM #

    Our Politburo BOT needs to come out with either a public statement [rather than a behind-closed-door agreement] that:
    “We declare that NC State athletics program should always be second-class to our academics–& therefore–to the rest of the ACC teams;”
    or that,
    “NC State expects excellence, and won’t tolerate these new historic lows that come at the end of the worst decade of athletic production in NC State’s history. Unlike our AD who is systematically sinking our entire athletic fleet into the graveyard of the Atlantic [Coast Conference]–WE expect excellence.”

    Unfortunately, THEY, like Fowler, sit; watch failure; and do N O T H I N G .

  4. Sweet jumper 03/13/2009 at 7:20 AM #

    Nolan Richardson is probably done, but I did admire his “40 minutes of hell mentality” regarding all-out defensive pressure the entire game. Mookie Blaylock was a beast.

  5. wolfonthehill 03/13/2009 at 7:30 AM #

    BJD – I have stepkids who grew up uncch fans, and I realized a while back that their hatred of all things dook is quite unhealthy, due to their insane father. I got to learn from them… I didn’t want my boys to have that kind of anger at such a young age… and hell, if my boys end up uncch fans as adults, they’ll likely be happier people.

    It is truly a sad state when that’s where we are. I seriously know people who feel guilty because they made their kids NC State fans… “they’d be a lot happier pulling for someone else”. I even know “grown-up” kids who wonder why their parents DID turn them into State fans… “I’d be a lot happier as a uncch fan – what would be wrong with pulling for a winner?”.

    I’m not quite there, and the boys will remain Pack fans unless and until they choose to attend school elsewhere… it’s in their veins, and I think it builds character to grow up in an atmosphere where winning can’t just be assumed. Trust me – I was raised a uncch fan (and was one til my freshman year, when a Scott Williams-led uncch team beat us, making me hate them forever), and I can speak for the mentality. It’s a bad deal when you complain about not winning by a wide enough margin… about “letting other teams stay in the game”… about failing to win the national championship every year that you don’t.

    But my boys are Pack fans, through and through. It’s just hard to have them grow up and say things like “will they ever win a game that we go to?”… “has NC State ever been good at anything?”.

    That’s where we are. “Has NC State ever been good at anything?”

    That cannot be OK.

  6. st8family 03/13/2009 at 7:30 AM #

    Here’s a gem from Costner in the N&O after last night’s game. If any of you still think there is hope or this team gets it, here’s your sign…

    “Junior forward Brandon Costner, who led N.C. State in scoring, sounded satisfied with this season after he slumped as a sophomore.

    “As a whole we played well as a team,” he said. “We’ve grown each game and gotten closer. The younger guys have really grown up and really learned how to play this game in the ACC.
    “I consider it a success. You look at the win-loss column and what we just did here and you may not think so, but overall being a part of this team has been a great experience this year.”

  7. Rick 03/13/2009 at 7:31 AM #

    “Heart starts with leadership, BJD.”

    Short, sweet, to the point and 100% accurate.

    I gave up my tickets and stopped any contributions during the end of the Sendek saga and do not plan to start again any time soon. So I guess I really have no “say” in the matter. Neither Fowler or Obie will care because I am not a “big dog”. But I earned both my under graduate and my MBA at NCSU and have been a fan since I was old enough to understand. I remember my first CASL soccer team was called “the wolfpack” and I could not have been more thrilled. I thought my Dad had actually named that team for me. I have bled the red and white for 40 years. Not so much now.

    In order for NCSU to get any money out of me ever again they need to fire Fowler and change the very culture of our athletic department. There needs to be an urgency to win. A no excuses, no holds barred all out blitzkrieg desire to win.

    No more “we need fuh-cilities”
    No more “we are on the right track”
    No more “the lunatics do not know what they are talking about”

    Either decide to win or quit acting like you are a big time program.

  8. Great Dane Guy 03/13/2009 at 7:32 AM #

    I am happy to see I am not the only person who is sick and tired of this. I was so disgusted that at the 1.26 mark or so, after that last turnover, I just switched the channel. I told my wife I just don’t F’n care to watch this end. I too am someone who has had season tickets since 1993. My friend who gets season tickets with me drives from Charlotte for every home game for NC State basketball. We are not the fringe. We are just tired NC State fans who have been giving money for 16 years now.

  9. wufpup76 03/13/2009 at 7:33 AM #

    “You still have one more pick, Sid.”

    “Auggie, let’s do this!”

    ^Good to start the morning with a laugh.

    “That walker’s not even LEGAL!!”

