Basketball Bytes – Hansbrough fouls even in celebration (11:15 updated w/ column on Roy)

So much going on out there that we couldn’t ignore it all and thought you would appreciate a comprehensive entry following-up on a lot of topics.


This couldn’t be more classic.

The picture to the left was taken by the N&O/Charlotte Observer’s Robert Willett after Monday night’s NCAA Championship game and served as the front page for the Charlotte Observer.  A better version of the picture can be seen by clicking here. Do us a favor and click there to drive some traffic in return for us posting the pic; and, while you are ‘surfing’ why not hit our new Google ads a bit 🙂

I want you to take note of Tyler Hansbrough right arm and the odd positioning of his body while he is running.  Compare his ‘running’ posture to that of every other player in the picture (and every other player in the world).  Sheesh…Hansbrough is friggin pushing-off and attempting to slow down the faster Wayne Ellington as the Tarheels storm the court to celebrate.  Some things never change, eh?  It is not even natural when you look at positioning of his body.  I am 100% serious, who runs like that?  ‘Psycho T’ is so accustomed to knocking around others that he literally cannot step onto the court even in celebration without creating some kind of contact with people around him.  We later learned that this contact resulted in Hansbrough shooting two extra free throws hours after the game.

Going pro

  • It appears Wake Forest will experience a 1-1-1 situation between their roster and the NBA as James Johnson is gone; Jeff Teague will test the waters without an agent; and Al Farouq-Aminu will return to Winston-Salem.  (Link)
  • Lots of smoke emerging around Gerald Henderson and Ed Davis. (Link) These are potential ‘conference transformers’ next year.  The ACC would be shaping up for someone like NC State to make a move if we were better positioned to take advantage of the changes.
  • Out in the desert the great Herb Sendek will lose the services of All-American guard, James Harden.  (Link) Sendek ‘coincidently’ hired Harden’s coach just before Harden committed to the Sun Devils; so, it appears Harden’s old coach will out last him in Phoenix.  Harden will go down as one of the greatest players in ASU history and will finish his career with a 20-16 conference record and a 1-1 record in his lone NCAA Tournament appearance.  ASU will have two of their players drafted this summer as all-conference post player, Jeff Pendergraph was a senior.  Maybe it is becoming more clear why coach Sendek tried to position himself for jobs at Virginia, Georgia and Kentucky this off-season.  It’s a shame the Athletics Directors at those schools don’t ‘know basketball’ like the media and Lee Fowler.
  • Sean Miller’s first year at Arizona isn’t going to be easy as he may lose his three best players; two have already jumped. I know that was some good money; but I can’t help but wonder a little about this move.
  • If you want more on early entries you will enjoy this link at Rush the Court.  It is funny to see ‘unranked’ Brandon Costner’s name sitting there.  Also of interest is Florida’s Nick Calathes.  It is good to see Calathes’ name on the list considering his performance against NC State last year and the fact the Gators visit the RBC Center next season.

Coaching talk

  • Fran McCaffery has reportedly signed a new eight year contract at Siena.  (Link) I personally think that McCaffery would have ended up at Virginia if the Cavaliers had not landed Tony Bennett (or someone from that similar tier).  I can’t help but keep my eye on McCaffery.
  • Florida State’s Leonard Hamilton got a five year contract at Florida State.  As RTC said, ‘ensuring another half-decade of mediocrity in Tallahassee.’

Roy Williams Haskell? (update)

  • Mike Freeman of CBS Sportsline doesn’t seem to be as enamored with the “Aww Shucks” personna of Roy Williams as some: Williams has been able to pull off one of the neatest tricks in all of sports — portraying himself as a golly-gee guy while quietly being just as cutthroat and bottom line as almost every other person in his profession. The only difference between Jim Calhoun and Williams is public temperament and spoken accent.” That’s not the only firecracker Freeman tosses at Ole Roy’s feet, and it is entertaining reading to be sure. Maybe we should send Freeman a live-feed link to the Roy Williams Show where he jumps on his fans?


  • RTC ran a very cool series on the best team of the modern era – UNLV from 1991 won.
  • As a follow-up to the previous Hansbrough comments you should take a look at Deadspin’s entry. It is hilarious, as is the video in it that we are including below.

