Coping With Another Hole Title (Updated 9am Tuesday)

“Our fans are comparing ourselves to Duke and North Carolina. Every program in the country doesn’t do well when you’re compared with those two on a day-to-day basis. I understand that our fans want to be able to compete with them; we all do. But you can be real good on a daily basis and not be better than those two programs.”

Don’t ignore yesterday’s look-in at all sports…but, this morning we have to discuss a little basketball.

Tuesday Update
When NC State gave up basketball in 1990 – the Wolfpack held two National Championships; UNC-CH held two, and Duke held none.

When Lee Fowler was hired as Athletics Director a decade ago – the Wolfpack held two National Championships, UNC-CH held three, and Duke held two.

After ten years of (lack of leadership) from Lee “I know basketball and I have a contract” Fowler – the Wolfpack STILL holds two National Championships, UNC-CH now has five, and Duke now has three.

Great work managing that program, Lee! I could only imagine where we would be if you didn’t ‘know basketball’!

We wrote this highly-trafficked entry when the Tarheels won their National Championship in 2005. We implore you to click on it and give it a read (the charts no longer work) as we see no reason to bust our ass to update it this morning since it still couldn’t be more relevant this morning. The following is a taste:

Good morning, sleepy head!!!

Did you sleep well? Heck, did you sleep at all? Regardless of if you tossed and turned all night, you have awoken to a New World Order!!! Sounds kind of ominous, doesn’t it? No matter, it is true –

You now live in an environment and under a set of circumstances that have LITERALLY NEVER existed as they do today — April 5, 2005. April 7, 2009.

For many, this N.W.O. is nothing that you haven’t felt inside or intuitively known since…oh….about 1995 or so. But, having ‘felt’ it for a decade still may not compensate or serve to ease many Wolfpackers pain this morning. You went to bed last night without letting all of the ramifications of your arch-rival’s newly minted National Championship sink into your system, and you have woken this morning to a landscape that has never existed in the history of NC State’s Basketball program.

As of THIS MORNING, NC State is further behind UNC-CH in National Basketball Titles (and ACC Titles) than we have been at any point in the entire history of college basketball. Additionally, there has never been a day on this earth where BOTH Carolina and Duke held this lead in ACC and National Championships over NC State.

Think about that for a moment…especially you jackasses that constantly degrade our tradition because you can’t grasp its magnitude…and you Fowlerites and Kennellites who openly proclaim that NC State athletics should not strive to contend for Championships or measure to the standards of Carolina and Duke. (I wish that someone would have told us this was NC State’s “not goal” [since we don’t have any goals or measurements] BEFORE we were solicited to pony-up tens of thousands of dollars just to sit in dead arena and watch the college version of the Washington Generals go out and tackle one of the nations worst non-conference schedules on an annual basis.)


Lee Fowler is our Athletics Director, and as of THIS MORNING, the Athletics Department that he leads has NEVER, EVER been further behind Carolina’s and Duke’s in championships.

Surely you don’t wonder why this could be the case.

BJD on Monday night
As I have watched UNC play defense all tournament long and dispatch opponents with shocking ease, I have made my piece with Roy Boy getting his second ring. I sure as hell don’t like it, but I can accept it. Suggested coping methods (put yours in the comments):

1) Grudgingly admit that UNC is a worthy champion. Other than Hansbrough’s whiny antics, I have no real disgust for any of their players. They play hard, play together, and keep up an entertaining pace. Contrast that to Deano’s peak years.

2) It will really piss off Coach K. Roy’s run in Chapel Hill is making K so jealous that I believe he would blow Dwon Clifton on TV to sign John Wall. Sorry for the nightmare fuel. As queasy as we will be around 11:28 pm, you can take comfort that at least one man will be even more inconsolable.

3) Feel good for the nice Hole fans that you know. As you know, Hole fans are more prevalent than flies on dogshit in mid-August. Because the sheer numbers are so high, you have to know at least a few that you don’t want to punch. If you’re local, it’s possible a subset of those fans (well, probably all of them) actually went to school there. If you live in Boston, these are probably the same people who pretend that they liked the Patriots before they were good (and strangely don’t know who Steve Grogan is).

That’s all I have. Thank God it will be all over soon, save for the gayest riot you’ve ever seen.

About BJD95

1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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229 Responses to Coping With Another Hole Title (Updated 9am Tuesday)

  1. Defenestrator 04/06/2009 at 7:45 PM #

    today we are all Spartans!

  2. Alpha Wolf 04/06/2009 at 7:49 PM #

    We’re the Green and White from State
    And we know we are the best
    Hands behind our backs we will take on all the rest
    Go to hell Carolina
    Michigan and UConn stand in line
    We’re the green and white from Michigan State

    Go STATE!