  10. Rick 03/13/2009 at 7:34 AM #

    Having just read that quote from Costner, I will volunteer to pack his stuff for him and carry it to his car. He has slothed his way through his last threes years here and I am frankly sick of watching someone who does not care.

  11. Wolfpack_1995 03/13/2009 at 7:44 AM #

    Here Here!

    Time for change. If Foulup did not have TOB in football I’d really be pissed.

    I’ve almost completely lost any desire to follow State basketball.

    But next year I know I will be sucked back in due to my loyatly.

    My love and loyalty for NC STATE basketball is what keeps me a fan but I have become incresingly numb to it.

  12. tootallorder 03/13/2009 at 7:54 AM #

    Since moving back to Raleigh 10 years ago, this is the first season I didn’t purchase either a mini pack or season tickets. Hell, I didn’t attend a single basketball game this season. Next year looks to be the same.

  13. hoop 03/13/2009 at 8:07 AM #

    I think that if you are mad then you expected to win tonight. I would have been genuinely surprised.

    Want to hear something crazy? I’ve thought about enrolling at UNC to get an MBA so I’d have a legitimate excuse to pull for Carolina. Now that is sad.

  14. pack80 03/13/2009 at 8:08 AM #

    I guess the thing that bothers me most is that we have become irrelevant in basketball. As a 1980 grad I remember the glory days fondly and do not see why we can not return to them. I hear those who don’t remember say, “you can’t expect to compete with UNX and DOOK!” Well,maybe so but we can damn sure compete for #3!!. It’s just sad that it’s come to the time where I will gladly turn from a NCSU bball game to watch Canes Hockey

  15. jbpackfan 03/13/2009 at 8:15 AM #

    The worst part about all of this is that there is no outrage from the players or coaches. They should all be mad as hell at the result of the season. I want to hear some anger out of these guys to show me that they give a crap about winning and competing. Instead, we have Costner saying it was a pretty good season. Lowe, who seems like a tough competitor, basically said he was pleased with the effort. What the hell is wrong with this program? Everyone associated with it seems so ho-hum about where we are. When we lose its always, oh well, darn, we’ll get em next time. Where’s the passion?

  16. primacyone 03/13/2009 at 8:15 AM #

    I actually feel relieved this morning. Really.

    I’m glad the Herb days are over. I hope Costner does not come back.

    I feel very satisfied with the development, effort, and energy of the younger players. He’ll Mays and Williams and Smith were actually pumped up and clapping their hands on the floor last night. I’m excited to see what they can do next year without all the Fells and Costner mental baggage. As far as program building goes, I starting to hope John Wall doesn’t come.

    Really. Releived is how I feel right now. I be enthusastic if Fowler was gone tomorrow.

    I just hope the football team doesn’t start 2-6 again this year.

  17. Fenrir 03/13/2009 at 8:18 AM #

    say… do you think glennon has a chance at taking wilsons’ position at quarterback next year?
    the basketball program is dead, i’ve cried and grieved for it and have moved on.

  18. Par Shooter 03/13/2009 at 8:24 AM #

    All of us bitching about this to each other may make us feel better but accomplishes very little. I actually took the step of cancelling my LTR’s after last season. These are seats that I had to pick wearing a hardhat since the (then) ESA wasn’t even completed yet. What is scary is that it wasn’t even painful. I figured there would be times this year when I wanted to attend – nope. Not once did I regret the decision.

    At this point the only thing I know to do is to send Oblinger a letter outlining all of the reasons why he must show some leadership in this mess. I’ll copy Fowler and Purcell. I’m pretty sure that none of them will care in the least but I can’t think of any other method to try to affect some change.

    And I wouldn’t try calling the WPC today. All of those guys are undoubtedly partying the weekend away in ATL, damn glad to be on expense account and completely lost in the fact that we are a total trainwreck.

  19. WV Wolf 03/13/2009 at 8:25 AM #

    After not winning a single ACC title last school year, the Wolfpack Club didn’t get a penny from me last year (although they probably don’t miss my measly contribution) outside of the price of football and basketball season tickets. And so far our athletic program is on pace for the same this year.

    Thank goodness for the Mountaineers, they have given me a fallback team to watch over the last several years, I feel bad for all the folks that only have State to pull for.

    But think about this, what kind of shape would our fanbase be in if Russell Wilson had played like a typical freshman QB and not like Russell Wilson? You think things are ugly now…

  20. wufpup76 03/13/2009 at 8:27 AM #

    http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/ncsu/mens_basketball/story/1440649.html

    “Either Mays is one of those feel-good stories that pop up during tournament time or just another curiosity in a season cluttered with them.

    Let’s go with the latter.

