Big Coaching Update: Must it be a Head Coach?

Lots of things to run down in today’s coaching update. As with all of our updates, we think it best if you start by refreshing yourself with our preceeding entries on the topic.

* Paul Johnson was interviewed yesterday and his candidacy is being discussed by ESPN today. Johnson must have reason to believe that he is #2 on the list behind Cowher because his agent previously commented that he would only speak to schools where he would be #1 or #2 on their list. We wonder if that would remain true if Alabama calls him sixth?

* In addition to the Bill Cowher-play last week, the primary reason that so little news regarding the search has surfaced to this point is because the search is just now getting started. This information is very frustrating, but is consistent with The Sporting News’ report last week that NC State/Lee Fowler “wasn’t prepared to can Amato, which means the search has gotten off to a scrambling start.”

* We find the slow start to the search particularly sickening in light of the fact that Lee Fowler spent significant time giving media interviews last week to multiple outlets. We commented on a few of Fowler’s interviews on SFN and were surprised at how he was choosing to spend his time at the beginning stages of the search.

* Evidently, “Coach Fowler” has failed to impress A LOT of high ranking Wolfpackers (again) with his lack of preparation and sense of urgency regarding the search. Key calls go unreturned. Progress is slow. The search is just starting to move despite what some people try to say. At least more people are starting to talk about Uncle Jed’s shortcomings. It seems that some have finally awoken to Fowler’s preference to put the department on autopilot, collect his precious paycheck, and not be bothered with a whole lot of work.

* During the basketball search, Fowler’s penchant for spending time at his Lake Gaston house didn’t sit well with a lot of people. Neither did the fact that he didn’t understand that it was a bad thing that he lost 25 pounds in a month because he wasn’t mentally fit to deal with the common stress of executing a common component of any Athletics Director’s job.

* There is a small committee of only two individuals aiding Lee Fowler in the search for NC State’s next coach. We will not share the names and request that others do not as well. We are disappointed that Fowler’s ‘team’ would be so limited in scope and wish that he would have considered the addition of one or two other folks. SFN’s opinion of the two-man committee mixed – one of the members is a FANTASTIC CHOICE of whom we have a very high opinion; the other member does little to impress.

* One member of WolfpackNation that SHOULD have been selected to help with the search but was omitted is Dr. Jerry Punch. Is there ANY Wolfpacker out there with more connections and a more intimate contact inside of college football than Dr. Punch? Of course not. The connections and the observations/opinions that Dr. Punch could have added to the search would have been invaluable.

* Not much mention of ‘consultants’ and ‘head hunters’ right now.

* Dave Glenn has a coaching update on his blog that focuses on Paul Johnson and Jimbo Fisher. Not much update there other than they seem to be the first two candidates getting official interviews. Just because these gentlemen have their interviews scheduled first does not mean that they are necessarily ‘leading candidates’.

* Fisher has the strong support of some Wolfpackers for whom we have tremendous respect and therefore enhances the attractiveness of his candidacy in our eyes. Deeper digging into college football circles support these conclusions.

* Dave Glenn reported when the Carolina job was open that Jimbo Fisher and Bo Pelini presented themselves as a package deal to the Tarheel brass. We are starting to hear some chatter that may be the case with the Wolfpack as well. With Pelini on board, the potential strength of a Fisher-led staff in Raleigh could be incredible and would be hard to ignore.

Sixth-year LSU offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher and first-year defensive coordinator Bo Pelini have been recognized by Rivals.com as two of the nation’s top five coordinators on both sides of the ball. Pelini, who joined the Tigers after a stint at Oklahoma, is ranked as the nation’s second-best defensive coordinator by Rivals.com, while Fisher is listed as the fourth-best offensive coordinator. Other defensive coaches on the list include Bud Foster (Virginia Tech), Gene Chizik (Texas), Mickey Andrews (Florida State), Reggie Herring (Arkansas) and Tom Bradley (Penn State). Other offensive coordinators in the Rivals.com top five include Terry Malone (Michigan), Chris Peterson (Boise State), Norries Wilson (Connecticut) and Paul Petrino (Louisville).

