Fanblogs: Reviewing the Top Candidates (Updated 3:30pm)

College football’s annual coaching carousel is in high gear and NC State is taking spin this year.

SFN has already blogged some commentary and analysis to set the table for some of our future entries. But, we don’t expect football coaching scoop to be quite as clear as the basketball scoop that we were able to analyze back in April because of the existence of the 3rd party search firm.

(By the way – SFN recently was privy to a complete debrief of the Wolfpack’s basketball search. What an amazing experience to hear all of the inside scoop and perspective. We walked away from the conversation surprised at just how damn accurate and timely we were with our coverage of the search. Even some things that we were somewhat unclear we ended up being closer than we even thought!)

Today, Fanblogs.com has blogged an entry reviewing top potential coaching candidates from around the country. South Florida’s
Jim Leavitt did not make Fanblogs’ initial list despite the expectation that he is sure to get some looks from some open jobs. (Not so sure about the fit at NC State. But, names like Leavitt are why you run a process and get to know multiple candidates.)

Red and White from State has taken the Fanblogs entry and expanded it with an NC State focus. Great work from these great guys!!!

If Bill Cowher ultimately accepts the Wolfpack’s job as he has indicated for years was something that held interest for him, then this list may not be of much interest to NC State fans.

If Paul Johnson is truly emerging with the kind of momentum that we hear, then this list may not be of much interest to NC State fans.

But, we love coaching carousels and don’t want to ignore anything that is going on out there, so we thought that we would share their list.

Other football coaching search related to comments:

* First, have to accept the not-so-hard-to-accept proposition that Bill Cowher is done in Pittsburgh at the end of this year. It is something that folks in Pittsburgh have generally accepted as this year has progressed. Additionally, the guy didn’t buy a house in Raleigh, join Northridge Country Club, and send his daughter to Ravenscroft because he was going to be living in Pittsburgh much longer. Or any other NFL city for that matter. Heck, just today the SteelCityInsider wrote the following:

First, Cowher’s contract isn’t extended during the off-season, which on its own is fine, but it’s created a mini-media storm that is stronger than ever 12 weeks into the season. Second, in the years Cowher has been in Pittsburgh, I have never seen him so unenthusiastic during games. It’d be one thing if he was Bill Belichick: a pensive, contemplative strategist who eschewed a lot of the rah-rah stuff. But Cowher isn’t that type of guy. He’s made his living as a player’s coach. The rah-rah stuff is what he’s best at. Let the coordinators handle the details and let Cowher motivate the troops. I’ve seen nothing to indicate Cowher is motivated to do anything other than coach five more regular season games, load up the moving truck and head south.

* If Cowher is truly done in the NFL, then it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that he would be first on everyone’s list close to this search.

* It is fascinating how much of the media deals with Cowher’s association to the State job. Evidently, they truly think that dozens/hundreds/thousands of State people are crazy. Do these Einstein’s really think that all of these State people – many of which are highly intelligent and successful – simultaneously sat in a room and originated the name Bill Cowher as a potential coach simply because he is an alum? Of course not.

* The only reason that Cowher’s name is discussed as an alternative is because Cowher has chosen to publicly and privately comment regarding his dream/desire to finish his coaching career on the sidelines in Raleigh. Has that dream changed? We will soon see because this is probably Cowher’s last chance at the job. The next hire will get at least four to five years before any questions would arise about job security.

* The main issue with Cowher could revolve around timing. In a perfect scenario Cowher would take a year off from the Steelers to re-charge and would handed the keys after the 2007 season. But, that would mean another year of failure on the field and long term damage to the program off-the-field. Cowher has told friends at State that he would never want it to look as though he was the reason that Coach Amato (or any coach) would be pushed out of their job. With State making a move after this season Cowher has nothing with which to worry. Legitimate risk would have existed had Amato returned for an 8th year and achieved the most minimum of success. State simply had to make the move this year.

* Despite the growing momentum behind Paul Johnson‘s candidacy, we hope that NC State & Chuck Neinas fully vet and analyze all potential candidates for the job. We have no problem comparing all candidates (after Cowher) to Paul Johnson; we just hope that all candidates are run through a truly legitimate process and given a thorough look. It is danger to just throw your weight behind Johnson and close your eyes to everyone else.

