2007.03.20_ Big Dose of Bytes

The last week or so has been very good for NC State. We’ve blogged a ton of items and hope that you will take some time to scroll through the blog and make sure that you haven’t missed anything that of interest. Just this weekend we had almost a dozen entries that looked forward and looked back.

Even though we have been quite busy, a lot of comments/observations have fallen through the cracks. The following are some quick bytes that haven’t been shared since the ACC Tournament:

* Much is being made about the ACC’s poor performance in the NCAA Tournament. Although I think the ACC was the most competitive and deepest conference in America (as highlighted by the RPI), the conference’s failure to advance more than one program into the sweet sixteen does not surprise me. We were very deep this season, but it was never a secret that we lacked the “star power” at the top of the league to advance a lot of teams deep into the tournament.

* Despite the league’s struggles this season, you can always turn to history boost the ego. Dave Glenn logged an entry focused on the ACC’s dominance of the modern tournament history that will make you feel better. Just a couple to wet your whistle:

The ACC’s all-time NCAA Tournament winning percentage (.674) is significantly better than any other conference. The Big East (.625) is second, the Big Ten (.621) third and the Pac-10 (.609) fourth. Nobody else is over 60 percent.

Since 1980, when the NCAA lifted its limits on the number of participants per conference, the ACC has had just one losing season in NCAA Tournament play (5-6 in 1987) and has a success rate over 66 percent. Again, nobody else is close.

Since the field expanded to 64 teams in 1985, the ACC has had 111 teams in the NCAA Tournament, about the same as the Big East (116). Yet the ACC has 221 wins in that span — 35 more than the Big East. The Big Ten has had 124 participants since 1985 yet has 42 fewer wins. The SEC, with 110 participants, has 61 fewer wins. The Pac-10 has less than half as many NCAA wins as the ACC in the modern era. Since the Big 12 formed in 1996, it trails the ACC 96-72.

The ACC has won three of the last six (50 percent) national championships, with three different teams — Duke in 2001, Maryland in 2002, and North Carolina in 2005. The league also has won six of the last 16 (37.5 percent) NCAA titles, and eight of the last 25 (32 percent).

* UNC-CH had to play ABOVE their normal game to beat us in the Atlantic Coast Conference Championship. That’s a compliment, folks.

* The selection of Brendan Wright over Brandon Costner as the ACC Tournament’s MVP was ridiculous. I realize to the victor goes the spoils, except that I remember in 1983 when NC State won the NCAA title and yet Akeem was the Final 4 MVP. I guess only NC State gets a shaft like that.

* It was interesting to hear that many, many VT fans were pulling for UNC in the ACC. Tells you that they are indeed a newcomer and don’t understand basketball in their new league. I had heard that many VT folks were ‘VT football fans but UNC basketball fans’ – guess that was true.

* If I could have chosen the (non-Big Four) team for NC State to sweep this season then it would have been Virginia Tech. As I said in a comment on February 1st:

As likable as Seth Greenburg is, his propensity to publicly comment on NC State’s coaching situation (Herb Sendek) last year really rubbed me the wrong way. He talked A LOT on Fox Sports radio, etc about the situation in Raleigh and was too critical of Wolfpackers for my liking. IMHO, he would have been better served to have kept his mouth shut. In 2005, Greenberg defeated a deep and experienced Wolfpack coached Herb Sendek in their first battle in Cassell Coliseum. In 2007, Greenberg lost a thin and inexperienced Wolfpack team coached by Sidney Lowe. I guess I don’t blame him for loving Sendek so much.

* One of the biggest winners of the last two weeks has been Dennis Horner. The kid is making some clutch shots and is learning how to create his own shot more easily in the flow of the offense. Costner is a given, but Horner will be a critical role player over the next few years.

* The other big winner is obviously Sidney Lowe. Some are comparing Sid’s run to Herb’s in 1997 in believe that this will put some additional pressure on Sidney to produce better results more quickly. That may be true, but I also think that Sidney is more prepared to elevate the program more quickly because of his recruiting philosophy differs from Sendek’s. In addition to his communication style with players and his inability to coach offense, Sendek struggled for his next 4 years because he effectively ignored North Carolina High School talent and opted to cash his ‘rising star’ chips on kids with no local ties like Adam Harrington. When something goes wrong for kids like these, their first instinct is to transfer as they have nothing binding them to the area or the school. This created significant turmoil and trouble in Sendek’s tenure. Coach Lowe has already shown that NC kids are an important cog in his philosophy (Johnny Thomas, CJ Williams, and even Tracy Smith). Te stability that these kids will create in addition to huge marketing boost fromt he last couple of weeks will serve Sidney well.

* Sidney became THE story over the last few weeks, which is much different than when Herb did this in 1997. College coaches are stars, they are mega-stars when they win big (Roy, K). Lowe has elevated himself in the national media tremendously over the past 4 days. His exposure and recognition factors have grown exponentionally – its not a Amex (K) or Coke (Roy) commercial, but the red jacket and Sid Lowe scored major points in the visibility factor.