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70 Responses to Basketball Bytes – Hansbrough fouls even in celebration (11:15 updated w/ column on Roy)

  1. jbpackfan 04/09/2009 at 10:56 AM #

    Did ya’ll hear about Gainey? Will Levi be promoted, or do you think they’ll make an outside hire?

  2. Wolf Dog 04/09/2009 at 11:27 AM #

    Hans, Montross, Todd Fuller..etc. I seem them having parallel pro careers. Hans lacks foot speed and that little pump fake–feet shuffle—and goofy shot will not make it in NBA. He will see his shots going the other way many times. He’s short for center and slow for forward. That and whatever he takes to be that wired and his eyes glazed over for a game won’t cut it in the NBA.

    Good piece on Roy, he learned from Dean. In public they good ol boys, otherwise they both hard ass coachs and cut throat recruiters. Sore losers when they lose a recruit too. Still waiting on Dean to admit he or one of his staff turned us in over David Thompson.

  3. xphoenix87 04/09/2009 at 11:34 AM #

    Random question for anyone out there. I’m putting together a speech for my public speaking class about the utter incompetence of Lee Fowler. I’ve been able to find plenty of good material (much thanks to SFN for being such a great source of info), but I haven’t been able to find a copy of the open letter Fowler sent to the fans telling us not to boo Chuck Amato. Does anybody know where I could find that, or does anybody have it saved and can post it on here for me? I’d greatly appreciate it.

    Alpha: see send us your speech using the contact form on the site…it may well end up as an article! Good luck.

    Thanks for the link Alpha. At some point, I’ll try to type the thing up in article form at some point and send it in.

  4. Greywolf 04/09/2009 at 11:43 AM #

    Why is it taking Sid so long? Most any “good” coach would have systems in place to have the team he is coaching be “good.” Sid did not when he came to NCSU. And it probably cost him a few wins in all three seasons.
    Is a few more wins what we want? How about making the Sweet 16? Beating the bottom feeders regularly? If the answer to these questions is yes, Sid may not be the coach for you. Coaching to be “good” takes a different level of coaching than coaching to be great or to be champions. Bad example but one the illustrates the concept: Changing your shooting style from push shot to jump shot, you will experience a period when you aren’t going to be as effective as you were with your push shot. (I’m old enough to have gone through that change.) But shooting a push shot is going to inhibit your game in the long run.
    IMO some of the team’s failures can be attributed to changing styles of play — changes that are absolutely essential to moving to the next level. Making the NCAAT or NIT is NOT moving to the next leve. Making the NCAAT or NIT is staying exactly where we were with our last “good” coach.
    Our “defend the paint” defense is about what most of our athletes were capable of these past three years. If we are still “defending the paint” in year 4, I will be the first to holler. On offense you can move the speed up in degrees. On defense it’s either defend the paint or pressure the ball (or some other dynamic defense). Full court pressure is just unavailble as an option IMO.
    I’m not looking for an excuse, I’m looking to see what our prospects are based on the talent we have coming back and coming in, NOT looking in the rear view mirror to see where we are going.

  5. PackMan97 04/09/2009 at 11:46 AM #

    UNC vs MSU – Lowest ratings for a NCAA Championship game EVAH.

    At least something good came of it.

  6. Cosmo96 04/09/2009 at 11:52 AM #

    Did ya’ll hear about Gainey? Will Levi be promoted, or do you think they’ll make an outside hire?

    I haven’t heard anything. What’s all this about?

  7. Alpha Wolf 04/09/2009 at 12:00 PM #

    Good news for the Chief:

    Looks like he’s going to lose one of his recruits for some shenanigans.

  8. ldr of the pk 75 04/09/2009 at 12:03 PM #

    off subject, but Tim Clark is the early leader of the Masters having shot a good 68. A ray of sunshine for Wolfpackers.

  9. jbpackfan 04/09/2009 at 12:06 PM #

    ^^Gainey to Elon. He is taking an assistant coach position.

  10. Noah 04/09/2009 at 12:30 PM #

    Why is it taking “Sid” so long? Garsh! I wonder why a coach with a career .250 winning percentage whose has finished every one of his seasons here in the bottom third of the league can’t win more? That’s a total mystery. Next, we’ll address the topic of why Phylis Diller isn’t getting any prettier.