* By contrast, Johnson’s staff at Navy is underwhelming (to say the least). He would have to upgrade at NC State to help mitigate a lot of the potential risks if State were to hire him.

* The Tennessean is reporting that NC State has contacted Norm Chow but has not yet arranged an interview. We love Norm Chow as a coordinator, but there is a reason that he has never been a college head coach. We hope that Chow gets the Stanford job, but some people’s whose opinion that we value would not touch Chow with a ten foot pole for the Head job at State.

* Another parallel to the basketball search is Lee Fowler‘s deep desire to insulate himself from as much risk as possible associated with the hire. In basketball, Fowler was hellbent to hire a ‘name that will make a splash’ as opposed to necessarily finding the best fit available. While Fowler was trying to hire Lon Kruger, John Beilein, and Steve Lavin he should have been prepared to pursue a different set of names that were better fits. In fact, many at NC State were pushing current coach Sidney Lowe as soon as John Calipari was off the board about nine days into the month-long search, but Fowler was steadfastly against the idea until so many names had (thankfully) run their course.

* This time around, Fowler seems hellbent on hiring someone with head coaching experience at the expense of potentially pursuing other options. This would create a crutch for him to forever use if the hire is a bust. Fans, facilities and other factors should be ready to be blamed if this kind of coach is unsuscessful in Raleigh because ‘obviously’ the coach CAN succeed based on the success of their last job.

* Chancellor Oblinger’s comments in a recent interview support this presumption:

“What am I looking for in a football coach? I am looking for integrity,” Oblinger said. “I’m looking for commitment to the student-athlete. I’m looking for commitment to graduation rates and … I’m looking for a proven record of performance.”

* Although we would prefer a coach with previous head coaching exeperience, it would not be a mandatory prerequisite if we were making the selection. People tend to forget that NO COACH starts as a head coach and EVERY great coach today was an assistant before they get a head job. Someone recognized these assistant’s abilities and potential and had to make the astute decision to elevate the coach to a head job.

* The following is quick list of current coaches are in their FIRST job as a college head coach after being elevated by an Athletics Director who knew what the hell they were doing:

Bob Stoops (assistant at Floriday), Mark Richt (assistant at Florida State), Bobby Petrino (assistant at Auburn), Kirk Ferentz (Iowa), Lloyd Carr (Michigan), Tom O’Brien (assistant at UVA), Jeff Tedford (assistant at Oregon), Greg Schiano (assistant at Miami), Mike Leach (assistant at Oklahoma) Bret Bielema (assistant at Wisconsin), Joe Paterno, Charlie Weiss, Bill Callahan and Pete Carroll. Even Carolina’s new coach, Butch Davis was the offensive coordinator at Miami before becoming such a (supposedly) great coach at “The U”.

* We have heard that Chancellor Oblinger is in Europe this week on a pre-scheduled vacation. Therefore, we would be very surprised if anything really broke until he returned. No further comment on this from us.

* WRAL-TV ran a story yesterday mentioning Arkansas coach, Houston Nutt. We truly believe that there has been some kind of interest passed along by Nutt through some channel. In addition to Reggie Herring’s presence in Fayetteville, don’t forget that Joe Pate coached at Arkansas and still has lots of ties down there.

* Arkansas’ fans dislike of Nutt is the kind of example of truly dangerous and crazy fans that Lee Fowler labels NC State fans. I wonder if Frank Broyles calls them all crazy in public? Fowler would last five minutes at an SEC school. Perhaps that is why Tennessee and Georgia both passed over Fowler without much of a sniff a few years ago when he made himself a candidate for both of those jobs.

* A nice Paul Johnson read linked here.

* There is a growing likelihood that other open jobs could potentially have an impact on NC State’s search. The longer that this drags out, the higher the risk that State could get lost in the shuffle of other jobs that may open based on a potential domino effect.

