(12) NC STATE vs (5) SAINT LOUIS Preview

Time: 7:20 pm
Location: Orlando, FL
TV: TNT
Announcers: Brian Anderson, Dan Bonner and Kristine Leahy

The Pack is in the Round of 64 after defeating the Xavier Musketeers 74-59 in the First Four match in Dayton, OH. The Wolfpack put together one of their best all-around performances this season by getting almost a complete team effort in multiple facets on both ends of the court. Sure the Pack has been more efficient on offense this season but increasing their performance on defense just a little, it more than made up for any drop off in offensive efficiency. Anthony Barber was sick and it effected his time on the court and Warren was saddled with two quick fouls at the beginning of the game which slowed him down but everyone stepped up until he was able to find his grove. With the win the Pack has moved on to Orlando, FL to face the Saint Louis Billikens.

Getting to know them

The Billikens have had a tremendous year in the A-10, jumping out to a 25-2 (12-0) record, with the 2 losses being a 63-57 loss to Wisconsin on a neutral court and a 70-65 loss to undefeated Wichita State at home. Then something happened, St. Louis lost at home to lowly Duquesne and stumbled the rest of the way to a 26-6 (13-3) record, including a first round exit in the A-10 tournament to St. Bonaventure. St. Louis starts 5 seniors, who are in their third NCAAT but doesn’t go very deep into their bench very often. They aren’t a very tall team either, outside of a couple of 6-11 guys, they top out at 6-6.

The Billikens strength is in their defense. It’s not shutdown, low scoring type of defense, more of a make you work extra hard for your points, make you less efficient to compensate for their own low offensive efficiency. Little things like limiting the three, good defensive rebounding to prevent second chance points, forcing turnovers, and not sending the opposition to the line much.

Probable Starters
#5 Jordair Jet (6-1 215 SR) Guard – Jett has an amazing Assist Rate of 34.4%, which ranks #23 in the nation but with having the ball so much means he also has a lot of opportunities to turn the ball over, TORate 20.2%. Jett doesn’t shoot the three, only have 34 3fga this season but he does have a lot of two’s, eFG 50%, and draws a lot of fouls, 5.8 per 40, so he’s likely driving a lot to the basket. Oh yeah and he’s the A-10 Player of the Year, so he’s got that going for him.

#11 Mike McCall (6-0 180 SR) Guard – McCall is the shooting guard and he’s been pretty good this year, 109 ORtg, shoots as many 3’s as 2’s, an eFG 51%, and good at FT’s, though he doesn’t get to the line much. Can’t leave him alone on the perimeter.

#30 Jake Barnett (6-5 205 SR) Forward – Barnett is the least effective scoring option of the starters. He only has a 90 ORtg, barely shooting any 2’s, mainly living on the perimeter jacking 3’s and not that great at 30%. He’s okay at defensive rebounding 12.2% but has a tendancy to turn the ball over at 19% TORate.

#21 Dwayne Evans (6-6 230 SR) Forward – Evan has okay numbers, a 103 ORtg, 50% eFG (doesn’t shoot the 3), but is good at rebounding 8% OR and 17% DR, and drawing fouls to get to the line where he shoots 74%.

#51 Rob Loe (6-11 245 SR) Center – Loe is the match up nightmare for the Pack, he’s taken 123 2FGA (.593) and 115 3FGA (.296). Because he shoots so many 3’s his Offensive Rebounding isn’t that good but he makes up for it on defense where he’s grabbing 16% DR and Blocks 4.7% of shots (#238 nationally). This is where I think we need Washington guarding him on the perimeter and switching up when he goes inside. Did I forget to mention Loe is from New Zealand? Battle of the Bigs from Down Under.

Bench
#2 Austin McBroom (5-9 165 SO), #54 John Manning (6-11 240 JR), #1 Grandy Glaze (6-6 235 JR)

Glaze was getting a decent amount of playing time off the bench for most of the season but during their losing streak his time has been almost nonexistent. He’s a good rebounder and only plays around a the basket but turns the ball over quite a lot. McBroom has seen his minutes increase of late though that hasn’t meant he’s playing great, in fact it’s either good or awful. McBroom shoots a lot of 3’s, understandable for his size, and is their best long distance shooter (.355) along with McCall. Expect to see Manning more then he usually plays simply because the Pack has the size, just don’t expect a lot out of him.