* All the Paul Johnson-talk indicates to us that he must be interested in the job. There is no way his name could have gotten out so early unless he wanted his name in there.

* We like the evolution of the names on the football list. With names like Johnson, Fisher, Chow and who knows who else – can you tell the difference between who is working on the football list and who was responsible for a basketball search where Lee Fowler CHOSE to pursue names like Steve Lavin, Lon Kruger and John Beilen in front of Sidney Lowe or one of many ‘up and comers’ whom Fowler should have been more in touch with but was not?

* It will be interesting to learn if the current ACC affiliation of Tom O’Brien will negatively impact his ability to express interest in the NC State job. TOB’s name was floated during Carolina’s ‘search’. Based on what we have heard from college football circles, we have no doubt that TOB would welcome a fresh start outside of Boston College.

* We made reference to the comments included in this entry yesterday. Question for you — why isn’t Skip Holtz‘s name being connected to the NC State job? People forget that Holtz built a pretty successful program from scratch (and with no resources) at UConn before choosing to join his father at South Carolina. That didn’t work too well. Regardless, Holtz is back on his own and immediately succeeded in turning around a pitiful ECU program.

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103 Responses to Fanblogs: Reviewing the Top Candidates (Updated 3:30pm)

  1. old13 11/27/2006 at 5:15 PM #

    After Cowher, I like Fisher with Stroud as DC and DL coach.

  2. highstick 11/27/2006 at 5:17 PM #

    Skip Holtz? I concur with Skywalkerdf’s assessment. I’m a State grad, but live in SC and have had Gamecock season tickets for 8 years. You do not want Skip Holtz at State. He was so totally ineffective at South Carolina that his even Lou demoted him and took control away. Skip was not in charge of the offense when they had some success, but he was went everything headed down the tubes again.

  3. legalwulf 11/27/2006 at 5:17 PM #

    Mark Shlahbach at espn.com weighs in with this…

    On the Mark
    Can the Wolfpack go from “The Chest” to “The Chin?” After Amato was fired Sunday, don’t be surprised if NC State athletics director Lee Fowler makes a serious run at Pittsburgh Steelers coach Bill Cowher, a former Wolfpack linebacker. The Wolfpack talked to Cowher when Amato was hired in 2000, but the longtime NFL coach indicated the timing wasn’t right. Now that the defending Super Bowl champions are essentially out of the playoffs with a 4-7 record, the timing might be right for Cowher to return to his alma mater. His wife, a former NC State women’s basketball player, already lives in the Raleigh, N.C., area in a home they purchased within the last year.

    There is a pic of CtC with the caption saying sources point to BC replacing CtC.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=2677485

  4. ldr of pk 75 11/27/2006 at 5:18 PM #

    I re-iterate a couple of previous posts in that I have concern for flexbone, wishbone, spread or whatever. Bigtime offensive recruits, the playmakers, don’t want to play that game anymore than bigtime basketball recruits want to play Princeton cat and mouse offense. A “small” school like Navy runs something like that with moderate success because they can’t compete with a more conventional offense. In the end you’re left wishing and hoping that you can keep it close till the 4th quarter and eke out a win. It’s even been stated by the coach of one of our recent B-ball recruits, “he committed because of the up tempo Sidney will play.” Paul Johnson may still be a good hire, but not unless he shows he can leave the flexbone behind and have some other offensive track record to gauge by. We want to continue to attract top notch recruits, not run them off.

  5. skywalkerdt 11/27/2006 at 5:23 PM #

    Major positive about Johnson is when you look at the hometown you know he’ll be committed to NCSU being from Avery County. Just please dear God noone else mention Skip…i hate Spurrier and celebrated the day he was hired at USC because his name is not skip holtz

  6. Woof Wolf 11/27/2006 at 5:23 PM #

    pack7483 says, “the game is @ Michigan tonight”

    Now we are have to fact check everything you say and I was believing that stuff about your wife working at WTVD.

