NCAAT Saturday Round of 32 Open Thread (Geaux Tigers!)

Great games late last night – in terms of excitement. Not so great for the ACC, as Wake and BC got demolished and Florida State (much like Clemson) played half asleep for most of the game, and paid the price. 3-4 in the First Round for the “mighty” ACC – with 2 of the 3 wins against Radford and Binghamton. Gruesome stuff.

Your stat of the day is zero – the number of teams that NC State beat whose seasons are still alive today.

Back to ACC suckage – Miami got blown out at Florida last night, and Baylor demolished the Hokies in Blacksburg today. Even in the NIT, the league couldn’t do squat.

Challenge for the SFN community – come up with some bed shitting collapses to rival that of Wake Forest, who spent most of the year in the Top Ten, but got spanked in the first round of both the ACCT and NCAAT. The best I could come up with NC State in 1989 losing to a 1-13 Maryland team in the ACCT quarters. But that team rebounded to make the Sweet Sixteen before getting screwed on a bogus travelling call against Georgetown. So, I think Wake still wins.

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133 Responses to NCAAT Saturday Round of 32 Open Thread (Geaux Tigers!)

  1. ncsufan23 03/21/2009 at 7:07 PM #

    Darion Caldwell dominates!

  2. buttPACKer 03/21/2009 at 7:18 PM #

    this in a New York Times article titled “Boheim (sp) takes a shot for Sendek”:

    “But when it came to more serious matters, Boeheim sent a more piercing shot toward the administration at North Carolina State. Sendek led the N.C. State to five consecutive N.C.A.A. tournament bids but was constantly badgered by a fan base that always wanted more. After Sendek left, N.C. State conducted a dysfunctional coaching search that has become a gold standard in college basketball circles for ineptitude. They settled on an alum, Sidney Lowe, who hasn’t led them to any N.C.A.A. tournaments. He hasn’t even won more than six games in the A.C.C.

    So when asked what he thought about Arizona State hiring Sendek, Boeheim’s final jab of the day wasn’t so good humored.

    “I thought somebody was pretty stupid and somebody was pretty smart,” Boeheim said. “I’m not going to mention which one.”

    If you need help to figure out which school he’s referring to, check which one isn’t in your N.C.A.A. bracket. ”

    Now to the next person on this blog who states that WE won’t let this issue die. . . FU*K YOU!

    THIS REALLY BURNS MY ASS. –in large part, because it is fuc*king true!–except the whole thing about us being the bad guy wanting “more” from that mediocre boob.

  3. choppack1 03/21/2009 at 7:35 PM #

    “After Sendek left, N.C. State conducted a dysfunctional coaching search that has become a gold standard in college basketball circles for ineptitude. They settled on an alum, Sidney Lowe, who hasn’t led them to any N.C.A.A. tournaments. He hasn’t even won more than six games in the A.C.C.”

    Someone should e-mail this article to the Technician, Status Quoblinger and Lee Fowler. I’m no fan of the NYT, but when a major media publication calls your search “the gold standard in college basketball circles for ineptitude” – it’s pretty obvious someone didn’t do their job!

  4. LRM 03/21/2009 at 7:37 PM #

    Rick B. vs. K in Greensboro. Excuse me while I go have a good cry over what could have been.

  5. Wulfpack 03/21/2009 at 7:41 PM #

    Duke getting a great contribution from Zoubek thus far. Where is Texas’ big man?

  6. redfred2 03/21/2009 at 7:50 PM #

    X

  7. LRM 03/21/2009 at 7:55 PM #

    Look, by most accounts Sendek is unassuming, intelligent, friendly and (supposedly) has a generally likeable disposition, and it’s very clearly evident that he is very well-respected and well-liked within his coaching fraternity and also by the media. Their opinions have been formed based upon their personal relationships and experiences with him, and in many cases these coaches and media have developed friendships with him.

    So of course they are going to judge him by a different standard than a fan base that he never understood or never tried to relate to, and one he showed remarkable deference towards those of us that demanded accountability during his tenure. For them, the numbers don’t have to add up — for us, they did.

    The media’s opinion of him will never change, and he’s in the perfect situation now to prove them right, so my advice is to ignore it, because we have far greater problems now as a program than to worry about what Steve Lavin & Co. thinks of what we did to their friend.

  8. Noah 03/21/2009 at 7:56 PM #

    Boeheim and the others can continue paint Herb Sendek as the best collegiate BB coach to ever walk the planet.

    Where did they do that?

    Sendek IS a pretty good coach. If he wins tomorrow, he’ll have taken three teams to the Sweet 16. Yes, I know. We wanted more than that. But he IS a pretty good coach.

    We let a pretty good coach get away and we replaced him with a complete piece of crap.

    That IS stupid and we deserve to get called on it. And we deserve to get called stupid for letting the people who put us in this boat keep their jobs. That doesn’t have ANYTHING to do with Sendek.

  9. buttPACKer 03/21/2009 at 7:58 PM #

    hopefully, something positive–such as a complete house cleaning–will happen soon. . .

  10. Wulfpack 03/21/2009 at 8:04 PM #

    Had we replaced Herb with a capable coach and we were still playing, this would be a non-issue. But we didn’t, and we aren’t, and for that I am in agreement that we look like total fools.

    This isn’t about Herb. This is about NC State’s ineptitude and subsequent suckdom 3 years running.

