Will you PLEASE get this message out?!

If you want some ECU, then hopefully you didn’t miss our pre-game/in-game entry or our first postgame entry. We’ll have a little more State-ECU talk during the week since we were busy with work last week and didn’t have a lot leading up to the game.

Today’s entry is focused on something much more broad in the NC State community. SFN is always looking for ways to offer improvement to NC State, and we sincerely can’t think of an easier topic to try to hammer home to Wolfpackers than the desperate need to change the way we cheer at NC State’s games. We’re serious. Hopefully, with your help, we can be a successful ‘change agent’ of a major flaw rooted deep within the NC State football/basketball environment.

The following video was taken from the field of Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium after NC State’s ‘legislated’ ass-whooping on Saturday. When you watch it, pay special attention to the beginning when you can clearly hear the “Nnnnnn Ccccccc State…NC State” cheer resonate from the stands. Note how weak the cheer is. Note how sloppy it is. Note how short it lasts because of the fans frustration with their inability to execute it (for probably the one-thousandth time in their lives).

Did you hear how horrible it was?

As we have highlighted before – why on God’s green earth do our fans – conditioned for years by the cheerleaders – INSIST on such an IMPOSSIBLE cheer to execute?

Have you ever been to an SEC or Big 12 football game? It really doesn’t matter which school. They all have a SERIES of cheers, chants and shouts that they execute in unison in response to cheerleaders, songs by the band and events that happen on the field (kickoffs etc). It is very impressive. Anyone who has ever been to such a venue will note that the common element that exists in each dictum is the brevity of the expression and the consistency of its delivery (while not trying to escalate or de-celerate pace).We turn your attention back to this old entry about Kansas State’s embarrassing pre-game video and want to re-emphasize and re-construct the following comments that we made at the time.

Note the use of the SIMPLE, two syllable chant/cheer that the crowd screamed with “K – State”. Note how they don’t try to *#^&# everything up with needless sophistication and turn something simple into something horrible like “Kkkkkkkkkkkk Staaaaaaatee. Go K-State!” or something like that.

Last year, App State came to Raleigh and loudly cheered “A-S-U”. It resonated and made good noise because it is easy to say and all the fans can synchronize their chant. This year, “U-C-F” did the same thing. Again, it was pretty easy for them to build noise and momentum behind the simple cheer of three distinct sounds (I will call them syllables even though they technically are not)

Question: So, how do the cheerleaders and fans at three ’sound/syllable’ N-C-State choose to cheer for at least the last 20 friggin years?

Answer: Something that is impossible to synchronize or sustain for more than a couple of rounds with 60,000 fans, of course!! Think about how loud the ‘Wolf / Pack’ and ‘Red / White’ cheers are in Carter-Finley. They work great, don’t they? Gee. How does that work so well?

With that said, doesn’t it make complete sense that the naturally easy to cheer/chant, three syllable annunciation of “N-C-State” would be morphed into a garbled, unsustainable mess of a rapidly accelerating “Nnnnnnnnnnn Cccccccccccccc Staaaaaaate. NC State” that nobody can synchronize?

Said another way in this entry after a basketball game in February

Even more frustrating is how we now have decades of fans that don’t seem to be able to realize that simply chanting the three syllables of N-C-State is significantly easier and more powerful than the ridiculous Nnnnnnnnn Cccccccccc Staaaaaate. NC State.

For example, as ABC televised the crowd rush the court after the win over Carolina the audible noise was the hum behind a garbled mess that was supposed to be Nnnnnnnnn Cccccccccc Staaaaaate. NC State. Nobody outside of the Wolfpack family had a clue what was being said. It’s absurd that cheerleaders and fans expect 20,000 fans at basketball games and 60,000 fans at football games to be able to hold the cadence, the timing, the rhythm and achieve unison of this ‘cheer’ when a simple, booming “N-C-State” would/could rock…AND be heard by others!

Ladies and gentlemen…let’s do something about this!!! Pass this entry around to friends on the internet and especially on campus. Get this feedback to the cheerleaders and ‘mic-man’ who leads student cheers at football games. The only way that we can finally get this right and add some muster to our game environment is to take control of this on your own.

The next time you are in the stands and this cheer quickly fizzles – its used more often in during basketball games than football – take a moment to ask everyone around you why they bother? LEAD others into the simple, “N-C-State” and try to keep it at an even/consistent pace instead of falling for the temptation to gradually speed it up so that it will get to a point where nobody can understand it even more quickly!

We’ll have more on this…but, after decades of not having any uniformed cheers to harness our voices, let’s make a change. Please feel free to share any other ‘improvement’ suggestions and thoughts that you have in our comments section. Thanks

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67 Responses to Will you PLEASE get this message out?!

  1. RedTerror29 10/22/2007 at 6:04 PM #

    I guess I’m in the minority liking the NNNNN CCCC SSSTTTAAATTTEEE. . . NC STATE cheer. I suppose being drunk helps though. At least we can remember all the letters.

    The NIT game in Reynolds showed me the potential for what we COULD be. The chants didn’t stop that night. Chanting is certainly easier than just yelling illiteligibly as loud as I kind on third down (defense ONLY). Really, before we get rid of any cheers we need to quiet down when we’re on offense.

