Newsflash – Paying Customers Don’t Like Being Treated Like Naughty 8-Year Olds

We saw this nugget from The Technician a few weeks ago, but didn’t have the time to express our thoughts at the time. In a finding which no doubt caused Bob Kennel to close his eyes and shake his head disapprovingly:

The WITH program has not received as much positive feedback as Student Government would have liked, according to Dawkins, and therefore the committee discussed having the WITH program organizers obtain more corporate sponsors, cutting back on policing, distributing water and koozies at games and trying more to encourage positive sportsmanship.

REALLY? People don’t feel their gameday experience is heightened by a smarm of tattlers in the parking lots, and frequent cornball reminders to play nice with the other kids? Hell, it’s like people think they’ve paid their money and expect to be left the hell alone to enjoy themselves (within reasonable boundaries).

As Kennel would no doubt tell you, that’s unacceptable. The only rude people in the world are at NC State tailgates. Our “negativity” by occasionally discussing objective facts and gasp – expecting to win – is totally unique, and keeping our bright lights hidden under a bushel. Despite generations of Wolfpackers who grew up tailgaiting and attending football games (and now share the same experience with their own kids), the atmosphere is completely toxic (beer! dirty words!) and every parent who doesn’t see that should be referred to Social Services. We must take whatever wild, over-reaching, baseless actions as may be hypothetically necessary to solve all of these non-problems!

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44 Responses to Newsflash – Paying Customers Don’t Like Being Treated Like Naughty 8-Year Olds

  1. Clarksa 06/24/2008 at 10:36 AM #

    I only saw WITH volunteers twice…once when they stopped by our tailgate by the practice fields and we pretty much ignored them, and the second time I saw them, there were quite a few hanging out in the fan zone. Two useless spots to be in if they were hoping to “encourage good behavior” on game days.

  2. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 06/24/2008 at 10:41 AM #

    “Politics and sports just don’t mix.”

    The WPC is nothing more than a political organization so clearly to two mix very well. All ‘Friends of the Program’ are political groups first and fundraising second.

  3. redfred2 06/24/2008 at 11:37 AM #

    I wasn’t going to say anything about the youtube/NCSU link, but with these posts about politics vs sports I’ll just say that EVERYTHING NC State does is geared to appeal and appease the blue hair generation, and no other age group. Do I have it all wrong, or isn’t a university supposed to be attractive to KIDS.

  4. BoKnowsNCS71 06/24/2008 at 11:46 AM #

    /\ true but the open wallet is more attractive to the university so it gets more of the attention.

  5. choppack1 06/24/2008 at 11:48 AM #

    Part of the reason they can get away w/ the tailgating time restrictions is that 1) there are some exceptions (for RVs if I’m not mistaken) and 2) this doesn’t impact the majority of our fans.

    I know, I know, if you read the boards, you’d think that grounds surrounding the Carter are picked at 6 AM for 6 PM game – and anyone who has been to a game 3 hours before kickoff knows that is not the case. I rarely get to a game 3 hours before kickoff. If I get in right around the 3 hour mark, there is usually little or no traffic and the lots are probably 20 % full – tops.

    Would I like the option to get there earlier – of course. And like so many other arbitrary rules that are made to protect us from ourselves and/or the small minority – it’s easy to come across a whiner, or someone who wants to “right” to do “things” the majority may find displeasing. (This is the same logic used for seat belt laws and NC’s banning of happy hours.)

  6. BoKnowsNCS71 06/24/2008 at 11:52 AM #

    tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc — Agree. Obviously politics is entertwined with almost everything but a boycott action as a political statement is not going to happen. Most of the kids may be mad but they are going to show. Coming from the 60’s and 70’s — I don’t even think that crowd could have pulled it off. And for people shelling out $760 for season tickets for 2 (like me) — I’d rather attend and hope to bend the ear of someone influential enough to reach a higher ear than attempt a boycott that for the most part — no one would understand it for what it is. Whatever it is.

  7. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 06/24/2008 at 12:27 PM #

    B0- Thus the reason little gets done. People put their personal interest ahead of that of the greater good and would rather bitch and complain on internet forums than to take actions that would actually bring about change. 20 years from now people will be complaining online about a 90 year old Athletics Director Coach Lee Fowler running the show and the no-drinking 2 hours tailgating policy the was created after Dr. Stafford discovered that college student binge drink prior to games.

    Always easy to bitch, complain and talk about how awful a policy is than to take real action to change it. You will never ‘bend’ the ear of influential people at a university unless you contribute millions of dollars. The ears that need to be bent are not there to make you happy they are there to please Erskine not you.

    Even if a boycott isn’t the answer the idea of getting a fan group that has a voice outside of the WPC is very much need at State because the WPC doesn’t represent the fans and alumni just the will of large donors.

