CJ Leslie Officially Re-Opens Recruitment

As most regular readers know, SFN has hinted at this development since January, but now that Dave Telep is bringing it into the public domain (note – this is a premium article, so we won’t post any content), we can be more explicit. CJ Leslie has re-opened his commitment, and is no longer an NC State verbal.

We have definitely heard that Memphis will be heavily involved. I have lamented that April 11, 2006 was the day that NC State’s basketball program died, after many years on life support. That was the day John Calipari, arguably the perfect coach for NC State, said no. Go ahead, re-read the Dan Wetzel article we linked and try not to slit your wrists.

And Calipari is the gift that keeps on giving for NC State. Despite self-serving and transparently jealous/defense mechanism comments from some calling Calipari a “thug” or a guy who could only get his players in at Memphis – please note we are fishing from the same waters. DeMarcus Cousins, probably John Wall, and now maybe CJ Leslie. The only difference is that Calipari actually wins these recruiting battles. Does anyone have any doubt who would have come out on top if Calipari was at NC State, and Lowe at Memphis? Didn’t think so.

Now, it’s important to note what this does not mean. We have not been told that Leslie has definitely decided to go elsewhere. He maystill end up at NC State. But publicly de-committing is a very, very bad omen for Sidney Lowe and the health of his program entering the crucial 2009-10 season.

As far as the timing is concerned, we were told that CJ would re-open his commitment at the end of the basketball season. This weekend, he made good on what we were told he would do.

Link with audio comments about the situation from Dave Telep.

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183 Responses to CJ Leslie Officially Re-Opens Recruitment

  1. BJD95 03/15/2009 at 7:04 PM #

    Lots of wishful thinking late in this thread. Like I’ve said before, wish in one hand, shit in the other, and see which gets full first.

    This makes 2 straight seasons not even making the NIT. That it embarrassing. And the level of recruits we are bringing is not sufficient.

    It’s all over except for the collateral damage, which will only increase the longer Fowler and Lowe stay here.

    We should have known this experiment wouldn’t end well when Lowe brought a guy like QJ into the program.

  2. ADVENTUROO 03/15/2009 at 7:09 PM #

    Actually, I SUGGESTED….SCREAMED…for TOB to become the AD….that way we could hire Cowher (if he really WANTS to coach again…I’m retired….I’m enjoying it…why shouldn’t he enjoy it…especially with the BELLY ACHING here…)

    BUT TOB would be a GREAT AD…

    There HAS been a lot of improvement since last year….and a lot more is needed. I still think that the Fells and Costner “chemistry” issues are carrying over…not to mention the CONFIRMED rumors of certain player’s girl friends being bedded by…OTHERS…

    Sid had a LOT of personal and TEAM emotions to deal with last year.

    This year was MUCH better.

    Next year will be BETTER….

    If ANYONE needs phone number, email addresses, mail box drops for the WPC and Oblinger…POST…I’ll provide them…

    Maybe you guys should start carrying the signs that say…OBLINGER has to GO…

    OUT WITH LESS…

    I have REALLY thought about doing that…except my seats are NOT in the camera’s pan zone.

    Chill out…have another green beer…but QUIT BASHING SID….

  3. Wulfpack 03/15/2009 at 7:10 PM #

    Some want him to succeed so bad they are blinded by the wall of feces surrounding the program. They will never come to grips with it. Fine.

  4. redfred2 03/15/2009 at 7:11 PM #

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  5. BJD95 03/15/2009 at 7:15 PM #

    I agree Wulfpack. Not to make this a Sendek thread, but the armchair psychologist in me thinks it’s at least partially the need for vindication for wanting Herb gone.

  6. GAWolf 03/15/2009 at 7:25 PM #

    BJD: Some of us just realize the “wishful thinking” is in the hope that Fowler will be gone in the immediate future. What on earth makes you think that will happen? Fowler replacing Lowe will be another complete shot in the dark and given the inevitable negative press associate therewith we’d be talking about nothing short of a complete disaster.