  3. CStanley 04/06/2009 at 7:51 PM #

    The only hope is that it will be difficult for Carolina to beat MSU twice in one season in what is essentially more or less home games for the Spartans (the latter for a title game with about 60,000 of their own fans there).

    I think it’s going to be tougher than the first game…but UNC won that by 35. I think they win going away, again. This time by 15.

    Fuck Carolina, their fans, Hansbrough, Roy and everything else associated with that school. I won’t take solace in anything from this game. They could lose every starter on this team and still reload and make a run next year.


  4. BJD95 04/06/2009 at 7:55 PM #

    They played the sound clip of Packer exclaiming “They won it! On the dunk!”

    Briefly, I was happy.

  5. blpack 04/06/2009 at 7:55 PM #

    I refused to watch Hanstraveler long ago. I am glad this is it for him. Good riddance. Go MSU!

  6. Dr. BadgerPack 04/06/2009 at 8:01 PM #

    Take a shot every time Hansborough travels. What happens in the second half won’t make a dang bit of difference…

  7. spanky 04/06/2009 at 8:04 PM #

    blpack hit the nail on the head for me…. the fact that I will never ever have to watch Hansbrough play again… I am tempted by the Good Doctor’s advice but I just don’t think that would be wise on a school night when I do have to actually attend class tomorrow….

  8. BJD95 04/06/2009 at 8:11 PM #

    I just hope it’s a game at halftime. Don’t want to go to bed yet.

  9. BJD95 04/06/2009 at 8:16 PM #

    Best nugget of analysis so far from Forrest Kellogg – he expects both teams to try really hard. Awesome!

  10. spanky 04/06/2009 at 8:20 PM #

    When Michigan State struggles they turn the ball over… continued fantastic analysis…

  11. BJD95 04/06/2009 at 8:23 PM #

    He will break out “they need to make more shots” any minute now.

  12. travelwolf 04/06/2009 at 8:25 PM #

    NC State fans may have a program that sucks, but we know our basketball… i agree – holes will blow it wide open eventually. hell, it’s an NBA team against a meager college team. maybe after this game, they’ll pass a recruiting rule that you can’t have more than 3 all-american’s on your team at one time?

  13. CStanley 04/06/2009 at 8:27 PM #

    Ballgame. Already.

  14. spanky 04/06/2009 at 8:29 PM #

    You know… sometimes when I watch us play… or watch UNX play and desperately want them to lose (always) regardless of previous stats I tend to feel cautiously optimistic…. I never once had that feeling… and I’m glad the way it has started… no let down…

  15. BJD95 04/06/2009 at 8:31 PM #

    Jesus, Carolina is playing great. I didn’t know they had a higher gear than they showed in the last three games.

    Roy Williams is going to go down as the best coach in ACC history. I told some Hole colleagues last year that Roy would win at least 4 or 5 titles at UNC.

    They laughed at me. How could anyone do more than Saint Dean?

  16. CStanley 04/06/2009 at 8:33 PM #

    BJD, I’m not sure Carolina has ever had a team this good. They’ve had some teams with tremendous talent, but none have ever played together as well as this one. They have waltzed to this title, with ease.

    If Roy continues to churn out teams like this…he may win 4 or 5.

  17. tvp1 04/06/2009 at 8:33 PM #

    Fuck me. I knew this would not be a close game, but this is a massacre.

    By the way, props on the K-Dwon Clifton comment. That and “the gayest riot you’ve ever seen” had me rolling.

  18. BJD95 04/06/2009 at 8:35 PM #

    4-2 Sparty run with Drew in the game. Hope he enjoyed his minute.

  19. spanky 04/06/2009 at 8:38 PM #

    The most common sense Carolina fan I’ve ever talked to has been my father, who’s father was a Duke fan since the ’30’s… and a lot of common sense is involved… My father thinks that the nose was a better x’s and o’s guy but that Roy is a better recruiter and better motivator. He thinks that this will carry them further into tournaments and we agreed with the same premise that BJD said to his colleagues… my response was “and it sucks”

  20. nikemike 04/06/2009 at 8:39 PM #

    Drew’s awful. Davis, unfortunately, may be ungodly before he’s done in Chapel Hill.

    What does UNC’s point guard situation look like in the post-Lawson era?

  21. BJD95 04/06/2009 at 8:43 PM #

    After K finishes (and swallows) with Dwon, Wall will call Roy and commit.

  22. BJD95 04/06/2009 at 8:45 PM #

    UNC on pace to win by 87.

  23. BJD95 04/06/2009 at 8:46 PM #

    Forrest calls for Sparty to make more shots at the 9:25 mark. I called that one.

  24. BJD95 04/06/2009 at 8:51 PM #

    Anthony Bourdain is on the travel channel now. I’m just sayin’.

  25. CStanley 04/06/2009 at 8:54 PM #

    I just came across Ricky the Dragon Steamboat wrestling on the WWE. WTF?

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