* That will help tremendously in recruiting. We arent going to be stealing players from Roy and K, but many of those will at least look at Sid, and I think he’s already elevated himself to the #3 or #4 in the ACC in terms of visibility.

* Its funny, Gary Walters talked about the unbalanced Big 12 schedule on why Texas Tech got into the NCAA over K-State. I don’t give a shit about either team, but did the committee look at UVA’s unbalanced ACC schedule when they gave them a 4 seed despite their RPI that indicated they would be somehere around an 8 or 9 seed? They had the EASIEST schedule within the ACC. They completely folded down the stretch, losing to Miami, Wake and NC State in 3 of their last 4 games. (All 100+ RPI teams). Yet, they get a 4 seed? With an RPI if 52?

* Piece of advice – if you use a computer program (Yahoo, ESPN, etc) to track your NCAA Tournament brackets, ALWAYS re-check to make sure that your edits/changes have been saved properly. I made some changes to be bracket in SFN’s Yahoo Group that ultimately did not save. Of course, most of the changes would have been positive for me and would have put me tied for first place. Oh well.

* F- Wes Miller and Ty Lawson

* The ACC’s poor performance in the NCAA will hurt all of our checkbooks in the coming years. This is a GREAT article explaining he NCAA’s impact on ACC finances.

* Of course, what would a game day be without Section Six’s preview?

There is a certain amount of comfort that comes with playing West Virginia, comfort that is derived from this fact: the Mountaineers suck at rebounding just as much as we do. It’s like finding a familiar face in a foreign town. “Boy am I glad to see you!”

Those other teams, they’re tough. But not you, sweet, sweet West Virginia. Not you. You kindly offer opponents their missed shots while keeping none of your own for yourself.

When we played WVU back in early December, we had one of our best offensive rebounding performances of the season, grabbing 37% of our misses. Mountaineer opponents have posted an OR% over 40.0 eleven times this season (Wolfpack opponents have done it seven times). West Virginia has at least managed some improvement at the offensive end, upping its OR% from 21.3% to 30.4% this season. That’s still terrible, but it’s a step up from inept (and it’s better than our OR%).

With the two teams shooting and rebounding about the same in the first meeting, turnovers meant the difference. NC State turned the ball over 17 times (nine of those were Gavin’s) while WVU gave it away seven times

06-07 Basketball General

200 Responses to 2007.03.20_ Big Dose of Bytes

  1. noah 03/20/2007 at 11:20 AM #

    I am reasonably certain that it wasn’t Gibbons who was talking about Washburn and John Thompson. I really think it was Oettinger. He was the guy who put out the quarterly that I subscribed to.

    I still have those somewhere. There’s a box somewhere around that has all of my ACC handbooks and Street and Smith’s going back to 1975.

  2. skywalkerdt 03/20/2007 at 11:23 AM #

    as to dt’s drug usage- remember this was a kid from a tiny country town before there was much drug education who was suddenly in the big city spotlight, it was a hard luck situation that unfortunately got the best of someone who might otherwise still be considered better than jordan even at the nba level.

    recruiting – attitudes count if players see fans not expecting to be able to beat unc/duke (at recruiting or on the court) what confidence does that give them that they can come to state and do it? expect that when state gets into a recruiting battle with one of them that they can and will win. confidence means a lot!!!

  3. noah 03/20/2007 at 11:27 AM #

    Isn’t it amazing that there was such a thirst for recruiting info and it went totally untapped until the Internet showed up?

    IN FACT…I just remembered I had this. It’s a N&O article from 5/15/1983 by Tom Harris, titled “Experts Nuts over Picking Top Basketball Prospects.” And there’s a picture of Brick Oettinger and Bob Gibbons right there.

    The N&Os top 25 Blue Chip Printout (with a little graphic of a fake computer paper):

    Steve Alford
    Tom Amaker
    Winston Bennett
    James Blackmon
    Mark Cline
    Rob Cornegay
    Thomas Curry
    Henry Dalrymple
    Frank Ford
    Harold Jenson
    Kennard Johnson
    Antoine Joubert
    Carl Pollard
    Dave Popson
    Tom Sheehy
    Marty Simmons
    Kenny Smith
    Barry Sumpter
    Quincy Turner
    Paul Van Den Einde
    Dwayne Washington
    Rico Washington
    Reggie Williams
    Ricky Winslow
    Joe Wolf

  4. noah 03/20/2007 at 11:31 AM #

    And here’s a nice little chestnut:

    “Clemson badly needed a good recruiting year but didn’t have it. Coach Bill Foster managed just two signees — 6-8 twins Harvey and Horace Grant from Hancock Central High School in Sparta, Ga.”

    yeah, those guys suck.

    The piece also mentions Russell Pierre as a “thurl bailey type” forward. I remember Pierre as a guy who couldn’t shoot if his life depended on it…but was a decent rebounder.

