Offseason Positional Analysis (PG)

As we wait for football to heat up, it’s as good a time as any to analyze the coming basketball season. Over the next few weeks, we will analyze the logical rotation and depth chart, based on position. First up is what should be the Pack’s second-weakest position – point guard.

State had lots of problems last year, any one of which could have destroyed the season. If problem 1(a) was team chemistry (and no, we’re not talking about JJ envy), then problem 1(b) was PG play. I remember attending the Red/White game last fall, and feeling very optimistic about the coming season. Ben, Fells, Grant, and BC were a bit rusty (I didn’t worry about that at the time – big mistake), but I was really impressed by JJ Hickson and Farnold Degand. Degand was a fireball, speeding past defenders, running the floor, and finishing in the lane. He also played defense, which almost brought on tears of joy.

In retrospect, the Red/White game said more about our other players’ poor offseason conditioning and complete inability to play perimeter defense or stop dribble penetration than anything else. But you know what? Farnold wasn’t half bad running the offense. He did push the ball, confidently bring it up court, and play solid defense. He gave good effort when other players seemed to quit (see Michigan State debacle), and showed flashes of being a plus offensive player (see narrow win against South Carolina, when Farnold saved our bacon). Then he blew out his knee against Cincinnati, and a complete horror show followed.

Marques Johnson was a deer in headlights on offense, but at least played marginal defense. Javi Gonzalez could bring the ball past half-court adequately, but had trouble getting the offense initiated. He was also smaller and slower than almost every opposing PG, which meant he didn’t usually score much, and was absolutely abused on defense. One notable exception – he whipped Greg Paulus’ ass. Too bad most ACC point guards aren’t that small and slow. Combined, MJ and Javi were as bad (if not worse) than the “avert your eyes” combo of Fells and Grant, when Atsur was hurt the previous year.

Who should start? Farnold Degand, obviously. Some folks have suggested a “quick” lineup with Javi at PG, and Degand at SG (with Degand bringing the ball up on offense). To me, this seems absolutely insane. Sure, Degand shot a great percentage from 3 last year, but let me introduce you to the concept of sample size. Most of Degand’s shots were also of the wide open variety, given that scouting reports pegged him as a speedy penetrator who couldn’t shoot. Plus, I would rather have one very weak position (SG) than spread it out and being weak at both the 1 and the 2. Leave Degand at the point, and maybe we’ll get adequate production.

What should the rotation be? This is the million dollar question. Ideally, we would get 30-35 mpg from Farnold. Coming back off ACL surgery, that would risk burning him out. We would be completely sunk without a 90-100% Farnold for ACC play. Perhaps Javi (and to a lesser extent, freshman Julius Mays) can hold up against lesser competition enough to limit Farnold to a maximum of 25 mpg until January. I doubt Julius Mays will be strong enough with the ball (or fast enough defensively) to log minutes at the point against decent foes, absent injury or foul trouble. We have to find another position for MJ – he’s simply not a PG in any way, shape, or form.

Position Grade: C-

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90 Responses to Offseason Positional Analysis (PG)

  1. Anthony Grundy 07/13/2008 at 6:33 PM #

    Fergie isn’t a true pg, but is better on the ball than javi and mj. He’s a great shooter, good scorer, and has good handles. Degand, is quicker, but you don’t necessarily need quicks to bring the ball up the court and run the offense.

    For the record, i’ve been on the fergie bandwagon well before he went on his scoring streak.

  2. Afterglow 07/13/2008 at 6:48 PM #

    Anthony Grundy-“He’s a great shooter”-a great shooter? He’s yet to show me anything that indicates he’s a great shooter. A decent shooter. A smart shooter. But a great shooter? Perhaps I just need clarity on this one. I think he takes smart shots-I agree with that.

    In his defense, he too came off pretty miserable hand injuries as well before coming to State so the juries still out. I do believe he will be a decent everything player and we will see some good things. Although you never know, he could bust out this year.

  3. Anthony Grundy 07/13/2008 at 7:44 PM #

    Perhaps I should have said he has a natural stroke. Conversely, guys like Gavin Grant, Courtney Fells, and Javi clearly don’t. You don’t need to looks at stats to see that they don’t pure shooting strokes. Conversely, Allan Houston has a sweet shot, and is a great shooter…no stats needed after seeing him take a couple of 3’s.

    T-Ferg, made some tough 3’s last season. He shot 40% from behind the arc, which is very good but not great. Regardless, if he actually got enough minutes this year, he’d prove that he is a “great shooter”

  4. Afterglow 07/13/2008 at 8:23 PM #

    Ah, I see. I would agree his shot is more orthodox and easier to watch. 40% from behind the arc is pretty damn sweet!