    I just don’t see this “news” today or even our loss in the ACC Tournament OR even our record or play this year (given the facts of everything that’s gone on here) as being reason to lose our shit. I mean, seriously, what’s any different today than say two or three months ago minus the ridiculous false sense of hope some of you put on us making the NCAA tournament after just two games where we shot the lights out.

    Jumping off the cliff now doesn’t help. You could very well be right, and I guess if that’s what you’re after… someone being able to say “YOU WERE RIGHT!!!” some months after the fact…. then I guess I can understand the point of all this. You’ve even discussed that motivation openly herein. But if you think SFN, and I’m not knocking SFN because I do much prefer the conversations here over any other NC State associated outlet, will somehow cause our BOT to fire Fowler and hire Calipari I’m a little concerned about the sense of self-importance.

    None of us are happy about the state of our basketball program, but this kid saying he’s unsure about his decision may or may not be indicative of Sid’s complete and utter failure. There are certainly facts that point to a possible inability to get the job done here, but there are also facts that can point to the contrary as well.

    Like you, I always believe Wall was a pipe dream. The fact that his high school teammate might follow in his footsteps doesn’t really surprise me.

    Or maybe you know more specifics than the rest of us…

  7. GAWolf 03/15/2009 at 7:31 PM #

    Wulfpack: So what’s the opposite of that, assuming it’s fair to assume that would describe you? Are you pulling against Sid succeeding? I can think of no other reason in the world to do something like that other than to be able to say “I told you so.” We’re talking about one of our own here. I realize he might not succeed. I can deal with that. In fact, I won’t lose a second of sleep over it. But I’m not pulling against the guy anymore than I’m blindly in love with him.

    This argument has gotten remarkably similar to the Herb debate. It’s not about analyzing facts anymore as much as it’s about each guy here proving he’s on the right “side.”

    I’m just open to see what goes down with this and I am resolved in the fact that as long as Lee Fowler is here this is a stupid “debate” (or “cause” if that’s how emotionally attached you’ve become).

  8. redfred2 03/15/2009 at 7:31 PM #

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  9. Wulfpack 03/15/2009 at 7:44 PM #

    GAWolf, my point is that some are saying essentially that the reason he should stay on is because he’s one of our own. I’m sorry, but that’s some pretty shoddy reasoning.

    I don’t care who is leading our program. N.C. State grad, Wake Tech grad, UNC grad…I really don’t care, honestly, as long as he gets the job done. I’m sick and freaking tired of sucking. We are once again a laughingstock.

    No, I’m not routing against the guy. I want him to win and I want this program to shine. But I’m not seeing anyhing of late to provide any hope. The fact we are out of the tournament three years running, this is NC State, a school with TWO nationak titles and the third most ACC titles, is an absolute embarassment. What’s worse, we may not even make the NIT for two years in a row. THAT IS A PROBLEM. OPEN YOUR EYES.

    It’s everything. It’s the way the program is run, the lack of any kind of implementation of a system, continually passing blame on everyone but himself, including his very own players, they way he whistles to our point guards when they are trying to dribble the ball like they are in the 3rd grade…It all just doesn’t add up to me. Yes, my mind is made up. I’ve seen enough. We are a bad basketball team and I’m of he opinion next year we are worse. So I’m in the crowd that would rather us cut our losses now and get on with it than continue to watch the continued decline of our progam. I’m getting the sense that some aren’t realizing just how bad it is. But when there are about 10,000 in the RBC next year watching our beloved 3-8 Wolfpack limp their way to another season down the drain, then maybe, just maybe, they will get the picture. But based on some of the comments on here, I doubt it. All because “he’s one of our own”. Who cares?

  10. ClassOf95 03/15/2009 at 7:47 PM #

    Reading this has increased my support for Lowe. We all write these things hoping they will influence Oblinger or Fowler or whoever. Who’s to say Leslie hasn’t been reading this blog and it’s the lack of support for a 3rd year coach who has yet to get his own team on the court that has him wavering?