  5. redfred2 03/20/2007 at 11:33 AM #

    “Listen to my truth and believe it and you will finally understand. Just like I told you if we had given Herb a few more years he would have gotten us to that glorious promised land. This year is proof of that. Look how succesful his players have been.
    If they had been running the Princeotn offense (as they were recruited to) then they would have averaged about 82 ppg while shooting 57.6% from the field. It was the “destiny” year this year.”

    Cedar, you are a hoot. But one thing you forgot to take into account is that we haven’t shot anywhere close to 57.6% from three point land, and also we have out rebounded some teams along the way in this particular season.

  6. chris92heel 03/20/2007 at 11:34 AM #

    Remember how the ACC handbooks would have the big recruiting section at the end and how you could actually read about guys and how they did in camp?

    I have a bunch of old Street and Smiths and ACC handbooks stacked away somewhere.

    Back in those days, only super geeks like Noah and I really followed recruiting. Now everyone knows whats going on. I feel cheated.

  7. skywalkerdt 03/20/2007 at 11:39 AM #

    ahhh the days where most of us relied on the acc handbook to tell us about what had happened for the YEAR in recruiting…

  8. westwolf 03/20/2007 at 11:41 AM #

    redfred2…that is one of the funniest posts I’ve read in a long time. I’ll leave to someone else to explain why.

  9. noah 03/20/2007 at 11:42 AM #

    “Back in those days, only super geeks like Noah and I really followed recruiting.”

    My friends and I would have pickup games where we would BE the teams in the ACC for the next season. We’d be scouring the ACC Handbook to find out what the rosters were going to be.

    “Okay, you’re Terry Shackleford. I’ll be Lorenzo Charles. That’s fair, right?”

  10. beowolf 03/20/2007 at 11:43 AM #

    Herb could have gotten his playerss from the moon

    And the upside would be, he could have spoken their language!

  11. noah 03/20/2007 at 11:43 AM #

    Actual conversation with a Terp friend: “Jay Bias is going to be awesome! He’ll totally resurrect the program. He and Steve Hood are going to rule the ACC!”

    I don’t know if that’s funny or tragic or both.

  12. redfred2 03/20/2007 at 11:45 AM #

    (“the offense too smart for a normal man”).

    I am normal after all. Thanks Cedar.

    I know you think they’re sooo good that we can’t hope to compete with them (like we just did) but I didn’t here were a bunch of genius’ playing defense for Duke and UNC over the past decade.

    And…Cedric Simmons’ abilities were definitely “highlighted” in that offense.

  13. redfred2 03/20/2007 at 11:47 AM #

    “…I didn’t hear where”

  14. westwolf 03/20/2007 at 11:47 AM #

    ^red, you just don’t get it do you? Will someone please help him out?

  15. skywalkerdt 03/20/2007 at 11:49 AM #

    i can’t help it, as regards cedar don’t worry about it, whether he’s actually a duck or bleeds homoblue or if his confidence is shot from years of being turned down by even the ugliest women who knows but he’s an example of someone with no real appreciation for the winning tradition of wolfpack basketball

  16. westwolf 03/20/2007 at 11:51 AM #

    ^This just gets better.

  17. BoKnowsNCS71 03/20/2007 at 11:55 AM #

    Noah — Len Bias is who I think your Terp man meant. Unless he was thiniking about that “Dook Boy” commercial on ESPN for Bilas.

  18. redfred2 03/20/2007 at 11:55 AM #

    Anyway, I would seriously like to think about tonight, so cedar, could you possibly run along on over to the shrine of the ASU Sun Devils for a while.

  19. joe 03/20/2007 at 11:56 AM #

    I think the black recruting guy on WPTF was named Hulan Pickett. Gibbons was the 1st recruiting “expert” to be big on the radio and Oettinger was 2nd.

    I think it’s bizarre how some people are more into recruting than the actual sport.

  20. lush 03/20/2007 at 11:57 AM #

    are we confusing cedar blockhead w/ cedar grove?????

  21. BoKnowsNCS71 03/20/2007 at 11:58 AM #

    Fred — you are fedding a troll. lol

  22. redfred2 03/20/2007 at 12:01 PM #

    I’m serious cedar, go to the ASU site and put your word out there. You SHOULD have a majority of like thinking ASU fans out there. Please give us a report on how well it goes.

  23. chris92heel 03/20/2007 at 12:03 PM #

    “I think the black recruting guy on WPTF was named Hulan Pickett”
    Yes! Thanks.

    This thread has me thinking back to one of my best buddies in HS – the ONLY guy who followed recruiting closer than I did – he’s a state fan. Noah, your name isn’t Ron is it? 😉

  24. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 03/20/2007 at 12:04 PM #

    He may of been mentioned earlier but who was the PG out from the area that Herb didn’t go after that eventually went to Clemson? Herb also lost out of Shav to K after it was pretty clear that Randolph had pretty much wanted to go to State from the time he was a kid.

  25. branjawn 03/20/2007 at 12:08 PM #

    Random note: Cullen Jones swims in the World Championships next week in Australia. Will be on Fox Sports I think Monday – Saturday.

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