* SFN told you last week that Tom O’Brien would express an interest in the job. He has. O’Brien sees the writing on the wall in a pro sports town with little fan support and facility support for his program. What he has done at Boston College deserves significant praise. O’Brien was an assistant coach at UVA prior to taking over at BC.

* Other names that have been vaguely mentioned but that we would like to see more on are: Glen Mason from Minnesota, Steve Kragthorpe from Tulsa and Skip Holtz from East Carolina. (Update: Pack Pride has a feature on Kragthorpe since we wrote this).

* Some of the names ‘floated’ by the NC State pay websites are just absurd. Just because someone comments about NC State doesn’t mean that they should be mentioned regarding the job (ala Jerry Glanville). Sometimes the need to feed the beast is greater than common sense discretion.

* Message boards suck 365 days out of the year. But, they hit their lowest point during coaching transitions at schools. Wow. We literally lose IQ points just by clicking. SFN works hard to give all folks a fair forum without sacrificing too much quality, but we aren’t immune to stupidity.

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201 Responses to Big Coaching Update: Must it be a Head Coach?

  1. redfred2 12/05/2006 at 5:03 PM #

    “I’m more confident in this coaching search at this point in time than I ever was with the basketball search at a comparable moment.”

    beowolf, that is not very confidence inspiring, and NOT one of your better general statements. But, for a start, I guess it will have to do.

  2. Pack92 12/05/2006 at 5:03 PM #

    ^The problem there being 10 wins are expected and if it turns to 7 wins he is looking for a job anyway.

    Great job keeping us updated SFN.

  3. beowolf 12/05/2006 at 5:09 PM #

    You keep up that good fight, W4e.

  4. NeverGiveUp 12/05/2006 at 5:14 PM #

    Lee (W4e) get off the blog and go hire Jimbo!

  5. Mr O 12/05/2006 at 5:17 PM #

    Agree with LSUTigerfan on the package deal.

    IIRC, Tom O’Brien is something like 58 years old. That is about his only drawback IMO. He will forever get sent to Clt./Boise/etc….in the bowl pecking order at BC. He has simply maxed out that program by doing an absolutely phenomenal job.

    At a place like NC State, his records would be producing Gator/Peach/Champs Bowls instead of trips to Muffler Bowls and bowls with Blue fields.

    If he is truly interesting, then I can’t see any reason that he shouldn’t be at or very near the top of the list.

  6. Mr O 12/05/2006 at 5:17 PM #

    Also, that is an incredible update SFN. Thanks!

  7. MatSci94 12/05/2006 at 5:18 PM #

    “What would a large committee provide?”

    smaller percentage of Lee Fowler

    “Isn’t Punch a sideline reporter? ”

    Yes, and as such he has visited, observed, and spoken with players and staff at countless programs. That would seem to be valuable input.

  8. MadWolf92 12/05/2006 at 5:21 PM #

    Wouldn’t Melissa Stark be just as qualified to advise on NFL coaching hires then?

  9. Course 12/05/2006 at 5:21 PM #

    Why is Fowler still employed? NCSU sports – across the board – have fallen off with him at the helm.

  10. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 12/05/2006 at 5:24 PM #

    ^ the club sports are doing very well for the most part.

  11. cpwolfpackfan 12/05/2006 at 5:25 PM #

    i have heard through the grapevine that the man is jimbo fisher, Really loud chatter.

  12. skywalkerdt 12/05/2006 at 5:28 PM #

    tell me your right so we can announce it and get to the business of retaining recruites

  13. GAWolf 12/05/2006 at 5:38 PM #

    It’s become clear to me that Wolfpack4ever comes here for the same reason I would go to a Clay Aiken Fanclub blog.

    them: clay rules!

    me: no he doesn’t.

  14. NeverGiveUp 12/05/2006 at 5:44 PM #

    GAWolf – Uh you may want to get out more

  15. Woof Wolf 12/05/2006 at 5:47 PM #

    O’Brien is not #1 on my list but he would not be a bad hire.

