2007.03.20_ Big Dose of Bytes

The last week or so has been very good for NC State. We’ve blogged a ton of items and hope that you will take some time to scroll through the blog and make sure that you haven’t missed anything that of interest. Just this weekend we had almost a dozen entries that looked forward and looked back.

Even though we have been quite busy, a lot of comments/observations have fallen through the cracks. The following are some quick bytes that haven’t been shared since the ACC Tournament:

* Much is being made about the ACC’s poor performance in the NCAA Tournament. Although I think the ACC was the most competitive and deepest conference in America (as highlighted by the RPI), the conference’s failure to advance more than one program into the sweet sixteen does not surprise me. We were very deep this season, but it was never a secret that we lacked the “star power” at the top of the league to advance a lot of teams deep into the tournament.

* Despite the league’s struggles this season, you can always turn to history boost the ego. Dave Glenn logged an entry focused on the ACC’s dominance of the modern tournament history that will make you feel better. Just a couple to wet your whistle:

The ACC’s all-time NCAA Tournament winning percentage (.674) is significantly better than any other conference. The Big East (.625) is second, the Big Ten (.621) third and the Pac-10 (.609) fourth. Nobody else is over 60 percent.

Since 1980, when the NCAA lifted its limits on the number of participants per conference, the ACC has had just one losing season in NCAA Tournament play (5-6 in 1987) and has a success rate over 66 percent. Again, nobody else is close.

Since the field expanded to 64 teams in 1985, the ACC has had 111 teams in the NCAA Tournament, about the same as the Big East (116). Yet the ACC has 221 wins in that span — 35 more than the Big East. The Big Ten has had 124 participants since 1985 yet has 42 fewer wins. The SEC, with 110 participants, has 61 fewer wins. The Pac-10 has less than half as many NCAA wins as the ACC in the modern era. Since the Big 12 formed in 1996, it trails the ACC 96-72.

The ACC has won three of the last six (50 percent) national championships, with three different teams — Duke in 2001, Maryland in 2002, and North Carolina in 2005. The league also has won six of the last 16 (37.5 percent) NCAA titles, and eight of the last 25 (32 percent).

* UNC-CH had to play ABOVE their normal game to beat us in the Atlantic Coast Conference Championship. That’s a compliment, folks.

* The selection of Brendan Wright over Brandon Costner as the ACC Tournament’s MVP was ridiculous. I realize to the victor goes the spoils, except that I remember in 1983 when NC State won the NCAA title and yet Akeem was the Final 4 MVP. I guess only NC State gets a shaft like that.

* It was interesting to hear that many, many VT fans were pulling for UNC in the ACC. Tells you that they are indeed a newcomer and don’t understand basketball in their new league. I had heard that many VT folks were ‘VT football fans but UNC basketball fans’ – guess that was true.

* If I could have chosen the (non-Big Four) team for NC State to sweep this season then it would have been Virginia Tech. As I said in a comment on February 1st:

As likable as Seth Greenburg is, his propensity to publicly comment on NC State’s coaching situation (Herb Sendek) last year really rubbed me the wrong way. He talked A LOT on Fox Sports radio, etc about the situation in Raleigh and was too critical of Wolfpackers for my liking. IMHO, he would have been better served to have kept his mouth shut. In 2005, Greenberg defeated a deep and experienced Wolfpack coached Herb Sendek in their first battle in Cassell Coliseum. In 2007, Greenberg lost a thin and inexperienced Wolfpack team coached by Sidney Lowe. I guess I don’t blame him for loving Sendek so much.

* One of the biggest winners of the last two weeks has been Dennis Horner. The kid is making some clutch shots and is learning how to create his own shot more easily in the flow of the offense. Costner is a given, but Horner will be a critical role player over the next few years.