  11. Noah 04/09/2009 at 12:33 PM #

    UNC vs MSU – Lowest ratings for a NCAA Championship game EVAH.

    The ratings for the NCAA tournament have been getting lower and lower for the entire decade.

    This is why the argument about all the GAZILLIONS of dollars that are there for the taking by simply adopting a playoff-format for college football is bogus.

    Did you know that every single bowl game that was played after 12/25 got a better rating than either of the last two Final Fours? The fourth quarter of the Penn State-USC blowout this year beat the crap out of the Final Four.

  12. Wolf Dog 04/09/2009 at 1:47 PM #

    One less recruit the chief got to find a scholarship for. Need a couple more to get arrested to go along with those that will be NQs and the chief can get everyone in this fall.

    I would like to see someone rank recruiting classes in August. Rank them according to who actually steps on campus!

    I know you can’t judge every kid and know what they will do, but got to give TOB credit for judging character when he recruits.

  13. BSIE80 04/09/2009 at 2:11 PM #

    Phylis Diller is or was an entertainer not a model.

    Also, beauty is in the eye of te beholder, or something like that….

  14. Wolf Dog 04/09/2009 at 2:12 PM #

    “I wonder why a coach with a career .250 winning percentage….” Noah

    That not fair to Sid. He took over as an intern coach and it not fair to keep talking about his NBA record. Pro and college success does not always compare. How about Steve Spurrier, Lou Holtz, Calapari, Pinto, etc. They did terrible in the pros and they got to choose the teams they coached.

    Larry Brown .280 with the knicks and ~.420 with Bobcats. Takes time to change over a loser roster even in the pros.

    No use to keep slamming Sid. He’s our coach for now so lets save it and hope he rights the ship this year.

  15. packbackr04 04/09/2009 at 2:17 PM #

    spurrier. Natnl title, HOF coach
    Holtz Natnl Title, HOF coach
    Pitino. natnl title, HOF coach
    Larry Brown, natnl title, HOF coach

    youre right, there really is no comparison

  16. Wolf Dog 04/09/2009 at 2:19 PM #

    College national championships not Pros! To restate my point again since it went over someone’s head. I stated that successful college coaches don’t always do so well in the pros.

    That was in response to Noah posting coach Lowe has a .250 career record. That is not accurate. That would be his pro record. Coach Lowe has a winning overall record as college coach at NCSU. He is 51-46.

    I think it fair to Coach Lowe if you going to bring up his pro career tell the whole story. Lowe was the fifth head coach in the Vancover Grizzilies short history taking over as an interm coach and led them to a franchise best record year while the coach there before they relocated to Memphis. Lowe is the most successful coach in Vancover Grizzly history. Then with a depleted roster and among franchise turmoil he resigned in Memphis.

  17. Alpha Wolf 04/09/2009 at 2:49 PM #

    “Larry Brown .280 with the knicks and ~.420 with Bobcats”

    What was his record with the Detroit Pistons? 108-56 with one title in two years.
    And in Philly he was .556 in six years with five playoff appearances and one loss in the Finals.

    You need to tell the whole story. Brown’s teams improve year to year. And to think we MIGHT have been able to get him after HWSNBN. UNC or no UNC, I would have been ecstatic to have Larry Brown patrolling the Wolfpack sidelines.

  18. Thinkpack17 04/09/2009 at 2:53 PM #

    ^^^No Larry Brown for me. He will jump ship and leave you in the cold in a heartbeat.^^^

  19. CannonballJunior 04/09/2009 at 3:01 PM #

    1991 UNLV – a team that didn’t make it past the semi’s – is their #1??? My first thought is that this is a ridiculous choice.

    Then I read through their rationale for selecting the 1991 UNLV squad. My final thought is that this is indeed a ridiculous choice.

  20. Wulfpack 04/09/2009 at 3:02 PM #

    Coach Lowe has a winning overall record as college coach at NCSU. He is 51-46.

    Stop the presses! (Sorry to be so sarcastic here, but with 10 games a year against Lipscomb, NC Central, Winston Salem State, etc…you get my point).

    Lowe is the most successful coach in Vancover Grizzly history.

    That might be the quote of the day, considering THE GRIZZLIES DON’T EXIST ANYMORE and existed for all of a whopping SIX seasons, and considering you are WRONG, as that distinction goes to Brian Winters who collected 36 wins 1995-1997. Lowe collected only 23 wins in Vancouver before the franchise moved to Memphis.