    If this N.C. State team has a distinguishing characteristic, it’s that it has never quite figured out who or what it is.”

    “With the Wolfpack, it sometimes seemed as if it was constantly bringing home cloth swatches to redecorate the den but couldn’t decide on what it wanted. Eventually, you settle on something and live with it.

    And all that comes with it.”

    “I didn’t really know coming into the game if I was going to play,” Mays said. “Every game I just prepare myself. Tonight, I got a chance, and I just stepped up.”

    Translation: “I really have no idea what’s going on. I don’t know what my role on this team is. Figuring this stuff out is harder than advanced calculus. I probably only played because another was supposedly in trouble for something. Glad I was ready tonight. Coach said I had been playing really good in practice recently and that’s where you earn time – but I never played. I don’t know.”

    Yes, Mays said exactly what he should say in that situation and you’d hope all the rest of the players would feel the same way. But to all of a sudden play major minutes in a tournament after playing none in the previous 9 games of the season has to come as quite a shock to the system.

    I was giving the staff the benefit of the doubt on the “guys earn time in practice” mantra, but then after Mays’ performance one of the first things said was how well he had been practicing … yet no time. Confusing.

    A lot of folks wanted a shorter bench and a set rotation – and that happened for the most part. But there’s obviously still some confusion or even mismanagement about how to implement it and how to dole out time.

    I really and truly believe that the players bought in this season in so far as not making excuses and doing what the coach says (that probably wasn’t the case last season). If that’s true, then all the accountability lies at the top.

  21. Sam92 03/13/2009 at 8:31 AM #

    we’re all pissed off, and rightly so, but i don’t know what difference any of it will make – the chancellor and board of trustees have been happy with lee’s mediocrity for years and i don’t see them changing any time soon. if sid goes, lee would be the one replacing him (disaster). but even if lee goes, the same board of trustees and chancellor who have accepted his performance would be looking for his replacement; i have no confidence in their ability to bring in a winner. it’s too bad for tom o’brien, too. he’s a quality guy, but without good leadership supporting him, i wonder about his prospects for success.

  22. Rick 03/13/2009 at 8:38 AM #

    “we’re all pissed off, and rightly so, but i don’t know what difference any of it will make – the chancellor and board of trustees have been happy with lee’s mediocrity for years and i don’t see them changing any time soon”

    That’s the thing. I am not mad.
    I know that nothing is going to change because, as you so rightly put it, they are happy with what Lee had done.

  23. thekind 03/13/2009 at 8:40 AM #

    I am disillusioned that so many of you all think that Sid should get one more year. We play ZERO defense under Sid. No defense, no effort, no hustle…
    nothing.
    One more year of this crap and we are going to set the program back that much longer.

    We need to get rid of Fowler, find a basketball coach and then hopefully let the healing begin.
    The bottom line is that people are not gonna buy tickets to see this crap again next year.
    Heck, you could give me season ticket package and I still would not go.

  24. Noah 03/13/2009 at 8:45 AM #

    Nolan Richardson is probably done, but I did admire his “40 minutes of hell mentality” regarding all-out defensive pressure the entire game. Mookie Blaylock was a beast.

    Yes, he was…so much so that the original name of Pearl Jam was “Mookie Blaylock” and he’s the reason their first album was named “11.” But he played for Oklahoma and Billy Tubbs. Were you thinking of Lee Mayberry and Todd Day?

  25. Mike 03/13/2009 at 8:45 AM #

    I am sorry we lost, and frankly it was pitiful to watch #33 and #4.

    Now, I am tired of the whiners on this board (or any other) who even pretend to know what is going on. StateFans is by far the best blog around, and I am not being critical of the blog or its leaders.

    ALL season long, most of you complained about Javi and what a waste of a scholly he was. All of a sudden, Javi starts playing better and most of you think he is the best thing since sliced bread. Mays had a good game last night, and all of you are wondering where he has been all year. Go back and read your own posts, and you will figure it out. It’s the same people who were wondering why we gave Mays a scholly, as he was in over his head and he is the human turnover.

    Now to fall on my sword, all season long I have defended Sid and felt like positive progress was being made, even though it may not have been showing up in the W/L column. All of a sudden, we started winning, and the same ones who were calling for Sid’s head were praising him. After last night, I am now questioning his thinking. Where was Tracy? I honestly thought maybe he got hurt in the 1st half and the idiots Nessler and Dykes neglected to inform us. I wanted to reach into the TV on many occasions and pull out #33 and #4. Costner “trying” to post up was awful. He just stood there with a hand up, not even trying to get position or attempt to get open for the ball. That should have been Tracy. And how the heck do we leave those guys wide open all night for 3’s?

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