* The other big winner is obviously Sidney Lowe. Some are comparing Sid’s run to Herb’s in 1997 in believe that this will put some additional pressure on Sidney to produce better results more quickly. That may be true, but I also think that Sidney is more prepared to elevate the program more quickly because of his recruiting philosophy differs from Sendek’s. In addition to his communication style with players and his inability to coach offense, Sendek struggled for his next 4 years because he effectively ignored North Carolina High School talent and opted to cash his ‘rising star’ chips on kids with no local ties like Adam Harrington. When something goes wrong for kids like these, their first instinct is to transfer as they have nothing binding them to the area or the school. This created significant turmoil and trouble in Sendek’s tenure. Coach Lowe has already shown that NC kids are an important cog in his philosophy (Johnny Thomas, CJ Williams, and even Tracy Smith). Te stability that these kids will create in addition to huge marketing boost fromt he last couple of weeks will serve Sidney well.

* Sidney became THE story over the last few weeks, which is much different than when Herb did this in 1997. College coaches are stars, they are mega-stars when they win big (Roy, K). Lowe has elevated himself in the national media tremendously over the past 4 days. His exposure and recognition factors have grown exponentionally – its not a Amex (K) or Coke (Roy) commercial, but the red jacket and Sid Lowe scored major points in the visibility factor.

* That will help tremendously in recruiting. We arent going to be stealing players from Roy and K, but many of those will at least look at Sid, and I think he’s already elevated himself to the #3 or #4 in the ACC in terms of visibility.

* Its funny, Gary Walters talked about the unbalanced Big 12 schedule on why Texas Tech got into the NCAA over K-State. I don’t give a shit about either team, but did the committee look at UVA’s unbalanced ACC schedule when they gave them a 4 seed despite their RPI that indicated they would be somehere around an 8 or 9 seed? They had the EASIEST schedule within the ACC. They completely folded down the stretch, losing to Miami, Wake and NC State in 3 of their last 4 games. (All 100+ RPI teams). Yet, they get a 4 seed? With an RPI if 52?

* Piece of advice – if you use a computer program (Yahoo, ESPN, etc) to track your NCAA Tournament brackets, ALWAYS re-check to make sure that your edits/changes have been saved properly. I made some changes to be bracket in SFN’s Yahoo Group that ultimately did not save. Of course, most of the changes would have been positive for me and would have put me tied for first place. Oh well.

* F- Wes Miller and Ty Lawson

* The ACC’s poor performance in the NCAA will hurt all of our checkbooks in the coming years. This is a GREAT article explaining he NCAA’s impact on ACC finances.

* Of course, what would a game day be without Section Six’s preview?

There is a certain amount of comfort that comes with playing West Virginia, comfort that is derived from this fact: the Mountaineers suck at rebounding just as much as we do. It’s like finding a familiar face in a foreign town. “Boy am I glad to see you!”

Those other teams, they’re tough. But not you, sweet, sweet West Virginia. Not you. You kindly offer opponents their missed shots while keeping none of your own for yourself.

When we played WVU back in early December, we had one of our best offensive rebounding performances of the season, grabbing 37% of our misses. Mountaineer opponents have posted an OR% over 40.0 eleven times this season (Wolfpack opponents have done it seven times). West Virginia has at least managed some improvement at the offensive end, upping its OR% from 21.3% to 30.4% this season. That’s still terrible, but it’s a step up from inept (and it’s better than our OR%).

With the two teams shooting and rebounding about the same in the first meeting, turnovers meant the difference. NC State turned the ball over 17 times (nine of those were Gavin’s) while WVU gave it away seven times

06-07 Basketball General

200 Responses to 2007.03.20_ Big Dose of Bytes

  1. RickJ 03/20/2007 at 12:12 PM #

    “RickJ – A former Carolina fan or still one? You seem to be really up on all of their recruiting.”

    Never been a Carolina fan but it is embarrassing how much I know about NC State recruiting and how it relates to other schools.

    “One thing about a Carolina fan, they’ll tell you that any kid that signs w/ another school either couldn’t get in to school or they didn’t want him.”

