Will you PLEASE get this message out?!

If you want some ECU, then hopefully you didn’t miss our pre-game/in-game entry or our first postgame entry. We’ll have a little more State-ECU talk during the week since we were busy with work last week and didn’t have a lot leading up to the game.

Today’s entry is focused on something much more broad in the NC State community. SFN is always looking for ways to offer improvement to NC State, and we sincerely can’t think of an easier topic to try to hammer home to Wolfpackers than the desperate need to change the way we cheer at NC State’s games. We’re serious. Hopefully, with your help, we can be a successful ‘change agent’ of a major flaw rooted deep within the NC State football/basketball environment.

The following video was taken from the field of Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium after NC State’s ‘legislated’ ass-whooping on Saturday. When you watch it, pay special attention to the beginning when you can clearly hear the “Nnnnnn Ccccccc State…NC State” cheer resonate from the stands. Note how weak the cheer is. Note how sloppy it is. Note how short it lasts because of the fans frustration with their inability to execute it (for probably the one-thousandth time in their lives).

Did you hear how horrible it was?

As we have highlighted before – why on God’s green earth do our fans – conditioned for years by the cheerleaders – INSIST on such an IMPOSSIBLE cheer to execute?

Have you ever been to an SEC or Big 12 football game? It really doesn’t matter which school. They all have a SERIES of cheers, chants and shouts that they execute in unison in response to cheerleaders, songs by the band and events that happen on the field (kickoffs etc). It is very impressive. Anyone who has ever been to such a venue will note that the common element that exists in each dictum is the brevity of the expression and the consistency of its delivery (while not trying to escalate or de-celerate pace).We turn your attention back to this old entry about Kansas State’s embarrassing pre-game video and want to re-emphasize and re-construct the following comments that we made at the time.

Note the use of the SIMPLE, two syllable chant/cheer that the crowd screamed with “K – State”. Note how they don’t try to *#^&# everything up with needless sophistication and turn something simple into something horrible like “Kkkkkkkkkkkk Staaaaaaatee. Go K-State!” or something like that.

Last year, App State came to Raleigh and loudly cheered “A-S-U”. It resonated and made good noise because it is easy to say and all the fans can synchronize their chant. This year, “U-C-F” did the same thing. Again, it was pretty easy for them to build noise and momentum behind the simple cheer of three distinct sounds (I will call them syllables even though they technically are not)

Question: So, how do the cheerleaders and fans at three ’sound/syllable’ N-C-State choose to cheer for at least the last 20 friggin years?

Answer: Something that is impossible to synchronize or sustain for more than a couple of rounds with 60,000 fans, of course!! Think about how loud the ‘Wolf / Pack’ and ‘Red / White’ cheers are in Carter-Finley. They work great, don’t they? Gee. How does that work so well?

With that said, doesn’t it make complete sense that the naturally easy to cheer/chant, three syllable annunciation of “N-C-State” would be morphed into a garbled, unsustainable mess of a rapidly accelerating “Nnnnnnnnnnn Cccccccccccccc Staaaaaaate. NC State” that nobody can synchronize?

Said another way in this entry after a basketball game in February

Even more frustrating is how we now have decades of fans that don’t seem to be able to realize that simply chanting the three syllables of N-C-State is significantly easier and more powerful than the ridiculous Nnnnnnnnn Cccccccccc Staaaaaate. NC State.

For example, as ABC televised the crowd rush the court after the win over Carolina the audible noise was the hum behind a garbled mess that was supposed to be Nnnnnnnnn Cccccccccc Staaaaaate. NC State. Nobody outside of the Wolfpack family had a clue what was being said. It’s absurd that cheerleaders and fans expect 20,000 fans at basketball games and 60,000 fans at football games to be able to hold the cadence, the timing, the rhythm and achieve unison of this ‘cheer’ when a simple, booming “N-C-State” would/could rock…AND be heard by others!

Ladies and gentlemen…let’s do something about this!!! Pass this entry around to friends on the internet and especially on campus. Get this feedback to the cheerleaders and ‘mic-man’ who leads student cheers at football games. The only way that we can finally get this right and add some muster to our game environment is to take control of this on your own.

The next time you are in the stands and this cheer quickly fizzles – its used more often in during basketball games than football – take a moment to ask everyone around you why they bother? LEAD others into the simple, “N-C-State” and try to keep it at an even/consistent pace instead of falling for the temptation to gradually speed it up so that it will get to a point where nobody can understand it even more quickly!

