Fanblogs: Reviewing the Top Candidates (Updated 3:30pm)

College football’s annual coaching carousel is in high gear and NC State is taking spin this year.

SFN has already blogged some commentary and analysis to set the table for some of our future entries. But, we don’t expect football coaching scoop to be quite as clear as the basketball scoop that we were able to analyze back in April because of the existence of the 3rd party search firm.

(By the way – SFN recently was privy to a complete debrief of the Wolfpack’s basketball search. What an amazing experience to hear all of the inside scoop and perspective. We walked away from the conversation surprised at just how damn accurate and timely we were with our coverage of the search. Even some things that we were somewhat unclear we ended up being closer than we even thought!)

Today, Fanblogs.com has blogged an entry reviewing top potential coaching candidates from around the country. South Florida’s
Jim Leavitt did not make Fanblogs’ initial list despite the expectation that he is sure to get some looks from some open jobs. (Not so sure about the fit at NC State. But, names like Leavitt are why you run a process and get to know multiple candidates.)

Red and White from State has taken the Fanblogs entry and expanded it with an NC State focus. Great work from these great guys!!!

If Bill Cowher ultimately accepts the Wolfpack’s job as he has indicated for years was something that held interest for him, then this list may not be of much interest to NC State fans.

If Paul Johnson is truly emerging with the kind of momentum that we hear, then this list may not be of much interest to NC State fans.

But, we love coaching carousels and don’t want to ignore anything that is going on out there, so we thought that we would share their list.

Other football coaching search related to comments:

* First, have to accept the not-so-hard-to-accept proposition that Bill Cowher is done in Pittsburgh at the end of this year. It is something that folks in Pittsburgh have generally accepted as this year has progressed. Additionally, the guy didn’t buy a house in Raleigh, join Northridge Country Club, and send his daughter to Ravenscroft because he was going to be living in Pittsburgh much longer. Or any other NFL city for that matter. Heck, just today the SteelCityInsider wrote the following:

First, Cowher’s contract isn’t extended during the off-season, which on its own is fine, but it’s created a mini-media storm that is stronger than ever 12 weeks into the season. Second, in the years Cowher has been in Pittsburgh, I have never seen him so unenthusiastic during games. It’d be one thing if he was Bill Belichick: a pensive, contemplative strategist who eschewed a lot of the rah-rah stuff. But Cowher isn’t that type of guy. He’s made his living as a player’s coach. The rah-rah stuff is what he’s best at. Let the coordinators handle the details and let Cowher motivate the troops. I’ve seen nothing to indicate Cowher is motivated to do anything other than coach five more regular season games, load up the moving truck and head south.

* If Cowher is truly done in the NFL, then it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that he would be first on everyone’s list close to this search.

* It is fascinating how much of the media deals with Cowher’s association to the State job. Evidently, they truly think that dozens/hundreds/thousands of State people are crazy. Do these Einstein’s really think that all of these State people – many of which are highly intelligent and successful – simultaneously sat in a room and originated the name Bill Cowher as a potential coach simply because he is an alum? Of course not.

* The only reason that Cowher’s name is discussed as an alternative is because Cowher has chosen to publicly and privately comment regarding his dream/desire to finish his coaching career on the sidelines in Raleigh. Has that dream changed? We will soon see because this is probably Cowher’s last chance at the job. The next hire will get at least four to five years before any questions would arise about job security.

* The main issue with Cowher could revolve around timing. In a perfect scenario Cowher would take a year off from the Steelers to re-charge and would handed the keys after the 2007 season. But, that would mean another year of failure on the field and long term damage to the program off-the-field. Cowher has told friends at State that he would never want it to look as though he was the reason that Coach Amato (or any coach) would be pushed out of their job. With State making a move after this season Cowher has nothing with which to worry. Legitimate risk would have existed had Amato returned for an 8th year and achieved the most minimum of success. State simply had to make the move this year.

* Despite the growing momentum behind Paul Johnson‘s candidacy, we hope that NC State & Chuck Neinas fully vet and analyze all potential candidates for the job. We have no problem comparing all candidates (after Cowher) to Paul Johnson; we just hope that all candidates are run through a truly legitimate process and given a thorough look. It is danger to just throw your weight behind Johnson and close your eyes to everyone else.