    According to common belief, coaches put in the players that will put them in a position to win-so we’ll see.

    I am curious about him. He’s intriguing to me because you never know how psychologically and/or physically one is effected by injury. If he has overcome that and he get’s more PT we may see a more dynamic side to him.

  5. JeremyH 07/13/2008 at 9:54 PM #

    Adam Harrington had a natural stroke too– didn’t he go on a 0-50 slump once? Don’t get my wrong I’m rooting for all our players to improve after another year experience. And remember, cohesive team play can make up for lack of talent. We just need to stay healthy, and these guys better be in shape and ready to play strong defense and rebounding. Last year, it was almost like we forgot all the fundamentals to even stay on the floor with teams, toward the end anyway.

  6. Rick 07/14/2008 at 7:09 AM #

    “I have a feeling that Brandon Costner is going to come back hungry.”

    As long as that hunger is not for Big Macs and pizzas

  7. Afterglow 07/14/2008 at 7:41 AM #

    Big Macs and pizzas… fricken funny!

    We have absolutely no reason to believe that we will be any better if the following haven’t taken place during the off-season: conditioning, a focus on fundamentals, a re-kindling of heart and desire and cohesiveness.

    It’s amazing how basic it all is but I think by-enlarge (minus any unseen off the court antics) those small things were where our problems were last year. That’s not to say that I think with those things we would HAVE, or will this season HAVE a 26-10 record. I just want to see improvement in those areas-even if we lose. If I see that, than I’ll feel a little better about what the future beholds because honestly, if a basic foundation like the one outlined above isn’t there; I don’t care who we have coming in recruit wise, we will still suck. Those things need to change.

  8. partialqualifier 07/14/2008 at 8:18 AM #

    Just when I was starting to forget basketball’s pathetic performance and move on to delusional optimism about our football team…you guys gotta start breaking down basketball again! UGH! A couple of things:

    1- I actually like Farnold, but he has become the golden unicorn of this team. I get the feeling that some think that w/o Farnold we sucked…therefore w/ Farnold we will be better. Kinda like Lowe blaming our teams struggles on Farnold’s injury…Problem is we lost to New Orleans and EZU WITH Farnold “running the show”.

    2- Breaking down this (and practically every other position on our bball team) is kinda like us debating about who our best QB was last year. Does it really matter when they all suck? I mean it’s a little like saying “hey you’re the tallest midget!”

  9. BJD95 07/14/2008 at 8:45 AM #

    ^ With Degand, we at least didn’t suck SOMETIMES (Villanova win, etc.). Again, I’m not saying we can’t suck WITH Degand – we’ve proven that we can. I just don’t see any possibility of not sucking without him.

  10. partialqualifier 07/14/2008 at 8:51 AM #

    Haha!

    Well said…and I never looked at it that way. While I would argue that we did suck in the ‘Nova win (they just sucked more!)…it is true that w/o Farnold our chances of sucking are 99.9%! LOL!

  11. redfred2 07/14/2008 at 5:04 PM #

    Afterglow, you make some great points, but remember there are also athletes who rise up on every level, without having the benefit of great or even good coaching. I’ll agree to a certain extent though, and repeat I said before, Lowe is following in the footsteps by going way overboard on controlling, AND STIFLING, the action from the coaching box. It’s fine to want a team that knows exactly what you want out of them, but when you feel it necessary to stop the action and personally direct their every move, and every time down, then something is sorely missing in the translation during practice sessions.

    Now, back to disagreeing, I wasn’t much of a player, I didn’t ever have good coaching, but I ALWAYS, AND EVERY TRIP DOWN THE COURT, I tried to make a play, shut down my man, get a rebound, steal the ball, or SOMETHING. Nobody made me do it, and no amount of coaching, or lack of coaching EVER made me quit trying. I guess I just can‘t comprehend how someone could reach that level without having a similar *personal* desire.

    Say all you want, but to be very blunt about it, what I saw last year was a bunch of brats who decided to pick up their toys and go home because everyone wasn’t going to play exactly the way they wanted. Like I said before, if they wanted to change the coach’s mind and possibly make him rethink his strategies, they should made certain that they were going to find a way to be a factor on the BB court and refocus the coach’s attention. It was four to one afterall. But the very last thing they should have done was to roll over and allow a freshman to take control. That is exactly what they did though.

    As mentioned before also, I definitely want to see a new team emerging this season, and all the way around. But nonetheless, I will have mixed emotions if they come out playing a different brand of BB with more intensity and drive than last season.