    This is absolutely true. After Burleson signed, Carolina fans sang this tune rather loudly – all they wanted was Tom McMillan, didn’t want Burleson. That was complete hogwash. Dean tried like crazy to get him. It just doesn’t happen to be true regarding Washburn, John Thompson or Walker Lambiotte. Everybody knew John Thompson couldn’t play, including Valvano but he relented because Abatamarco wanted to sign another McDonald’s AA.

  2. redfred2 03/20/2007 at 12:12 PM #

    That was blockhead!!! What a butthole. I have to admit he’s good.

  3. joe 03/20/2007 at 12:15 PM #

    I remember in 79 Ralph Sampson had a press conference to announce his colllege choice – he was down to UVa or UNC. Somebody called WPTF and they had the info on the air that he picked UVa a few minutes after he made his pick.

  4. redfred2 03/20/2007 at 12:22 PM #

    I didn’t ever say it before, but if you had been looking at the recruiting reports over the past several years, the bulk of NCSU’s recruits were in line and always sandwiched in among the Wake Forest prospects. We may have recruited higher ranking prospects, but our success was basically on the level of Wake Forest.

  5. chris92heel 03/20/2007 at 12:23 PM #

    joe, Sampson was down to UVA and UK, though I think UNC made his final 3 or 4.

  6. joe 03/20/2007 at 12:29 PM #

    During the Sampson era the UNC-UVa matchup probably was the biggest rivalry in the ACC (or it was close to the biggest. )

    Of course the 82 ACC title game with the slowdown probably led to the ACC putting in a shot clock for 83 along with the 3 pointer.

  7. redfred2 03/20/2007 at 12:30 PM #

    BLOCKHEAD, I went back and read your post more closely, you are an arse hole. Not really to hard to do, but you had me going AGAIN there.

  8. Sw0rdf1sh 03/20/2007 at 12:34 PM #

    IS IT GAME TIME YET?

    It’s in the 70’s, we have a huge game, and I don’t want to work anymore because of both of those two……

    ….and at 9PM….the only good thing about it being that late is I don’t have to fight the wife over the Big Screen with American Idol.

  9. redfred2 03/20/2007 at 12:39 PM #

    When I see the word “cedar” my eyes glaze over and I go straight into the attack mode. But westwolf, you are on my s*t list too. You could have told me.

  10. thebigwood 03/20/2007 at 12:39 PM #

    just thinking about recruiting…has anyone heard anything else about Tracy Smith? Last I heard he might not be coming next season…

  11. redfred2 03/20/2007 at 12:41 PM #

    Uh oh…another tree has just entered the picture.

  12. BoKnowsNCS71 03/20/2007 at 12:44 PM #

    Must be the School of Forestry representin’

  13. choppack1 03/20/2007 at 12:44 PM #

    Show off time….
    Steve Alford – Indiana
    Tom Amaker – Duke
    Winston Bennett – Kentucky
    James Blackmon – Kansas State?
    Mark Cline – Wake Forest
    Rob Cornegay – UNK
    Thomas Curry – UNK
    Henry Dalrymple – Guessing this is GaTech’s “Bruce”
    Frank Ford – MO or KY?
    Harold Jenson – Villanova
    Kennard Johnson – UNK
    Antoine Joubert – Michigan – big time bust
    Carl Pollard – UNK
    Dave Popson – Keroliner – solid college career, but not the great prospect he was trumpeted as
    Tom Sheehy – UVa – of course, he was 25 when he enrolled so he couldn’t have much of an NBA career.
    Marty Simmons – UNK
    Kenny Smith – Keroliner
    Barry Sumpter – UNK
    Quincy Turner – UNK – maybe Kentucky?
    Paul Van Den Einde – UNK
    Dwayne Washington – Sorrycuse
    Rico Washington – UNK
    Reggie Williams – Georgetown – I believe he was the top rated player in this class, palyed at Dunbar.
    Ricky Winslow – UNK – I can’t remember – Oklahoma maybe?
    Joe Wolf – UNC…

    That’s w/out one google my friends.