* All the Paul Johnson-talk indicates to us that he must be interested in the job. There is no way his name could have gotten out so early unless he wanted his name in there.

* We like the evolution of the names on the football list. With names like Johnson, Fisher, Chow and who knows who else – can you tell the difference between who is working on the football list and who was responsible for a basketball search where Lee Fowler CHOSE to pursue names like Steve Lavin, Lon Kruger and John Beilen in front of Sidney Lowe or one of many ‘up and comers’ whom Fowler should have been more in touch with but was not?

* It will be interesting to learn if the current ACC affiliation of Tom O’Brien will negatively impact his ability to express interest in the NC State job. TOB’s name was floated during Carolina’s ‘search’. Based on what we have heard from college football circles, we have no doubt that TOB would welcome a fresh start outside of Boston College.

* We made reference to the comments included in this entry yesterday. Question for you — why isn’t Skip Holtz‘s name being connected to the NC State job? People forget that Holtz built a pretty successful program from scratch (and with no resources) at UConn before choosing to join his father at South Carolina. That didn’t work too well. Regardless, Holtz is back on his own and immediately succeeded in turning around a pitiful ECU program.

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103 Responses to Fanblogs: Reviewing the Top Candidates (Updated 3:30pm)

  1. old13 11/27/2006 at 4:26 PM #

    Re: Coker – his trend has been steadily downward. His winning was mainly with Butch Davis’s recruits. UM didn’t fire him for nothing.

  2. legacyman 11/27/2006 at 4:26 PM #

    Larry Coker did his stuff in Miami inside the recruiting area. Larry Coker in Raleigh does not have that environment so those successes can not automatically be translated to here.

  3. bb1983 11/27/2006 at 4:26 PM #

    And his players are known for getting arrested/shot. Dont want that in Raleigh.

  4. waxhaw 11/27/2006 at 4:27 PM #

    “Newland, NC-native, Paul Johnson seems to be the favorite potential candidate amongst your average ‘I am a fan who thinks that I have come up with a great name because it is the only coach with whom I am familiar’”

    If Cowher doesn’t pan out, the average poster may get lucky and be right this time.

  5. Mr O 11/27/2006 at 4:33 PM #

    Nice update!

    I think everyone has the same number 1 candidate, but Skip Holtz is very appealing to me after that. Doesn’t the head coaching experience and pedigree give an edge over guys like Chow and Fisher?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skip_Holtz

    Interesting that his career started at FSU. He has experience at a very high leve(OC for Notre Dame for his dad), experience in building programs(UConn & ECU), and he certainly understands recruiting in this area. He is also an offensive guy and that addresses the area we need an immediate turnaround.

    It would make for a great story with his dad’s history at NC State.

  6. theTHRILL 11/27/2006 at 4:34 PM #

    IF, IF, IF we landed Cowher, would we hafta wait until the end of the NFL season for an announcement, or could it be done as soon as the Steelers were mathematically eliminated from the playoff hunt?

  7. highonlowe 11/27/2006 at 4:36 PM #

    Is it common for NFL coaches to wait until the end of the year before they sign/resign? Don’t these changes usually get underway before the season ends? From this perspective, I’d say the long the wait, the more concerned to be.

  8. Spin Wolf 11/27/2006 at 4:37 PM #

    The more I read about Johnson, the more I like him. He seems to have a Sheridan-like class/demeanor. If he were Plan B after missing Cowher, I’d still be excited to get him. Heck, I think the point is at least debate-able that Johnson should be Plan A.

  9. Mr O 11/27/2006 at 4:42 PM #

    My concern with Johnson is how his offense will be accepted by NC State fans. We just got rid of the dreaded Princeton offense in basketball…does hiring a coach that runs a non-traditional offense make sense for our football program?

    I know primarily we want a coach that wins. However, if Johnson struggled, then his offense would immediately become an issue. Tough call really.

  10. primacyone 11/27/2006 at 4:42 PM #

    I would hope that we would already konw what Cowher’s answer would be if we are going to “make him and offer”. We have lost seven games in a row, surely someone made some phone calls prior to releasing Chuck.

    If we offer Cowher and he turns us down, even a nice guy like me will say we have idiots running the show. If there was ever an example of knowing a candidate would accept an offer before it is presented this would be it.