  11. choppack1 03/15/2009 at 7:48 PM #

    “Sid has beat UNC, Duke, and Wake (how long did it take Herb).”

    It took Herb 2 years. Of course, after his first 3 years, he had a better ACC record than Sid does now (if you count the ACC tournament) – so that should worry you A LOT if you are making these comparisons.

    I was looking at the ACC coaches who were getting the at-large bids, plus Greenberg (at VaTech.) The good news is that w/ the exception of Roy and Dino – most of these coaches didn’t make it their first 3 years. Al Skinner didn’t, Gary Williams didn’t, Seth Greenberg didn’t, Oliver Purnell didn’t, and as we’re constantly reminded, Coach K didn’t either. This shouldn’t be misinterpretted as a good sign, but rather, should comfort us that it doesn’t mean that Sid CAN’T do it.

    Sid can certainly turn around the ship. While losing Leslie isn’t good, I do worry about his character and the character of others. The bad news is that this hasn’t stopped us from recruting them hard. I don’t know that Wall, Cousins or Leslie are bad kids and it’s certainly not fair to think of them that way.

    Next year should be very telling. We’ve got enough returning talent to have some respectable results…

  12. Daily Update 03/15/2009 at 7:51 PM #

    Gawolf: I didn’t think the loss to Maryland really mattered. It was a crappy end to a crappy season…exactly what you and I expected. However, losing Cousins, Wall and now the commitment of CJ Leslie changes things. Losing a huge piece of what most people considered a main reason for hope in the future is a huge blow to the program. IMO, Lowe’s wings have been clipped on the recruiting trails. Hopefully Brown and Howell signed LOIs or else they could be next. Losing Leslie means that year 5 should be in total jeopardy for Sidney. We could easily be in a position where we cannot afford to keep him. Unfortunately, our current AD is known for keeping coaches well past the point of no return. In fact, it is his specialty. He is an expert in running athletic programs into the ground and that is exactly what is going to happen to the basketball program unless somebody at NC State all of sudden cares.

    I see it only getting worse from here.

    Why don’t the BOT, top donors and Chancellor seem to have the motivation to do what is necessary? At this point, it has nothing to do with wanting to be as good as Duke or UNC. Right now, the primary goal is to make sure Lee Fowler doesn’t put us permanently in the cellar of the conference.

    This isn’t what I expected to wake up to today. The basketball program is turning into a complete disaster and neither of the people involved with righting this ship have any track record of success in these situations.

    What a disaster…

  13. GAWolf 03/15/2009 at 7:53 PM #

    My only point in saying he’s one of our own is that I hope to hell you aren’t rooting against him. My eyes are very open. I went to the ACC Tournament and watched a terrible display of basketball. You don’t have to tell me how terrible we are. We’re bad. In fact, we’re so damned bad that I’m not sure there’s any coach who could win with our guys. I’m as baffled as anyone about the substitution patterns and I can second guess with the best of them… don’t you doubt that for a second.

    My beef here is that getting rid of him now while Lee Fowler is in control to make the hire is well… for lack of a better word… idiotic. As a group (and that’s what we are as fans, alumni, a university, et al) we have to recognize our limitations in making business decisions in the future. And until you show me a press conference where a proven and seasoned coach publicly announces he wants to come here (and I’m sure there is someone somewhere willing to take this mess on), I think you’re barking up the wrong tree. Otherwise you’re asking a guy who has already bungled one search to do something different the second time. Fool me once…

    That’s my opinion and it’s based on facts just as much as your opinion is. I understand why you’re upset and why you have the opinion you do. Don’t tell me to open my eyes. Who’s the one talking to 3rd graders again?