Who has the Advantage?

NOTE: This is a look at what both teams have done over the course of the season, not how they have been playing for the past few weeks. Trust me I’d love to restrict it to just the last 10 games but that would require me to do that myself which I simply don’t have the time, and I still wouldn’t know where they’d rank nationally.

This is a matchup of State’s best against St. Louis’ best and the Billikens defense has been better then the Pack’s offense. One thing I noticed in the Xavier game, who was another team that was good at defensive rebounding, was the Musketeers limited State to only 20% Offensive Rebounding which is about 15% below their season average.

Now we have the matchup of facepalms vs facepalms. It’s best to avert your eyes when the ball moves to this end of the court. Hipster Cat needs to drop the pigtails and return to his hip ways.

Predictions

KenPom likes Saint Louis by 2 points.
Sagarin likes Saint Louis by 3.3 points.
Vegas opened up with Saint Louis -2.5.

Its extremely difficult to know what’s going to happen. Will both teams continue how they’ve been playing over the last month? Or will one or both revert to their old ways? It’s difficult to tell. One thing the Billikens have an advantage in is not only a 5 starting seniors but multiple years of NCAAT experience. The Pack has the advantage of already playing a game and getting the first half jitters out of the way. The Billikens have TONS of bulletin board material since everyone is on the Pack bandwagon and predicting an upset.

Just as everyone will wear the same clothes that they had on Tuesday, watch the game from the same spot, drink the same drinks, I’m going to continue my official pick be against the Pack. I refuse to be the bringer of bad mojo to this team. So I say St. Louis by 1.

And who knows, maybe the Pack’s new good luck charm and several posters new crush, Kristine Leahy, will stick with the Pack for as long as they are in the tournament.

HEADLINES

This is a great article by Giglio, way too much to highlight.

Joe Giglio (N&O)
Gottfried stays positive, pushes right buttons for Wolfpack’s NCAA success

Ryan Tice (TheWolfpacker.com)
In-depth look at Saint Louis

TheWolfpacker.com
Q&A: Saint Louis looking forward to facing Pack

Russ Wood (TheWolfpacker.com)
Audio: Mark Gottfried, players breaks down SLU

Fred Goodall (AP)
NC State-Saint Louis Preview

PackPride.com
Previewing Saint Louis

Tom Timmermann (Stltoday.com)
Trending down, Billikens are undaunted

Bernie Miklasz (stltoday.com)
It’s up to the ‘Sons of Majerus’

Tom Timmermann (Stltoday.com)
Loe has come a long way with SLU

Tom Timmermann (Stltoday.com)
N.C. State takes whirlwind path to play SLU

About 1.21 Jigawatts

Class of '98, Mechanical Engineer, State fan since arriving on campus and it's been a painful ride ever since. I live by the Law of NC State Fandom, "For every Elation there is an equal and opposite Frustration."

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  • #48240
    bill.onthebeach
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    .. if that what they are gonna try to do…

    Update my prediction… PACK by 15…

    And if they are really serious… about stopping CUZ…

    We will have FOUR other guys with doubledigit ProductionPoints…
    and we only need three to win….

    (ProductionPoints = points + assists + rebounds + steals – turnovers )

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #48242
    1.21 Jigawatts
    Keymaster

    Jigs,That is good work. I imagine this is the type of information Brad Stevens used to use so effectively.Jigs is our Moneyball

    I love that movie/book. I believe stats can’t tell you everything but if you don’t have the time to watch film and study a team, especially multiple teams, then tempo free stats can give you a good picture of who a team is.

    I remember a story about Jim Larranaga after he took over Miami and had a team meeting asking the players what they wanted to accomplish the next year, then asked them how good they considered themselves at various things like rebounding. The answers all came back they thought they did pretty good, that’s when Jim broke out their Offensive Rebounding and Defensive Rebounding Rates and showed them they were one of the worst in the country. Then he showed them the rebounding rates of the final four teams and that drove the message home. The next year Miami’s rebounding rate increased dramatically because the players were now focused on it and had a quantifiable measurement of what was actually good.