    If Cowher is offered, he is coming and we knew it last week, or we have idiots running the show. There is no middle ground there.

  11. highonlowe 11/27/2006 at 4:45 PM #

    I’m going to ignore that Coker post all together.

    CG, I know of no proof on paper, but do you truely have any concerns that a Super Bowl-winning coach and a likely hall of famer won’t be able to succeed at the college level?

    About the bolded Skip Holtz inferrence–
    I implied it as “he hasn’t been connected to the NC State job for good reason”

  12. E-RO 11/27/2006 at 4:46 PM #

    “but can he recruit?”

    People asked if Lowe can recruit too. And look at Lowe. What an 07 class.

  13. highonlowe 11/27/2006 at 4:49 PM #

    As I see it, Johnson runs the “non-traditional” offense due to short-comings in personnel. With superior talent you don’t need the mis-directions, you play smashmouth and/or gunslinging football

  14. NCStateDud92 11/27/2006 at 4:49 PM #

    If Cowher can’t recruit than I am sure his ring can….

  15. vtpackfan 11/27/2006 at 4:52 PM #

    Cardiff^^
    Nothing concrete exist. Although you can look at Cowhers chances positively in two ways.
    First: He hires a Div. 1 primed staff and makes an early splash landing strong recruits (Sindey Lowe Syndrome)
    Second: It take him two to three years to get the rythm of college recruiting, but in that time he is able to motivate and provide discipline to the resources left by Chuck Amato, players who proved in the past to being very capable. If he works the second one to an ACC championship then the recruiting will work better with the added success.

  16. highonlowe 11/27/2006 at 4:53 PM #

    My last post today:
    BIG game tonight. Michigan lost in the NIT final last season; this our first big test. Everyone better show up or tune in!

  17. pack7483 11/27/2006 at 4:54 PM #

    the game is @ Michigan tonight

  18. NCStateDud92 11/27/2006 at 4:56 PM #

    no it isn’t pack7583

  19. Woof Wolf 11/27/2006 at 4:56 PM #

    Almost everyone is talking about Cowher on the ESPN channels today. Some think he will come to State, others don’t. But everyone thinks he’s done at Pittsburgh effective at the end of the last game this year if not sooner. My major reservation is that ex-linebackers have not done too well in The Triangle lately.

    In the five years that Paul Johnson has been at Navy he has won only three games against 1A opponents with a winning record: Air Force (7-5) in 2003, New Mexico (7-5) in a 2004 bowl game, and East Carolina (7-5) in 2006. His good record may be more a result of scheduling than of coaching.

    Not trying to be negative; just pointing out some facts. I know all about Johnson’s good record at Georgia Southern. I also know a couple of guys who played for him. We could do a lot worse.

    I could also take a chance on the linebacker. “Cowher The Chin.” We wouldn’t even need to change our acronym.

  20. Wolfman300 11/27/2006 at 4:56 PM #

    Pack 7483 – you sure about that?

  21. bb1983 11/27/2006 at 4:58 PM #

    Johnson beats Holtz who beat Amato…

  22. skywalkerdt 11/27/2006 at 4:59 PM #

    As far as Skip Holtz goes, I am of the most loyal of NCSU families, but was a student at USC during the Holtz years. All Gamecocks did was hope and pray that Skip would not follow his father as the head coach in columbia, and for good reason. The man is supposed to know offense but his offenses in a word sucked and rumors of his father repeatedly firing him only to bring him back without much press went rampant.

  23. ncsu96 11/27/2006 at 5:01 PM #

    Michigan IS a home game…. be there!

    Does anyone know anything about steriod thing at Navy?
    Definately concerns this guy wrt Johnson.

  24. NCStateDud92 11/27/2006 at 5:01 PM #

    My Humble List Is as Follows:

    1)Cowher
    2)Johnson/Chow/Donnan
    3)Whoever the Top I-AA coach is

  25. Cosmo96 11/27/2006 at 5:09 PM #

    Thanks RAWFS for the great write-up. So far, I have been on the PJ bandwagon if Cowher says no, but I’m becoming increasingly intrigued by Jimbo Fisher (yeah, I know…not a head coach). Cowher would be my first choice, but it would be hard for me to choose between these two guys right now for second.

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