  7. Cardiff Giant 11/27/2006 at 5:30 PM #

    vtpackfan, that is basically the way I see it. I just don’t see that success with the Steelers automatically – or even probably – translates into success at the college level. Certainly the inverse does not appear to apply. See Spurrier, Steve, and Holtz, Lou.

  8. tooyoungtoremember 11/27/2006 at 5:56 PM #

    The game is on ESPN2 at 7:00

  9. Cali_Wolf 11/27/2006 at 5:59 PM #

    Do not rule David Cutcliffe, He would be an excellent addition and transform the offense

  10. skywalkerdt 11/27/2006 at 6:01 PM #

    Cutcliffe would certainly have some weapons to work with. they’ve got top recruits coming back at qb, burners at receiver, and B&B in the backfield. trestman must be, in the words of carlos mencia, dee dee dee

  11. brown pelican 11/27/2006 at 6:06 PM #

    want to have some fun?—if cowher turns us down—go write the big check and bring mike leach to town—complete with his cowboy boots and his 50 plus passes per game—would be fun to see what he could do with our perimeter talent—and yes—the acc is a step up from the big 12

  12. Texpack 11/27/2006 at 6:15 PM #

    Art Briles. He’s an offensive genius. He won nine games at UH, where they can’t even fill a 30,000 seat stadium.. Watch them this Saturday in the C-USA championship game.

  13. Buddygreen 11/27/2006 at 6:15 PM #

    If Cowher can coach at the professional level, he can certainly coach at any level. I can’t think of a coach going from Super to College in modern days. Think of his ability to judge talent! Wow! Cowher has been with one team longer than any current NFL head coach. He is loyal beyond the call of duty. Steelers not known for paying high prices for free agents or for keeping players. Cowher developed his players and teams and produced winners. There’s nothing but upside with this man. High school kids line up just to get his autograph, imagine recruits lining up to play for him. Who wouldn’t? He can not only tell you what it takes to get to NFL he can tell you how to be successful once there. And wouldn’t new UNX coach Davis love it. He used to losing to Cowher already. Maybe that why Cowher wants to come to State he not finished beating up on Davis! So why would anyone question his ability to coach at any level. The NFL does everything possible to level the playing field and the Steelers are a high profile team that plays a difficult schedule every year and this man has flourished under that environment. He would dominate recruiting around here and certainly could take over Western Pa. And on top of all this it is my understanding he is a class act! Plus him and his wife bleed wolfpack Red! I am all for pursuing Cowher and give him a lifetime contract if he wants it! We gave one coach a lifetime contract and we sat by and watched the UNX Board of Govenors illegally fire the man. His name was Valvano! Cowher would be another Valvano, Case, Sloan, Sheridan, Edwards, Holtz, Rein, type winner at NCSU! I say offer the man a life time contract and live with it. May be what brings him aboard. You want to be successful you take a risk. Of course better chances of succeeding if your rish is a calculated risk. I say set a new standard in college athletics offer a lifetime contract to the most successful coach in football currently! Roll the dice and go for Cowher! What we got to lose we got an overall losing ACC record for the past 13 years.

  14. RedTerror29 11/27/2006 at 6:42 PM #

    I, too, have concerns about Johnson’s ability to recruit the best talent, but it isn’t due to his offense. They said the same thing about Urban Meyer when he went to Florida, and he promptly signed Tim Tebow. I wouldn’t mind having Pat White or Steve Slaton type talent either. There are always high school QB’s most schools want as DB’s or WR’s, e.g. Eric Crouch/Michael Bishop/Antwan Randel El who can succeed in an option/running offense. And those players can win championships. The real question is – can Johnson close them?

  15. teacher 11/27/2006 at 6:49 PM #

    Let’s face it. Cowher is the overall best bet. He is a proven winner, and we know his name will help his recruiting. I also believe he would be able to lure almost any offensive or defensive coordinator in the country. He would be in favor of a run-first offense, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. To me, he is a sure bet to make us winners quickly.

    I think Paul Johnson would be a decent coach, but I believe it is very risky. He has won at Navy, but don’t think he really played stiff competition. He has yet to coach in a big conference and face top 25 teams week in and week out. I would hate to see us bring him in and be in the same situation 5 years from now.