    #48243
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    Cat still eating grass?

    LMAO, he looked pretty healthy in the sports page photo (from yesterday’s practice). And I sure as sh-t don’t want him breathing on WBS if he isn’t close to 100%!!

    The key is…can and WILL we effectively run through their screens. I have no doubt we’ll score enough if we do that.

    #48244
    wilmwolf80
    Participant

    So their game plan is to try and stop Warren? If only every other team we’ve played all year had thought of that!!

    #48245
    Pack85EE
    Participant

    Whiteshoes, You said Cat was still eating grass. Just being a funny guy yourself, or do you know something?

    Edit This seems late, My link was not updating quickly. I see the ? is out there.

    #48246
    Tuffy2
    Participant

    No reaching in by TJ to pick up cheap fouls tonight. I read that they play good defense and make teams shoot late in the shot clock. We have been playing some great defense ourselves. Freeman has been playing like a man on a mission when it comes to defense along with all our other bigs. Great timing for us on that note.

    I know we need to only think of this game but it would be nice if Mannhatten upsets the cards. I can at least dream!

    #48247
    Pack85EE
    Participant

    Pitt has jumped on Col who can’t buy a shot. 11-0

    #48248
    1.21 Jigawatts
    Keymaster

    Nicole Auerbach (usatoday)
    Jim Larranaga’s use of analytics gives Miami secret weapon

    He doesn’t remember how and when and why he was introduced to the world of advanced statistics.

    He turns to his long-time assistant Chris Caputo in the hallway and asks about the first time they found kenpom.com, a website devoted to college basketball analytics. Caputo can’t remember, either. Maybe five years ago? Definitely after their staff discovered Synergy Sports, video-scouting software that compiles intricately detailed data on every team from every game situation imaginable.

    [snip]

    “If I’m going to be good, I’m going to judge myself against other players who are really, really good,” Larranaga said. He carried that into coaching. As an assistant at Virginia, he charted the performances of various lineups to figure out the most effective group of five. Compare, compare, compare. Then go with what works. Video might show him that now. Or a sheet of numbers from kenpom.com.

    The use of such tools has propelled Miami to unprecedented success in the Atlantic Coast Conference this season. The Hurricanes’ 13-0 start in league play was the best of any team since 1998-99, and a win Saturday at No. 3 Duke would clinch the ACC regular-season title in this, Larranaga’s second year with the team.

    “The thing with Coach is, as long as he’s been doing this, he’s never stopped learning,” Caputo said. “You’re looking, searching for things that will give you a bit of an edge. I think it was just word of mouth — there’s no great story.

    “Looking at a team on a sheet, it’s a concise way of understanding. … A lot of times, you ask someone how they did on a test. They say, ‘Good.’ Well, what does that mean? A ‘C’? That’s pretty good, right? Not if everybody in the class got an ‘A’. Or I got a ‘C’, but everybody failed the test. You try to see the things you value … and then see where that ranks within your league and nationally. That tells you what your team is like.”

    The Miami players hear about advanced statistics more than they see the numbers themselves. They aren’t given statistical printouts; they don’t get bogged down in the details. Their coaches tell them the important ones. This team is 50th in tempo, that team is 300th. This one is in the top 10 in offensive rebounding, that one turns the ball over on just 14% of possessions.

    “They understand rank very well,” assistant coach Eric Konkol said. So the coaches toss the key stats in with normal prep work, like talking about opponents’ tendencies or watching video. Together, it provides a full picture of what the ‘Canes will be up against. Miami scouts its opponents, but it also self-scouts, tracking where it stacks up against the nation’s best to motivate itself.

    Said senior Julian Gamble: “They give us those types of statistics to let us know where we are and where we need to improve. You want to be the best, and numbers don’t lie. If you say you’re not No. 1 in the country in something you want to be, you know you have something to improve on.”

    Larranaga and his staff emphasize points per possession; it’s a good way to stress defense, something that players can rely on even when shots aren’t falling on a given night. On Tuesday, prior to the Virginia Tech game, Gamble recited a sentence that would please his coaches: “We’re 16-2 when we hold teams under one point per possession.” Make that 17-2 after the win over the Hokies.