    Having said that the little negative guy that lives in my head still feels the need to point out that he did lose two games this year to guys who just got fired.

  16. GAWolf 12/05/2006 at 5:47 PM #

    No dude. I’m not saying I do go to the Clayniac websites… I’m saying the sole reason FOR me to go WOULD be for the same reason Wolfpack4ever comes here. He’s the epitome of devil’s advocate. He’s a pot stirrer. He’s the little brother that pokes you in the ribs until you have to kick him in the face.

  17. Wolfpack4ever 12/05/2006 at 5:51 PM #

    “Yes, and as such he has visited, observed, and spoken with players and staff at countless programs. That would seem to be valuable input.”

    I didn’t think about that — those in-depth sideline interviews as the coaches were trying to get to and from the locker room. Yes, valuable input. Too bad Fowl-up din’t consult with Dick Vitale during the basketball search, baby!

    I could hardly wait to read SFN’s take on Fowler using Vitale as part of a search committee.

  18. packpigskinfan23 12/05/2006 at 5:52 PM #

    ^hey! the sad thing is consulting Dick Vitale would have most likely helped!!!!

  19. redfred2 12/05/2006 at 5:55 PM #

    Hold on there boys, leave Wolfpack4ever alone. This is between him and me.

    This site just ain’t big enough fer the two of us.

  20. Wolfpack4ever 12/05/2006 at 5:55 PM #

    rf2, I hear you are a “big Johnson” supporter. Reminds me of a wolfpack footballer from the fifties, Jacque Schtrappe — leading ball carrier in the ACC conference. 😉

  21. packpigskinfan23 12/05/2006 at 5:58 PM #

    ^classic…. I think we need thread which is devoted to nothing but these two going at it!!!!

    =)

  22. quypack93 12/05/2006 at 6:03 PM #

    i hope we don’t hire someone for a package deal. if the package doesn’t work out, there goes the hire. a package deal is dangerous because it has too many moving parts. fisher/pellini are not married to each other anymore than were amato/chow. you hire a a good head coach. if a hc is good, then he would know how to put a staff together. fans like to put best case scenerio, all-star staff together and think that would work out. remember the first amato staff? how long did they stay together? if you hire jimbo with the hope that he would bring pellini and auburn dc here, if that was the case, then fisher is not a good hire without either of those two. imo, pj is the clear best choice for us. he is a proven, winning, head coach; which means he know how to put a staff together. the best and most important recruits that a head coach put together is that the recruiting of his assistants. if you are a proven winner and a good coach, then you have done that already. pj is a proven winning head football coach, i am sure he know how to do all those things. you can’t have the success that he has had only because you know how to score a lot of points. a head coach is like a ceo, not a vp of a business unit (ie, coordinator) inside company. pj is the man.

  23. old13 12/05/2006 at 6:13 PM #

    Dr. Punch is a NCSU grad; Vitale isn’t!

  24. whitefang 12/05/2006 at 6:16 PM #

    I felt that P Johnson would be the safe “Sheridan” type hire. Since I don’t know anything about his staff, I guess I assumed it was solid based on the success he has had at a service academy where you had better coach the kids to be fundamentally sound since you aren’t going to out-talent many D-1 schools. SFN’s comment that “By contrast, Johnson’s staff at Navy is underwhelming (to say the least). He would have to upgrade at NC State to help mitigate a lot of the potential risks if State were to hire him” scares me and makes the Fisher-Pelini package deal all the more attractive (even if it does seem a little far-fetched). I seem to remember Sheridan bringing most of his Furman staff with him which, at the time, seemed an upgrade for NC State.

  25. packpigskinfan23 12/05/2006 at 6:22 PM #

    Johnson does feel like a “safe” hire… He is proven to be a winner(at a mediocre level), he has proven to be able to dicipline his players(at a service academy), he has proven to excell at every level.

    but is he going to win games right away?! is he going to be able to assemble a good group of assistants?! is he really a coach that is going to be able to hype up the fans?!

    I have my doubts…

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