OTR: Predict Pack’s ACC Record (with bonus imbalanced schedule stats)

It’s that time of year again!  Time for you to go ‘On the Record’ with your Wolfpack perspectives and knowledge.

State opens the season tomorrow with an extremely difficult task on the road at Clemson (we’ve got your pre-game discussion)  And, the schedule doesn’t necessarily get THAT much easier.  You can view the imbalanced nature of the ACC’s schedule by clicking hereNote the following observation:

Pity poor N.C. State, who because of rivalries always draws UNC and Clemson twice a year, and this season has it compounded by facing BC twice and only getting road games against Duke and Clemson.

[Note: The author of ^that piece incorrectly referenced Clemson as NC State’s other natural rivalry. Wake Forest is actually NC State’s other partner for two games each season.]

If only that observation was a new observation!  This is the fourth season of the conference’s imbalanced schedule and our own VaWolf has historically does a fantastic job of crunching the data.  (For more detail click here and also feel free to click through the links to past entries.)

The following is the breakdown of the conference strength of schedule over the last three years.  Herb Sendek coached NC State in 2006; Sidney Lowe is entering his third season as the Wolfpack’s Head Coach.

The Wolfpack’s ACC schedule this year shapes up as follows:

January 10 at Clemson
January 13 Florida State
January 17 Georgia Tech
January 20 at Duke
January 24 at Boston College
January 27 Miami (FL)
January 31 North Carolina
February 8 at Virginia Tech
February 11 Wake Forest
February 14 at Georgia Tech
February 18 at North Carolina
February 21 Virginia
February 26 at Wake Forest
March 1 Maryland
March 4 Boston College
March 7 at Miami (FL)

We’ll go with the following:

Sure losses: at Clemson, at Duke, at UNC, at Wake, UNC (0-4)

Probable loss: Wake (0-1)

Toss ups:  the remaining 11 games

Splitting the remaining 11 games equally and with a bias to defending the home court would lead to the following toss-up wins:

  1. Georgia Tech
  2. Florida State
  3. Virginia
  4. @VT or @GT or @ BC (win one of these three)
  5. Boston College
  6. Maryland 

If the Wolfpack can hold serve in a manner that puts us anywhere close to the above scenario then the following three games become the “swing/defining games” on the schedule:

  1. Miami in Raleigh
  2. Game #2 of the @VT or @GT or @ BC
  3. Game #3 of the @VT or @GT or @ BC

Coupling this schedule with what we know about the composition of this NC State roster and the importance of guard play in college basketball…then a 6-10 record should serve as an acceptable baseline with a 7-9 record or 5-11 record within the realm of possibility.  Anything more or less would serve as a surprise.

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58 Responses to OTR: Predict Pack’s ACC Record (with bonus imbalanced schedule stats)

  1. Wulfpack 01/09/2009 at 8:13 PM #

    6-10.

    As far as how I see the conference lining up, I really like UNC at #1, Wake at #2, Duke at #3 and Clemson at #4. Surprise team will be UVA, though not nearly good enough to qualify for the tourney. The bust is GT and Hewitt is a gonner (it’s been a long time coming).

    BJD, Nolan Smith beat out Paulus for the starting position due to his defensive ability, but Paulus is still a factor offensively for Duke. Leave the guy open, especially at Cameron, and he’ll burn you when you least expect it. The way Duke plays, K is rotating his guards often.

    Duke takes the ACC tourney.

  2. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 01/09/2009 at 10:18 PM #

    My prediction is that I will continue to hold out hope that the team ill come together, a leader will emerge. I’m sure I’ll will hopeful and disappointed throughout the next two months.

    I will think the string of injuries must be behind us, as I have since Robinson’s second season.

    I still think that Sid is a very good recruiter, motivator, person and a good game day coach. We will all have to wait and see if he has what it takes to build a winning program.

    I guess this means that I’ll be thinking State will win every game and know that State will never be accused of running up the score.

  3. JeremyH 01/09/2009 at 10:59 PM #

    6-10, leaving the door open to be pleasantly surprised, which would be 8-8.

  4. Trip 01/09/2009 at 11:07 PM #

    I have made a point to watch the other teams play “bigger” games such as our Marquette/Florida games this season… from what I’ve seen.