  14. turnoffthetv 03/15/2009 at 7:55 PM #

    I’ll tell u one thing: I have never in years been more clueless, confused, and lost with the substitution patterns this year. u can bet your butt that the players are confused and it shows on that dang court. I have watched every televised game(even a couple of internet streaming games). My point. Sid is clueless about how to manage players and playing time. SID or Larry Harris(some part of the coaching staff) deserve credit for getting some talented recruits in here thus far. But there is a difference in recruiting those players and coaching those players once they get here. That is what I am saying. WHO in the heck is gonna play in the next game? These are tell-tale signs of a confused coach and even more a sign of incompetent assistant coaches.

    Also with regards to the second half meltdowns, I somehow thought lately that this is due to poor CONDITIONING of players. No way these guys lose so much confidence and make so many MENTAL errors. I dont necessarily think these guys are lazy, rather they are simply exhausted because they are not in the shape they need to be in to make that stretch-RUN in the second half. How else would you come out with so much energy in half one and come out FLAT in the second half. U R FRICKIN TIRED.

  15. BAC79 03/15/2009 at 7:56 PM #

    A few observations:

    1. Our administration, coaches, athletic department, players and recruits could give a rats ass what we think, write, or say. Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional.

    2. We all want Sid to succeed. What we don’t want is another 5-10 year coach who is mired in mediocrity. Been there done that.

    3. We’re not discussing a coach in a recreational league. Sid is paid a huge salary to do a job. That job is to recruit players who will wear the uniform with pride, represent the University well and win. Some of the attitudes here remind me of the Wall Streeters who run their companies in the ground and cannot understand why they shouldn’t receive their accustomed millions in bonus money. Performance counts and so far I haven’t seen any from our basketball program.

    So in the end, it really doesn’t matter what we think. Until some six or seven figured donors have had enough, nothing will change. Get used to it.

  16. redfred2 03/15/2009 at 8:01 PM #

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  18. GAWolf 03/15/2009 at 8:13 PM #

    Ladies… nice discussing this with you, as always.

    To quote our good friend, Herb. The sun will come up tomorrow. I’ll go to work, I’ll deal with stuff a hell of a lot more important than a 17 year old being a wishy-washy and I’ll carry on with my life.

    I’m going to finish watching this NIT show on ESPNU to see if we made the field. If we don’t, I’ll probably shrug, say “meh” and go to sleep.

    I harbor no ill will towards any of you as we all bear the same cross in life… that being NC State grads/fans. Godspeed to us all. I think by now He knows we need it.

    Florida gets the 1… Miami the 4. We played both teams close. Maybe there’s a little hope here.

  19. Rufftown Wolf 03/15/2009 at 8:23 PM #

    You know when I saw ASU lose to USC last nite I had a flashback of all the crapy games that State had with passing the ball around for 35 secounds and we score 50 or 60 points. I’m glad that Herb left you know why because he didn’t want to be at State. Sid wants to be at State and he wants to win more than anyone on this freckin forum.

    The reason Sid knows how to breaks down man 2 man d is because that’s all they played in the NBA. They never play zone until a couple of years ago. The reason we started winning games this season was because Sid made the right adjustment by going big. Then other coaches like Coach K, R. Williams, & G Williams made an adjustment to the adjustment by playing zone on the Pack. Those coaches have over 20 years plus of coaching experience. So do you want to get rid of a guy that was one of the best point guards ever, coached by one of the best coaches ever, that has coached some of the players ever(even players that played for our rival) for somebody else. Ok who do you want to get?? Who?? Sean Miller that coaches Xavier and they throw a up a lucky half courter and beat Vriginia Tech?? I see how bad Sid hurts when they lose. He hates it. I can’t wait to see in 10 years if State still has Lowe and what the programs is like.