We’ll have more on this…but, after decades of not having any uniformed cheers to harness our voices, let’s make a change. Please feel free to share any other ‘improvement’ suggestions and thoughts that you have in our comments section. Thanks

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67 Responses to Will you PLEASE get this message out?!

  1. MadWolf92 10/22/2007 at 11:33 AM #

    I think the craptastic cheer originally started around the time I was in school, but it was more along the lines of:
    EE-ennnnnn (2, 3, 4)
    Se-eeeeeee (2, 3, 4)
    Sta-aaaaaate (2, 3, 4)
    N! C! State! (Hey!)

    repeat

    It was more rhythmic, but people morphed it stupidly, probably because of some frat guy in a tarzan loincloth and blonde wig.

  2. Trey 10/22/2007 at 11:43 AM #

    Another option: “LET’S GO” …. “WOLFPACK” … “LET’S GO” … “WOLFPACK”
    – sure it’s ripping off VT, LSU and others, but it works as well as Red-White or Wolf-Pack.

  3. Mr O 10/22/2007 at 11:45 AM #

    The cheer seemed to stop due the alma mater being played. I hate it as well and usually don’t participate.

  4. RAWFS 10/22/2007 at 11:52 AM #

    As much as I hate to bag on my own, State fans are not good these days about cheers to begin with and there’s always a group that gripes about anything new.

    State fans are good at making sheer noise in their arena and stadium, but chants, sustained cheers and the like? Not so much.

    I’d swear I read that it was Wolfpack and not Duke fans that invented chants like “airball” so whatever happened to that wit?

  5. packbackr04 10/22/2007 at 11:56 AM #

    Ill just stick with “GO TO HELL CAROLINA! GO TO HELL!”

  6. StateFans 10/22/2007 at 12:01 PM #

    ^ Honestly…do people even chant that anymore?

    I haven’t heard that in like a decade.

  7. packpigskinfan23 10/22/2007 at 12:09 PM #

    I will put the word out on Facebook for sure. Never really noticed it till you guys brought it to my attention last basketball season, but it really does bother me. I was actually telling my roommate from Rhode Island about it during the ECU game.

  8. PAPacker 10/22/2007 at 12:11 PM #

    Ill just stick with “GO TO HELL CAROLINA! GO TO HELL!”

    Honestly…do people even chant that anymore?

    I chant it as I’m going to sleep, while I eat, sometimes silently while I’m listening to my wife.

  9. RochesterRedWolf 10/22/2007 at 12:23 PM #

    StateFans…WHICH fans do you hang out with…this is a call-out. What self-respecting fan doesn’t still say “GO TO HELL CAROLINA!”? I am an 11 hour drive from anything that resembles NC State and Raleigh and i am muttering that under my breath glued to the PC and espn360. I taught it to my egyptian wife back when the ACC tournament was on…that was fun.

    SFN: Saying “Go to hell Carolina”…and having an organized chant permeate through thousands of people chanting in unison, “Goto hell Carolina, goto hell” are two different thing.

    Even though we didn’t win the ACC Championship game…that was an awesome game…the tarholes thought they had us…and Costner and Grant just wouldn’t let it end…poor-ole Atsur out there wasn’t even 100%, and he wouldn’t let it end…it feels good, and i mean goooood to beat the tireholes and when you don’t beat’em, it feels good too to make’em squirm and wonder why charges and travelling calls, and 3sec calls aren’t being made and why all their hard earned officiating bribe money isn’t being put to good use.

  10. pman27 10/22/2007 at 12:24 PM #

    Back in the mid-80s, I recall:

    N . . . C . . . S . . . U . . .
    N . . . C . . . S . . . U . . .
    N . . . C . . . S . . . U . . .

    During the UNC game this morphed as follows:

    N . . . C . . . S . . . U . . .
    N . . . C . . . S . . .
    U . . . N . . . C . . . Sucks!

    Don’t know where/when the Ennnnnn . . . Ceeeee . . . (etc) stuff started but I agree it needs to go.

    Not a fan of the “First Down” thing either and there should never be a cheer involving syncopated clapping. Leave that to the ‘Holes fans.