    January 10 at Clemson – Loss… probably an embarrassment unless we’ve figured out how to break a press.
    January 13 Florida State – Win. They just aren’t good.
    January 17 Georgia Tech – Win. Same as above
    January 20 at Duke – Huge loss. They have lineups that have literally 5 players on the court that can dribble penetrate if Zoubek is sitting. I am delighted to see we only play them once as they probably are the team that we match up with worst this year.
    January 24 at Boston College – We’ll win. BC just caught UNC on a bad day, other than Ricey they are a bad team.
    January 27 Miami (FL) – Toss up, but I’ll go with a win because I’m optimistic.
    January 31 North Carolina – hahahahaha loss
    February 8 at Virginia Tech – we have VT’s number and they have been sucking this year in games against good teams.
    February 11 Wake Forest – loss
    February 14 at Georgia Tech – Win.
    February 18 at North Carolina – loss
    February 21 Virginia – Win. They are just TRASH.
    February 26 at Wake Forest – Loss
    March 1 Maryland – Win. Maryland is pretty bad.
    March 4 Boston College – Win
    March 7 at Miami (FL) – Loss

    I’m coming up with 9-7… Thank the lord that the ACC has some bad teams and that we play GT twice. Take out my optimistic win over Miami and we’re 8-8. I’m going to go with 8-8 as my final prediction.
    However, we will not make the NCAA with 8-8 because of the fact that all of our wins will be over teams that will not be in the tournament, so we’ll need Marquette/Florida/Davidson to beat the crap out of everyone they play and hope for mercy.

    The sad thing is that 8-8/9-7 is THE ceiling unless we suddenly gain the services of 2 good guards. The difference between the top 4/5 in the ACC and the rest of the ACC is ridiculous this year. If our guards just don’t show up, even in their average form, we could easily go 3-13 with wins over UVA and GT.

  5. old13 01/09/2009 at 11:45 PM #

    I predict that during the ACC BB season Foulup will continue to embarrass NCSU with his lack-of management skills and self-promoting PR ploys, and Old-Mediocre-Finger/Bored Governors will continue to do nothing about it. And the BB team will be 5-11 in ACC play.

  6. JimValvano 01/10/2009 at 12:36 AM #

    I looked at the schedule and thought 6-10, but then I read others comments before posting mine and surprisingly at the most pessimistic of all NCSU boards…I now feel more optimistic. I think 5-11 is our floor. I think we could end up at our ceiling of 9-7. If you go between the two you get 7-9…which I’m gonna go with as my official prediction for the ACC season. My final ACC rankings prediction…looks like this.

    1. Tarholes
    2. Dookies
    3. Wake Florists
    4. Clempson
    5. Miami
    6. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
    7. N.C. State
    8. Do you find it weird they admit to doing the “hokie pokie”
    9. Semenholes
    10. Bwostin Callidge
    11. Georgia Tech
    12. Virginia

  7. JimValvano 01/10/2009 at 12:39 AM #

    I looked at the schedule and thought 6-10, but then I read others comments before posting mine and surprisingly at the most pessimistic of all NCSU boards…I now feel more optimistic. I think 5-11 is our floor. I think we could end up at our ceiling of 9-7. If you go between the two you get 7-9…which I’m gonna go with as my official prediction for the ACC season. My final ACC rankings prediction…looks like this.

    1. Tarholes
    2. Dookies
    3. Wake Florists
    4. Clempson
    5. Miami
    6. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
    7. N.C. State
    8. Do you find it weird they admit to doing the “hokie pokie”
    9. Souns like SeaMenHoles
    10. Bwostin Callidge
    11. Georgia Tech
    12. Virginia

    (previous comment was awaiting moderation…sorry for the double post if it so happens)

  8. JeremyH 01/10/2009 at 1:09 AM #

    Josh Powell just had 10 pts in 18 minutes for the Lakers tonight..
    JJ Redick had 15 pts in 20 minutes for the Magic also.

    and this is unexpected news from Julius Hodge:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/01/09/2462215.htm?section=sport

  9. JeremyH 01/10/2009 at 1:10 AM #

    Josh Powell just had 10 pts in 18 minutes for the Lakers tonight..
    JJ Redick had 15 pts in 20 minutes for the Magic also.

    and this is unexpected news from Julius Hodge:
    dub dub dub dot abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/01/09/2462215.htm?section=sport

  10. Trip 01/10/2009 at 1:34 AM #

    They let ole’ Redick play? They must have been beating the shit out of the Oklahoma city thunder or something.