    Then with a depleted roster and among franchise turmoil he resigned in Memphis.

    His final year there Lowe was 23-67. Then Hubie Brown takes over, goes 83-85 in a couple of seasons and wins the NBA Coach of the Year award the season after Lowe was canned.

    Look, I get the gist of our argument. You cannot judge a college coach by his record in the NBA. However, when you have NO OTHER RECORD as a head coach with which to speak of, you are going to be judged by what you have to show for. And that’s what Lowe has to show for — not very much. And just because it is so easy to negate NBA coaching experience as some sort of criteria as a good coach, it also does not mean in any way that he is a good coach today. His record, past and current, don’t support the assertion.

  21. Noah 04/09/2009 at 3:20 PM #

    He is an AWFUL coach. He is, has been, and always will be an AWFUL coach. The only question left is whether he’ll sink the program to the Robinsonian depths of the mid-1990s.

    Robinson, at least, had the excuse of probation and horrible academic restrictions.

    Lowe, Staack, Wade and Shyatt can be the ACC’s Mount Rushmore of fail.

  22. VaWolf82 04/09/2009 at 3:29 PM #

    He is an AWFUL coach. He is, has been, and always will be an AWFUL coach.


    The thing that keeps me from agreeing with you is how good the offense looked when Atsur was playing hurt.

  23. Greywolf 04/09/2009 at 3:37 PM #

    April 9th, 2009 at 10:42 am
    “No one had mentioned Sidney Lowe and his standing in this thread until you did.”
    Suggestion, if you don’t like the content of a post, skip to the next one.
    FWIW I admittedly caught a couple of references to possible replacements at NCSU. I didn’t think anybody was screaming for his head, but it is news to me that no one was thinking about the mentioned coaches as potential replacements for Sidney Lowe. Yeah, that is quite a surprise.
    I did find myself wondering what it was that had our progress be so slow, given our strong finish in the ACCT Sid’s first year. Rebuilding a basketball or football team is not too dissimilar to renovating a building. Sometimes you have to completely gut an existing structure and others you can use much more of the existing. Mike Krzyzewski likely did the equivilent of gutting, when he started putting in his system when he came to Duke and went T5, T6, & 7th his first 3 years. (And we know what THAT kind of record means about a coaches long term ability, right Noah?)
    Sid likely did a combo, which hurt him in the fans eyes because he came close to winning. Had Sid started out running and TRYING to play strong perimeter D looking to cause turnovers, we had gotten the crap beat out of us in every game. If Sid had gone that route he could have sold the rebuild story much easier than by beating Carowhiner his first year, running deep in the ACCT and NIT, building up hope and expectations. Maybe not youall but I for sure had them.
    TOB likely could have won more games last year had he not red-shirted Glennon. Lowe likely could have won more games putting together a “good team” instead of working with Gonzales and Degand to push the pace. I’m speculating that with the athletes to push the pace, the Pack will be a very pleasant surprise in 09-10. I am interested in others take on this as a possible reason for our “slower” won-loss start in the Lowe tenure which is why I posted it. I considered what I had to say inquiring, not provoking. No offense intended.
    Like you said, some “enjoy talking about college basketball at large”. Well, some enjoy talking about the specifics of what it takes to coach a successful team. Maybe SFN is not the place for that. I expect I’ll here from a mod if it’s not.

  24. 61Packer 04/09/2009 at 3:41 PM #

    Best college basketball teams I ever saw were the 1968 and 1969 UCLA teams. One of those had 4 of the first 5 AAs including Lew Alcindor, and they had a zone press that kept most teams from even getting the ball downcourt. The modern teams may be more physical, but dominance to me is the mark of a great team, and their domination was total. The ’68 UNC team lost to the Bruins 78-55 in the finals, and the game wasn’t nearly that close. The 1990 Vegas team was among the best of the “modern” teams, but since they had problems inside with Laettner, imagine the problems they would’ve had inside with Alcindor. And don’t forget who was coaching those Bruins teams.

  25. 61Packer 04/09/2009 at 3:49 PM #

    “Lowe, Staack, Wade and Shyatt can be the ACC’s Mount Rushmore of fail.”

    Lee Fowler is more deserving.

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