    You show me an ability to turn it off and on at will, and I have to start worrying about the next hurdle, some different kind of adversity stemming from a totally different source then last season, then your guess is as good as mine as to what the reaction might be.

  12. hball57 07/14/2008 at 6:28 PM #

    To be fair, Sidney has said that he tried to not call so many plays but we showed a talent for turnovers. When we had to play Javi and Marques we really needed to call plays.

    I played BB on the D1 level many years ago. First most players upon arriving from HS have no clue regarding the effort required. But even more than that, if you are not 100% focused on your task you get embarrassed. It’s more than just wanting to do it, and it’s hard to explain to people who haven’t experienced it. You lose a 1/2 step to a more talented player and you get in position to do nothing more than foul, which makes it worse. So you looked even worse to the people in the seats. It’s a tougher gig than most give credit for.

  13. redfred2 07/14/2008 at 9:36 PM #

    hball57,

    I agree with all that you’re saying about the play calling being necessary to a degree because of certain circumstances. But hell, there comes a time when you just have give them free rein, give them a chance to figure out something on their own, and then let the chips fall where they may. I definitely prefer that to the alternative, which is one that we were already accustomed to well before Sidney Lowe had even arrived, and that’s players ALWAYS looking over their shoulders and waiting for the coach to tell them exactly what to do…instead of just relaxing, getting into the natural flow, and allowing them to just play the game of BB like they have been all of their lives.

    Agreed also as far the adjustments, pressure, and possible embarrassment of stepping up to another level, that’s one of the reasons I do not like it when I see people jumping to conclusions and making comments about kids before they have even had a chance to adjust to the changes. It may not have been very common around here for a quite awhile, but at one time NC State players/teams did develop when given the proper amount of time. That IS still one of the things I enjoy the most about watching the game of college basketball. I remember Burleson, Gugliotta, Del Negro, Lorenzo Charles, even Todd Fuller, to name just a few, and they all developed into much different BB players than were when they arrived.
    I see some of the same stuff in a few of the current players and it gets me excited as much as winning games/titles/championships, whether this group of players ends up conquering the world or not. , I still enjoy just watching a kid come into his own over the course of his collegiate career as much as anything.

    But back to what transpired last season, in this particular case it was the experienced players, the ones who were already well aware of what this level of competition requires, those were the players ended up looking more like the rookies on the BB court than the rookies did themselves.

  14. redfred2 07/14/2008 at 10:49 PM #

    I know I have probably contradicted myself more times than not on this thread, but there is, and there has been for a lot longer than just the past two seasons, a lack of overall confidence shown from anyone who puts on a Wolfpack BB uniform. It’s like a two decade long, reoccurring nightmare. We’ve seem some very fleeting moments of something different recently, but they’re gone as quickly as they came and the momentum seldom carries over to even the very beginning of the next ballgame.

    That inability to build upon and carry over is something that I do blame more so on the coaches than the players. I don’t know where it gets it roots up there, but I will say that I am beginning to see possible signs of the second coming of a control freak as the head coach. The players should be naturally gaining confidence on their own after having a good outing, but if the coach just goes back to business as usual without acknowledging and reinforcing the positives gained, then I can see how the player’s enthusiasm would fade as fast as it came.

    It seems that no matter how distance in time, or if it’s even as recent as just a few days back, that NOBODY over the past two decades can even begin to figure out how to capitalize on any of the positives that have been gained in NC State’s BB history.

    Um, whatever it was, I think maybe the entirety of last season would be kind of a great case in point in that regard.

  15. vtpackfan 07/16/2008 at 12:13 PM #

    PG minutes per game:

    FD: 25 mins
    JG: 12 mins.
    JM: 3 mins.

    FD did a good job for Sid last year until his injury, so he deserves the first crack. My only problem with him is that he completely committs to doing something before initiating action, instead of adapting to things on the move (a foundamental PG quality).

    When he took it to the hoop it appeared to me that he was looking only to kick it out, but if he was intending to take it to the rim thats all he did. No drop offs to big men or anything remotely looking like creativity. I’m not hammering on him on this matter but instead pointing out that he COULD be a huge asset as a slashing wing player. Sadly that will never happen at No.(pg) Carolina State Univ.

    Javi will be better this year. He will have a feel for the game better, know that the overplay on the wings at this level will require more effort and concentration on his part. On D he needs better positioning and court vision, but I’m confident he will make progress in those areas.

    For him it’s all about persistence and honoring the learning curve. We should sit back and observe that in this young man this season instead of being to rash in our judgement.

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