    Unrelated, but people who visit gopack.com must not watch a lot of wolfpack basketball games. Here’s the poll on there now.

    Who will lead the NC State men’s basketball in scoring this year?
    Brandon Costner 39.6%
    Farnold Degand 1.3%
    Courtney Fells 39.5%
    Ben McCauley 16.3%
    Other 3.2%
    (7179 votes)
    Fells ? Really? I’d like to think that my one vote pushed Costner from a 39.5% tie to #1, because it’s absurd that anyone thinks that Fells, who is consistently inconsistent will lead the Wolfpack in scoring in anything other than a 30 point loss to Duke. However, I’m glad that only 75 people believe that Degand will lead us in scoring because his 5 pts per game average so far certainly have him in the lead!

  11. Astral Rain 01/10/2009 at 4:17 AM #

    6-10, NIT 5 seed

  12. b 01/10/2009 at 5:58 AM #

    I’ll go in for 8-8, there will be an upset of Wake, and Md and BC have shown they can lose to just about anybody. I don’t buy into VT, despite Basketball Grobe, and FSU almost always looks sloppy against us.

    Mays has some talent, he will get better as he gets used to high level talent. T Smith will be a horse by the end of the year and will see more and more minutes.

    We will be a scary second day matchup for somebody in the ACCT after winning from the sixth seed, before we get ready for the NIT run. We bow out a win away from the Garden to the eventual….champion?, and the hype begins for next year’s classic letdown season.

  13. Daily Update 01/10/2009 at 6:37 AM #

    5-11

  14. Trip 01/10/2009 at 6:48 AM #

    “We will be a scary second day matchup for somebody in the ACCT after from the sixth seed, before we get ready for the NIT run. We bow out a win away from the Garden to the eventual….champion?, and the hype begins for next year’s classic letdown season.”

    Unless one of our guards starts limping around on one good hamstring I fail to see this happening again. Now… if Mays pulls a hammy and sits out for a month… then I might believe there is some sidney magic about to happen ultimately leading to Mays playing in europe next year and us landing Favors who steals all of smith/costners minutes and then leads to chemistry issues … and.. oh shit. Make the circle stop!

    I haven’t seen any outlandish predictions yet, where’s the 16-0 with a final four run and then having Foulup take all the credit for his wise hire?

  15. BSIE80 01/10/2009 at 8:06 AM #

    I thought my 10-6, +/-5 was outlandish enough (15-1 or 5-11)
    15-1, one loss to Carolina and we beat everyone else.
    McCauley elevates to All-American status, averages 28 pts and 15 rebounds per game
    Mays elevates to All Acc rookie of yr with 10 pts and 12 assists/game, 6/1 turnover ratio
    Ferguson All ACC 1st team, 18 pts/game + 6 assists/game, leads conference in 3 pt shooting
    Fells and Horner get injuried out for year, Johnny Thomas emerges as a steady role player at the 3 position
    Costner All ACC 2nd team, 15 pts and 7 rebounds/game, explodes in a couple of games for 30 pts as necessary
    Tracy gets 6 man of the year, learns to play the 3 position and allows us to go big win needed
    We win 4 games with last second shot all by Ferguson
    Fowler gets extension and more cash

    5-11, we beat GT twice, Maryland, Virginia, VT
    Costner remains hot & cold all year (15 pts & 7 rebounds) misses 3 game winning shots
    McCauley plays steady (15 pts & 7 rebounds)
    Fells good and bad (12 pts, 4 turnovers) hits game winner vs. VT
    Ferguson gets abused by ACC guards, shoots ok from 3 range, just can’t get off enough shots
    Mays/Degand/Javier play up and down all year (6 pts, 4 assists & 6 turnovers/game)
    Horner gets burned all year, has an occasional decent game
    JT and CJ Williams play very little all year
    Tracy gives us 1 pt a minute all year and improves FT shooting
    We lose 4 games by end of game play, we get blowed out in 5 games, and keep the other 2 games close
    Fowler is fired at the end of the season and replaced by Bill Cowher

  16. wolfonthehill 01/10/2009 at 8:17 AM #

    I’m going 5-11… and I unfortunately see more downside risk than upside potential unless these guys can learn, in Big Ben’s terms, “how to win”.