  11. BJD95 03/21/2009 at 8:06 PM #

    Letting Sendek go was not stupid. The subsequent search and hire most certainly were.

    RF is right – any national publicity that shines light on how shitty we handled the search (especially using terms like “gold standard for incompetence”) is great for us. No matter how much the same piece canonizes Sendek.

    Go back to our “Closing the Book on Sendek” post. We told you we wouldn’t be surprised if he took the lessons learned and took the next step forward as a coach.

    Bottom line is that Herb Sendek and NC State both needed a fresh start. Herb Sendek just made more of the opportunity than NC State did.

  12. john of sparta 03/21/2009 at 8:11 PM #

    61packer:
    Westminster Kennel Club dog show?
    how about the National Spelling Bee?
    or even the National Hockey League?
    they are 1,2,3 in cable ratings
    above any NCSU anything.
    truth hurts.

  13. NJpack 03/21/2009 at 8:15 PM #

    Excellent point Wulfpack, had we hired anyone with a decent college coaching background, the Herb factor would be a non-issue. When we eventually fire Lowe, everyone outside of NC State will say, “what the hell did you guys expect with him?” Fowler has to go before we conduct our next coaching search, otherwise he will settle on Kenny Inge from Cary Academy to be the next coach.

  14. buttPACKer 03/21/2009 at 8:15 PM #

    NCSUcks > our new logo! maybe they can fashion a block S around that.

  15. Wulfpack 03/21/2009 at 8:16 PM #

    Well I will firmly disagree that letting Herb go AND replacing him with Sid WAS stupid. We didn’t have a plan and we’re still paying the price for the total mismanagement of the whole situation.
    The folks with all the ill will ought towars Herb ought to take a hard look at it and channel that anger from a guy doing his thing 3000 miles away to the fools that botched the whole thing and still haven’t figured it out.

    Herb did what he could here and he was enormously more successful than both the guyb he replaced and his replacement. You guys have got the wrong guy.

  16. LRM 03/21/2009 at 8:18 PM #

    On a positive note, I don’t hear much from other coaches or read much from the media about Sid being a good coach, so in seven years when we’re finally able to run him off, I don’t foresee there being much backlash.

  17. highstick 03/21/2009 at 8:24 PM #

    Ironically I went back and read the same thread yesterday on “Closing the Book on Sendek”. I probably agree that Herb learned something which is a heckuva lot more than our AD, Wolfpack Club, those who buy tickets and donate, and Administration have learned from the tenures of Les and Herb and regretfully the last three years under Lowe.

    You very well may be right, Herb learned something(however minor that may be), but there’s another group closer and more dear to our hearts that don’t seem to have learned squat!

    As bad as I totally have disdain for anything as vulgar as an LSU fan, I was pulling for them today. All I got to see though was the end of the game run that the Bungholes did at the end though!

  18. NJpack 03/21/2009 at 8:30 PM #

    My final thoughts on Sendek are had he come to NC State with 10 more years of coaching experience, as he did to ASU, his outcome here would have been different. For the first few years we got the “learning on the job” Herb, who was adjusting to life in the big city in the ACC. I think the State Fan reaction in his final NCAA game with us when we lost to Texas was something along the lines of, “the Princeton offense is not working, if I have to watch one more game where we just pass around the perimeter and finally have someone chuck an ill-advised 3 pointer, I’m going to scream. And by the way, can anyone get a damn rebound?”

    At ASU, with 10 years of lessons learned in his bald head, his offensive scheme does have more fluidity to it. But the bottom line is a lot of that is James Harden. If there is one common thread to our struggles at NC State, it’s that we have not had the overall talent to compete with UNC and Duke. With Herb you can say “What if”, as in what if Damien Wilkins would have worked out, what if Josh Powell had stayed until he was a senior, what if Eltimov had not torn his ACL? The talent did not come together all in the same season. We needed Hodge plus at least two more high quality guys in the same year and never got it. We’ll see how Herb does after Harden goes pro.

    With Lowe, with all due respect to him, he’s out of his league as an ACC coach, factor in that we have no one making even the 3rd team all-ACC, and what you get is another bottom of the conference finish.

  19. smile102 03/21/2009 at 8:30 PM #

    “Bottom line is that Herb Sendek and NC State both needed a fresh start. Herb Sendek just made more of the opportunity than NC State did.”
    Well said.

  20. BJD95 03/21/2009 at 8:34 PM #

    Carolina is going to beat the shit out of Gonzaga next week.

  21. blpack 03/21/2009 at 8:34 PM #

    Lawson hit for 23 today? Really hurt.
    RB vs. K. Oh my.

  22. redfred2 03/21/2009 at 8:37 PM #

    X

  23. BJD95 03/21/2009 at 8:38 PM #

    Duke has survived Texas’ push. I’m expecting a 12+ point final margin here.

    Damn it.

  24. Ed89 03/21/2009 at 8:40 PM #

    ^^^Coaching in the ACC is mediocre because UNC, Duke, and biased ACC officiating has run off many good coaches.

    /Seth Greenberg’d

    Ding, Ding. WINNER. —

    TWO WORDS ———————-

    Rick Barnes….ya wonder why he didn’t want to coach for State???????????????

  25. Ed89 03/21/2009 at 8:47 PM #

    That charge call on James — the flop by Zoubek is one of the worst calls EVEERRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!

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