    I like Norm Chow as well. I believe he would bring the offensive spark we so desperately need. I would only question his ability to lead at the head coaching position. He has always been a second man. He would have to step up and be the man. He would be another big risk.

    When it comes down to it, we have to offer the job to Cowher and pray he takes it. He is a sure thing (if there is such a thing.) We can all agree that anything is better than 3-9!

    PS–no matter who the new coach is, he will be in the middle of a spring QB contraversy. Burke or Beck?

  16. WestCoast 11/27/2006 at 6:59 PM #

    I was also at USC when Holtz was an Assistant. I agree, skywalkerdt, we don’t want him. We didn’t want him there even when working with his dad…let’s say, “Offensively challenged”. We don’t need more of that.

  17. RAWFS 11/27/2006 at 7:05 PM #

    “I re-iterate a couple of previous posts in that I have concern for flexbone, wishbone, spread or whatever. Bigtime offensive recruits, the playmakers, don’t want to play that game anymore than bigtime basketball recruits want to play Princeton cat and mouse offense.”

    A couple of points here. No offense, but you must not have seen Georgia Southern play when Johnson was there. He did not exclusively run the Flexbone or the Triple Option, whichever you want to call it. The two games I saw he often ran out of the I, ACE and other “typical” formations. There was also a bunch of play action, trips, etc. Of course, that was a long time ago.

    Secondly, Wake Forest has a game Saturday in the ACCT. You won’t see a WCO, especially one run by Marc Trestman.

    Finally, it is my opinion that the WCO may well go the way of the Run N Shoot offense — besides Hawaii, you hardly see THAT once-in-vogue offense at the college level any more. The I formation was and is a classic offense because…it works.

  18. RAWFS 11/27/2006 at 7:06 PM #

    As for David Cutcliffe, no thanks. He did not recruit well at Ole Miss.

    He is not the sort of hire State needs to keep up in any way with Butch Davis.

  19. teacher 11/27/2006 at 7:13 PM #

    “He is not the sort of hire State needs to keep up in any way with Butch Davis.”

    That is a major thing that needs to be taken into consideration. Davis is going to recruit like crazy in Chapel Hell. We have to have someone that can match or surpass him. I don’t see Paul Johnson doing that.

    “They said the same thing about Urban Meyer when he went to Florida, and he promptly signed Tim Tebow.”

    Yeah, but Meyer had taken Utah into the top 15 and has produced some NFL players…Johnson hasn’t.

  20. tvp 11/27/2006 at 8:01 PM #

    Take it FWIW…Donnan apparently really wants the job and has made that interest known.

  21. justaguy 11/27/2006 at 8:07 PM #

    From some comments on this forum I’m beginning to believe that if Vince Lombardi or Bud Wilkinson were raised from the dead and became a candidates for the State job there would be reservations. “The game has passed him by” or “He doesn’t have recruiting ties in the Southeast.” No coach guarantees a championship. There are no wart-free candidates. Sure we want the best coach we can get, but it will not be a perfect coach.

  22. jwrenn29 11/27/2006 at 8:17 PM #

    Nice stuff, SFN. Seems like you’re staying out of the prediction game at this point and just reporting. Good link to RAWS; nice article in which they make an attempt at predictions.

    PLEASE keep an ear out on the Cowher possibility. My one concern is how can we afford to buy him out of his last year at Pittsburgh? Oh, that and how would he do here.

  23. pack7483 11/27/2006 at 8:21 PM #

    the wife does work for WTVD…..i just screwed up on where the game was tonight.

  24. bb1983 11/27/2006 at 9:04 PM #

    justaguy – Amen…

  25. WolfPup35 11/27/2006 at 9:05 PM #

    LOGAN….LOGAN…..LOGAN…..IF HE CAN WIN AT ECU, AND RECRUIT GOOD PLAYERS TO GO TO A SCHOOL IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, IMAGINE WHAT HE COULD DO AT STATE WITH THE FACILITIES WE HAVE!!
    THANKS, CHUCK, FOR STARTING SOMETHING POSITIVE FOR NCSU FOOTBALL.

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