    They won’t have a problem keeping most games close (today’s game being one POTENTIAL exception)… but in end-of-game situations, other teams have seen the formula. Break us down with guards when they have the ball, cover BC when we have it… and we’ll hand the game away.

  17. Trip 01/10/2009 at 8:27 AM #

    Oh, sorry… I missed that prediction. The 2nd prediction is completely possible, even probable. The first one sounds outlandish enough to count in my book… just needs an emotional story, a tragedy to hit the team… someone that gets hurt (Horner), and then comes back for a big game (Carolina) ahead of schedule to lead us to a beautiful win full of emotion. We went on to be ACC Tournament champs and win in the NCAA championship game to Herb Sendek’s Sun Devils.

    I tattoo Horner’s name and jersey number to my upper right arm inside a basketball with flames around it and show it to my kids in 10 years telling them that’s when NC State returned to the top of the ACC, and that they should follow the family lineage and go to NC State as well. I then let out a painful tear when I notice in the admissions brochure that there is a 8 foot tall statue of a 5 foot tall man in the middle of the brickyard… Fowler…

    Although, I do believe Thomas is going to be a good player for us one day. I like that kid, I’ve heard too many good things about him so I’m hoping that the knee injury doesn’t linger.

  18. Alpha Wolf 01/10/2009 at 8:37 AM #

    I’m on the road, and have a shoddy ‘Net connection, but I will go with 6-10 with one big upset. I think that this team is better than they have thus far shown and I think that barring injury they will be more dangerous in February when they learn how to close the deal.

    I am not expecting a lot this year and won’t be disappointed with any result save for a total collapse.

    Our time will come, it’s just not now.

  19. questiontheanswers 01/10/2009 at 9:11 AM #

    I have been a ticket holder sence the esa opened. was in school during the dark years (mike ocain & Less R) we have the worst guard play of all so 6-10 is where i stand.

  20. Cardiac95 01/10/2009 at 10:11 AM #

    I’m stretching to see us get to 4-12. Wouldn’t be too surprised with + or – 1 game from there.

    6 wins would be huge based on all of this season’s results around the conference.

  21. packer74 01/10/2009 at 10:18 AM #

    6-10. Haven’t observed anything in the team’s play thus far that would get them much more. In the three losses to legit teams, too many turnovers and poor 3pt shooting (except Marquette) stick out. Not much improvement from the last season.

  22. BladenWolf 01/10/2009 at 10:23 AM #

    Put me down for 5-11, with an NIT bid as a sixth seed. My rationale is all of the above.

    No quality guard play in the ACC = losing season (in conference play), plus the typical Pack season of a magnificent road win coupled with two or three home collapses…

    UNC and BC’s guard play scares the hell out of me and we are NOT playing against Paulus at Duke this year so count that upset out…then there is the fragility/inconsistancy of our bigs.

    I hope Sid can work up some “Valvano magic” and get our guys to “believe” this season or it will be a long one.

  23. Dr. BadgerPack 01/10/2009 at 11:43 AM #

    This is a tough season to predict– we’ve already discussed State’s guard problems ad nauseum. Many other schools have guard issues as well; so it will come down to who catches on the quickest.

    Highlighting some of the other schools difficulties are the bad losses most of them have. A nice improvement over last season is we don’t have a bad loss yet– disappointing losses, yes, but no bad ones. That at least provides a glimmer of hope for the conference season.

    State has a 1-1 road record this season, and an 0-1 on what I’ll file as neutral court. The loss at Florida was in front of a ridiculously loud crowd, and supercedes what will be seen in at least some road conference games. Hopefully, it was an experience the guys can learn from.

    I’m lazy this morning, but it would be interesting to see how many mid and lower tier teams we catch after (a) rivalry games and (b) matchups with UNC/Duke. BC has shown let down games can and will happen.

    With all that, I’ll be cautiously optimistic and go 2-6 in the first 8, and 5-3 in the second 8 for a 7-9 overall record. I’m projecting improvement by Mays over the course of the season and the corresponding increase in guard performance that will come along with that.

  24. tvopack 01/10/2009 at 11:44 AM #
  25. harrisek 01/10/2009 at 5:15 PM #

    My prediction, which I came up with before the Clemson game, is 4-12 if we get a lot of breaks. This team is too soft for the ACC.

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