  14. thebigwood 03/20/2007 at 12:45 PM #

    Easy Red, I am a good guy (ie genuine State fan) who mostly reads the blog for info…no agenda here

  15. noah 03/20/2007 at 12:46 PM #

    “Len Bias is who I think your Terp man meant.”

    Jay Bias. His younger brother. He was very highly regarded, but he didn’t qualify academically and ended up at Alleghany Community College.

    He was in Hyattsville in 1990 at a jewelry store. A man accused Bias of flirting with his wife (the saleslady) and shot him in the back and killed him.

    Steve Hood and Michael Tate were parade all americans who ended up following Lefty to James Madison. Hood was a damn good college player.

  16. BoKnowsNCS71 03/20/2007 at 12:48 PM #

    Ricky Winslow — Houston in the Phi Slamma Jamma teams.

  17. noah 03/20/2007 at 12:50 PM #

    James Blackmon – Kentucky
    Rob Cornegay – St. Johns
    Thomas Curry – LSU
    Frank Ford – Auburn
    Kennard Johnson – Western Kentucky
    Carl Pollard – BYU
    Marty Simmons – Indiana
    Barry Sumpter – Louisville
    Quincy Turner – Michigan
    Paul Van Den Einde – Minnesota
    Rico Washington – Did not sign
    Ricky Winslow – Houston

    You got the rest right. Pretty good.

  18. chris92heel 03/20/2007 at 12:54 PM #

    I wouldn’t call Joubert a big-time bust. He was a starter at michigan and was on some pretty good teams with Gary Grant and Tarpley. Solid player, double figure scorer and pretty good assist guy.

  19. noah 03/20/2007 at 12:57 PM #

    Michigan had a run there at the end of uhhh…the guy before Steve Fisher. The guy Bo ran off when he found out he was interviewing at Ariz. State.

    Damn, I’m completely blanking on his name.

    Anyway, he’s the guy who pulled in Tarpley, Grant, Loy Vaught, Glen Rice, Terry Mills, and Sean Higgins (top player in 1989, I think). They had great recruiting classes EVERY year.

  20. noah 03/20/2007 at 12:59 PM #

    Ah, and Rico Washington ended up at Gloucester Junior College.

    Rico Washington (Franklin) Class of 1983
    A Public League legend at Frankford when as a sophomore he was a starter on a team that made it to the league Championship. As a junior, he outplayed (37 points and 11 rebounds) Billy Thompson, nation’s top senior at Camden despite a 85-80 loss in the Pepsi Challenge. Was leading votegetter by the Public League Coaches Association twice. (As a junior at Frankford and a senior at Franklin.) After a solid career at Gloucester Junior College, Washington went on to star at Weber State. He scored 1,196 points in only two years. He averaged 22.1 points and 10.8 rebounds as a senior.

  21. PackMan97 03/20/2007 at 1:01 PM #

    Any chance you guys can post something about the women’s game?

    7:30p vs Baylor (2005 Champs)
    Tix are $16
    winner gets to the sweet 16
    this could be Yow’s last game as her battle with cancer is not good.

    This amazing woman deserves our support tonight! Be there or be a heel fan!

  22. noah 03/20/2007 at 1:01 PM #

    Barry Sumpter was a reserve at Louisville, transferred to Austin Peay and played on year in the NBA with the Clippers.

  23. chris92heel 03/20/2007 at 1:01 PM #

    Frieder

  24. noah 03/20/2007 at 1:04 PM #

    Frank Ford was apparently a decent player at Auburn. he got drafted in the seventh round by the Lakers.

  25. chris92heel 03/20/2007 at 1:09 PM #

    From the mid 80’s through the mid 90’s, Michigan probably landed more studs than any team in the country.

    They had the classes Noah listed above, the fab five obviously, then they followed that up a few years later with guys like louis bullock, tractor traylor, and Maurice Taylor.

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