  20. Daily Update 03/15/2009 at 8:25 PM #

    Gawolf: I am totally with you on Fowler needing to be replaced first. However, what Leslie de-commiting has changed for me is that Sidney is in no way guaranteed of getting a 5th year. Just like Herb Sendek wouldn’t have gotten a 6th(I supported him being fired after year 4) if it hadn’t been for Julius Hodge’s commitment to NC State. Brown/Wood/Howell followed by Leslie/Harrow in 2010 was a reason for hope. Now with the 2010 class falling apart and the 2009 class not getting better, the timetable for possible actions needing to be taken has moved up one year.

    Which means that the first thing that has to happen is that Lee Fowler has to be replaced as soon as the Spring semester ends.

    You and I pretty much agree.

  21. redfred2 03/15/2009 at 8:25 PM #

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  22. Wulfpack 03/15/2009 at 8:26 PM #

    “And until you show me a press conference where a proven and seasoned coach publicly announces he wants to come here (and I’m sure there is someone somewhere willing to take this mess on), I think you’re barking up the wrong tree.”

    Coaches don’t publicly lobby for jobs.

    I think there would be hundreds of coaches salivating at the opportunity to coach an ACC school, including NC State with its 20,000 venue. I truly believe that. Open it up, and just see how many resumes and phone calls you get.

    You certainly have a srong point in regards to Jed bungling another search. However, I don’t know how you can get much worse than what we’ve got. Honestly. So I’ll take my chances.

    I wasn’t old enough to really know what happened in 1983, so maybe I’m not nearly as partial to one of our own than others. And for that, I’m happy for it. This is a big-time college basketball head coaching position paying big-time dollars. He’s not holding up his end of the bargain.

    And for anyone that cares, the NIT, the pinnacle of college basketball, just took a pass on your beloved Wolfpack. If that isn’t damning, I don’t know what is.

  23. ADVENTUROO 03/15/2009 at 8:32 PM #

    OK…so NO NIT…

    Let’s get over it…

    Take YOUR frustrations out on the ADMIN and the AD…not that it will do any good….

    Sid, other than Les, bleeds RED and WHITE…Les, God Bless Him, is a man with a heart of gold….just NOT a premier coach.

    Sid is LEARNING…and it WILL take time….he needs OUR support….not our criticism…

    As long as I think that Sid is doing his best with what talent he has….then I will support him. I have NOT seen any major blunders so far…do I question his judgement…sure…but my knowledge is about 1/1000ths of his….From a Technical Standpoint….Tony Hanes (Haines) is a REAL source of knowledge…but I doubt that he can actually coach.

    Calaparri, Calamarri, or whatever his name is….that was IDIOSITACY….Foul Up was being played like a well greased tuba…Cal had NO intention of coming here….Barnes was PROBABLY the best of the lot…but he seems pleased in TX….and what about that Grease Ball idiot on ESPN…I would have preferred to had Bernie Madoff coach us….at least HIS stats would look good.

    OUT with LF….RIGHT….but NOT at Sid’s expense.

  24. Uncle Everett 03/15/2009 at 8:32 PM #

    You guys getting your panties in a wad over a 17 yo kid with commitment issues is hilarious. One individual does not define a team or program.

    Leslie’s recruiting is not related to Wall’s in no way. If Wall is one and done, Leslie will likely not see the court with Wall ever gain. I hope Leslie will re-commit to Sid, but if not, I hope the best for him. He can learn a lot at State and play in front of the best fans on Earth.

    I think the fact that Sid got the most effort out of guys not named Costner and Fells, is a testament to his coaching. State is not where it wants to be but I think you can’t say the team hasn’t been competitive in the strongest ACC season in quite a while despite having a team that is made up of older players from the previous regime and two classes of underclassmen. State was in a lot of games this season and if they had upperclassmen who were leaders, they would have been in the tournament. All this without having a true PG. State hasn’t had a leader or a NCAA tournament bid since Julius Hodge, sad to say.

    State fans want to see improvement at a light-speed pace and its understandable. Its a lot easier to be fans of a winner. I don’t think Sid will take long to make State a winner, but the lack of commitment by most of you might be the reason Leslie is rethinking his plans.

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