  8. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 06/24/2008 at 12:30 PM #

    If I remember correctly UGA alumni start parking their RV’s and vans on the lawns of the dorms on Thursday afternoon before a Saturday game.

  9. mafpack 06/24/2008 at 12:52 PM #

    RedFred – Meh, I don’t recal seeing your post two weeks ago, and the thoughts seemed fresh to me at the time, late though it was. I apologize if you felt offended by our like mindedness.

  10. choppack1 06/24/2008 at 1:12 PM #

    tc and Bo – I’m telling you, the problem is that this doesn’t impact most reasonable people. Seriously, who has time to show up more than 5 hours before a game on a regular basis.

    If I was single and childless or retired, it would probably impact me. But I’m not.

    I’ve thought that the university is being very pigheaded and shortsighted about this. I would think that a good solution would be to apply for an extended tailgating permit – which you pay extra $$ for and receive an extra pass or special pass. This would be a good way of generating extra revenue AND meeting the needs shared by a few, but dedicated group of fans.

    The classic win/win situation – which is far too common-sensical for our administration.

  11. RAWFS 06/24/2008 at 2:30 PM #

    Chop, you forget one other group: married without kids. There are plenty of couples that have just started out or have decided that kids aren’t for them that might like long tailgates.

  12. redfred2 06/24/2008 at 3:20 PM #

    mafpack, it was late, I was trying to be funny, what can I say?

  13. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 06/24/2008 at 3:36 PM #

    Chop- Tailgating is the least of my concerns, it is the complete shambles that NC State athletic programs have become. The tailgating time is just one small issue of hundreds facing the athletic program that is essentially one of the worst in the ACC now. The program is controlled by a few that are completely unaccountable to the alumni/fan base and only have to get the support of a handful of multi-million dollar donors the rest of us Parjanya be damned.

  14. packpigskinfan23 06/24/2008 at 3:44 PM #

    chop- that does make too much sense… just like my idea for congested parking on campus- give those that also register a BIYCICLE with transportation dept a 20% discount on a parking pass. People who ride their bikes during nice weather SHOULD NOT have to pay the same for a parking pass. This also helps our environment, helps congestions on campus roads, helps congestion on campus parking lots…. and all around just MAKES SENSE.– It will never happen.

  15. Noah 06/24/2008 at 4:03 PM #

    BTW, in case it was posted and I just missed it — the reduced tailgating time still hasn’t fixed the problem of the people populating the fairground lot.

    It’s a leaky pipe that is currently being fixed by changing the lightbulbs.

  16. john of sparta 06/24/2008 at 7:29 PM #

    Noah’s the Best.
    my point: the new lightbulbs highlight the leaky pipe.

  17. choppack1 06/25/2008 at 7:47 AM #

    Noah – I imagine Oblinger doesn’t have the stones that MAF did. I didn’t necessarily agree w/ her on Brent Road, but she put her foot down in order to stop something she saw harming the university’s image. She addressed it at the source.

    I didn’t realize it was still bad – then again, I haven’t parked there for several years either. You’d think after what happened he would focused his efforts on that area FIRST. Can he really be that much of a boob?

    *RAWFS – I was in that category for a while, but my wife usually drew the line at 3 hours for tailgating. In order to get those 3 hours, I’d often have to put in a few hours at Southpoint – but at least they have Champs there. I would add that I think roughly 80% of wolfpack fans at the game are tailgating 2 hours or less. As for the the 10% of folks who tailgate for more than 3 hours – I don’t think they are causing a lot of problems – (heck, I doubt they are causing any.)

  18. Daily Update 06/25/2008 at 4:36 PM #

    The University of Georgia(and other universities) have changed rules in regards to tailgating at about the same time we did.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6444566

    Tailgating this year at the University of Georgia includes parking restrictions, family-friendly zones which are alcohol free, and a ban on setting up tailgate tents and parties until 7 a.m. on the day of the game. The new regulations came about because of last season’s game against Auburn. Matt Brachowski, assistant athletic director at the University of Georgia, says the game between the rival teams took place at night, so more people were on campus longer and more trash was created.

    “Georgia lost the game, which contributed to some seeing fit to destroy campus grounds…,” Brachowski says.

    Over the past several years, a number of universities across the country have adopted tailgating restrictions, including Florida and Tennessee. Both Notre Dame and Penn State have instituted a no-alcohol policy at tailgate parties during games. Regulations at North Carolina State came after an incident last year when two people were killed during a tailgate party.

  19. Classof89 06/26/2008 at 9:57 PM #

    The outcry over the tailgating rules simply aren’t going to gain traction outside of a tiny majority loudly complaining in this and other forums for the reasons stated above…people who *WANT* to tailgate longer than 5 hours are a tiny minority of tailgaters (take out the RV folks, and I bet its less than 5% of the folks arriving in cars…) and the fact that other schools are taking similar actions indicate we are no longer an outlier in this area…

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