    Miami is ranked sixth in the country in defensive efficiency, 39th in offensive efficiency and 26th in turnover rate — all significant improvements from two seasons ago.

    This lingo, while new to the Hurricanes, is far from foreign from those at George Mason, where Larranaga spent 14 seasons before coming to Miami in April 2011.

    “He was innovative,” George Mason athletics director Tom O’Connor said. “He was focused on (advanced statistics), but that didn’t override the fact that he still had to go out there and teach offense and defense. It’s good to have all the statistics, and it can definitely be a major plus. I think he saw that early on. He’s always been ahead of the curve if he sees something that can help his program be successful.”

    #48249
    Tuffy2
    Participant

    Sorry about that! It’s spelled Manhattan.

    #48250
    Rick
    Keymaster

    What are they going to do, work hardest to get him in foul trouble, slap him in the balls to draw a technical, try to injure him. Or are they just talking the usual suspect of defenses, Box and 1, triangle and 2, M 2 Man w a focus on collapsing on Warren? I don’t know but the quote bothered me.

    When I used to play a lot of pickup I had a great trick for stopping a hot shooter. When he went up for a shot, give him a stiff pop in the stomach, call the foul and apologize. From then on every time he went up to shoot stick your hand out like you were going to hit him, he would flinch and it would throw him off. Worked every time.

    Maybe that is the plan.

    #48251
    Pack85EE
    Participant

    Pitt 21-5

    #48252
    Whiteshoes67
    Participant

    ^I know nothing, hoping someone here had news. Think we’ll need da Cat tonight, so I hope he’s got a few more lives left. Somebody put a bug in Buckets’ ear: NO REACHING AND SLAPPING AT THE BALL! NO FRIGGIN SILLY FOULS, NOT WORTH THE RISK..

    #48253
    Pack85EE
    Participant

    And Tell Warren if anyone takes a cheap shot, just tell Anya, Vandy and Freemon. Put the double block slam to the ground move on them.

    #48256
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    If you combined Le Nard’s mean with KH’s hugeness…wow, that would be deadly.

    #48266
    Rick
    Keymaster

    If you combined Le Nard’s mean with KH’s hugeness…wow, that would be deadly.

    I think KH has a lot of grit to his game. He smiles alot but he does not tend to “play nice”

    #48267
    Pack85EE
    Participant

    Archie Millers Dayton just knocked off Ohio State 60-59!

    #48269
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    Agreed, Rick. But just imagine if he had the hate in his heart…

    #48271
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    Whiteshoes, You said Cat was still eating grass. Just being a funny guy yourself, or do you know something?

    It’s just an old farm boy thing…
    … Dogs eat “green grass” to settle upset stomachs…

    This really does NOT translate to today’s society… and could be really confusing or upsetting to some…

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #48274
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    Cats really do the grass eating thing, too. I done seen my cats do it, here in suburbia.

    #48275
    Sweet jumper
    Participant

    Archie Miller just cost me one billion dollars!!

    #48276
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    Never bet on a team whose best player is white. Or against an Archie!

    #48277
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    Ok… so Dogs and Cats have something in common… cool…

    Don’t worry about CUZ’s fouling too much… he’s shown he can play with fouls except when the zebras say no…

    Let’s put that another way… if CUZ ain’t got a couple of reaching fouls to go with his 3-4 steals and loose 50/50 balls he ain’t playing hard enough… and there’s a bigger problem elsewhere…

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #48278
    Pack85EE
    Participant

    Yea I have pets, understood the eating grass reference, just mainly focused on whether Cat was sick on not. Key issue we are all worried about. And is there any stiffness in Warren’s ankle. I just hope they all come to play. Pitt sure did. 53-24

    #48279
    Fastback68
    Participant

    Since I made the mistake – TheCOWDOG – 12/22 “Barber is one serious dude. He plays with a switchblade in his sock.” Some lines just stick and are appreciated.

    #48280
    redcanine
    Participant

    The only time King Hippo eats grass is when he drops his cupcake on the ground.

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