  11. packbackr04 10/22/2007 at 12:34 PM #

    nice PAP.. nice

  12. lsutton5144 10/22/2007 at 1:10 PM #

    The “first down” thing wouldn’t be bad if the PA announcer could say it with a little excitement, instead of sounding like he’s in pain!

  13. lush 10/22/2007 at 1:11 PM #

    ive never heard “go to hell carolina, go to hell”

    but i hear

    “hand behind our backs and we’ll take on all the rest, GO TO HELL CAROLINA, devils in deacs stand in line, the red and the white from NC STATE, GO STATE!”

    at every game i have ever been to. and ive been to a lot. my family has had season tickets, football and basketball, since my birth in 1982. i was a mere 6 weeks old at my first game in carter finley.

  14. beowolf 10/22/2007 at 1:13 PM #

    Didn’t the Ennnn … Ceeee … Staaaate stuff start with the “mic-man” obnoxiousness of the late 1980s?

    Mic-men were the abomination of college football. SHUT UP, we’re trying to watch a game!

  15. PAPacker 10/22/2007 at 1:42 PM #

    thanks pb04

  16. MadWolf92 10/22/2007 at 1:43 PM #

    mic-man = tarzan frat guy. yeah, that was the late 80’s.

  17. RAWFS 10/22/2007 at 1:58 PM #

    17.

    There’s always the twisting of the UNC song. Substitute and solve the variables:

    I’m a bastage born
    And a bastage bred
    And when I die
    I’ll be a bastage dead

    So peace on Care-Lina Lina
    Peace on Care-Lina Lina
    Fark You Heels

    I haven’t heard that one sung at a State – Carolina affair since the late 80’s.

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  18. ldr of pk 75 10/22/2007 at 2:02 PM #

    I hate the RED/WHITE cheer personally, but it does rock the place and is understandable. Another comparison to the SEC is to look in those stadiums every week and see all the shakers along with the loud chants, and unbelievable bands. On TV you can hear just about every SEC band loudly and clearly. You can’t half hear our band even if you sit next to them. They’re a good band, it just doesn’t project in the stadium or on TV. Is it the instrument mix? And, what happened to the days when the cheerleaders had a microphone to help whip the crowd into a frenzy. Alot of that is just good old school spirit and tradition, win or lose. I applaud TOB for having the team sing the alma mater with the band then exit the stadium. We have a great alma mater if you’ve ever bothered to learn it. Those SEC crowds are into the games and present in the stadiums win or lose. Of course, it doesn’t hurt their noise level to have about 30 thousand more fans in the stands than we do if not more than that. However, an ECU or an APP St is proof that if you’re into cheering, you can get alot of bang out a few thousand at our games. ECU in particular has an SEC fervor about them like them or not. In the ACC if you get a little weather or have a bad year, the school spirit is hard to find. Tradition is hard to start and even harder to sustain, but I’m betting our fans are up to the task , we just need some improved guidance and material.

  19. Mr O 10/22/2007 at 2:04 PM #

    I hate the “another Wolfpack….First Down!!!”. It drives me nuts.

  20. dj9686 10/22/2007 at 2:07 PM #

    Ummmm… hmmm… what the hell is a “bastage?”

  21. dj9686 10/22/2007 at 2:08 PM #

    Is it just my computer or are the times we are commenting way off?

  22. CarnifeX 10/22/2007 at 2:20 PM #

    I love the RED/WHITE cheer, namely because it is always the loudest.

    Last year at the BC and the FSU games that cheer sent chills up my arms with how pumped the place was. It was electric, hell it brought a coach that would have an undefeated team to a team that has…well….umm….well, the fans can be loud.

    *many errors in there, but you get the idear.

  23. Rick 10/22/2007 at 2:21 PM #

    I was watching the NCSU 83 game and after the fight song they used to do a drum beat follwoed by a “go wolfpack”. I always liked that and it was easy to get loud.

    And I hate the NNNNNNNNNNNNCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCSTATE cheer too.

  24. StateFans 10/22/2007 at 2:28 PM #

    I also wish we had a 3rd down song like UGA 🙂

  25. StateFans 10/22/2007 at 2:32 PM #

    How hard can it be for the cheerleaders to split the stadium into 3rds as opposed to half and have three signs for fans yell

    “N”
    “C”
    “State”

    or even fourths and go around the stadium with

    “N”
    “C”
    “S”
    “U”

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