  2. PamlicoPack 10/22/2007 at 6:30 PM #

    ^^
    you guys think OUR fight song is bad, read some of the ones at the link posted above….yikes, Nebraska has a friggin’ oratorio for a fight song…what, does it take 5 minutes to sing?

  3. JimValvano 10/22/2007 at 7:59 PM #

    I love the NnnnnnnnnnnnCcccccccccccccccccStaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate N-C-State cheer. The problem is that the cheerleaders have a sped up version and the pep band has the original slowed down version. The two get confused. If the cheerleaders would stop trying to speed things up and understand it as explained by pman27 then the problem would stop. If that cheer is too difficult for people then they are idiots. I’ve known how to do that cheer since I was friggin 3 years old. Get with the program people

    EE-ennnnnn (2, 3, 4)
    Se-eeeeeee (2, 3, 4)
    Sta-aaaaaate (2, 3, 4)
    N! C! State!

    Just get it right. Its a great cheer. We need to teach the cheerleaders all of our cheers so they can lead properly.

  4. JimValvano 10/22/2007 at 8:01 PM #

    correction…i meant like MADWOLF had stated…not pman27

  5. Primewolf 10/22/2007 at 8:12 PM #

    I personally don’t like N—-C—-State, anyway you say it as a cheer. It comes across as one of those “directional” schools, whereas we are THE NORTH CAROLINA STATE UNIVERSITY. I wish we had a cooler shortcut to our university name, but let’s don’t promulgate a half-ass shortcut name. I like Lou Holtz’s approach when he coached here. He refused to refer to NCSU as NC State. When interviewed or any other occasion he always took the time to say North Carolina State University.

    I think SFN is trying to do the right thing, that cadence is impossible, but let’s go one step further and get rid of the NC STate cheer altogether.

    It is hard to beat “WOLF PACK” as a simple 2 syllable chant. It rocks, it says who we are, it is cool, wolves are cool. How many other schools have as cool as mascot, heck we win national championships with our wolves. Plus, ours is a perfect two syllable chant!!!!!

    NC STATE smply is not an inspiring cheer. It is kind of like you are trying to identify yourself so you simply say your abbreviated name over and over again. My order of simple noise making, readily identifying chants, would be:

    (1) WOLF——-PACK (pretty unique except fo Nevada copycats)
    (2) GO———PACK
    (3) Red——–White (not as identifying, as only about 20 schools have red and white as their colors)
    (4) Then, we need something really cool, perhaps gets one to thinking, or going to the dictionary, etc. Like a “Semper Fi” equivalent for NCSU. Any ideas , anyone??
    (5) Other options might be:
    FIGHT—–PACK—–FIGHT
    NEVER—-GIVE—–UP. (Jimmy V, done in the 4qtr of a close game)
    WOLF—–PRIDE

    Let’s come up with something cooler and more impressive, PLEASE.

  6. blpack 10/22/2007 at 9:14 PM #

    I remember as a kid just after we beat Wake to end the regular season in 81, all of Reynolds broke out in a unison NC State! NC State! I could hear it as I exited onto the concourse. Simple yet effective. The other thing is: learn the words to the alma mater and sing it loud.

  7. wolfpack n da house 10/22/2007 at 9:33 PM #

    has anyone forgotten the marist game? REF YOU SUCK!!! amazing atmosphere

  8. EverettBeez 10/22/2007 at 11:58 PM #

    the N-C-State, NCSTATE is not hard. not clear why its not done better. After all, the Ole Miss fans can all chant the Hotty Toddy with out any problem.

    I do miss the “Whomp up side the head” cheer – and the horns. some guy too mine away when I was in second grade, lol. His “date” couldn’t take it any more.

    I always loved “2 wolfs, 4 wolfs, Pack on the prowl, all for State, stand up and howl!”

    You want to see organize yells? go to a Texas A&M game. Big deal to get to be a yell leader there – all male – just like its freaking 1922 all over again. And boy, do the fans do the yells! It really is something to see. So is their band – precision marching at its best.

    I am not sure what Nebraska fight song you looked at Pamlico – but the one they usually play “there is no place like Nebraska, dear old Nebraska U, where the girls are the fairest, the boys are the squarest of any old state in the U!” Isn’t hard, and they all sing it. Its goofy, but they love it.

    Wakes is great.
    GTech is “My Bonnie Blue Flag” – the unofficial Confederate National Anthem – not Dixie.
    Texas Tech also has a great one.
    Wisconsin’s is far and away the most popular in terms of use by high schools. Raleigh Broughton uses it.
    I’ll find the link tomorrow for ya’ll that has all the fight songs.

  9. 4in12 10/23/2007 at 8:23 AM #

    Back in the seventies we cheered SIX/PACK when we were in the red zone. That got everyone fired up. I guess it’s not PC enough now a days.

  10. noah 10/23/2007 at 9:50 AM #

    “go to a Texas A&M game. Big deal to get to be a yell leader there – all male – just like its freaking 1922 all over again.”

    In more ways than one.

    And if we’re talking fight songs, here’s someone’s list of their top 10 with little music files:

    http://www.fanblogs.com/ncaa/006646.php

    I agree with their top two. Michigan and Notre Dame both have fight songs that are 100% synonymous with college football, IMO.

  11. PackHooligan 10/23/2007 at 10:26 AM #

    KSU actually does do an Nnnnnn Cccccc Staaaaate type cheer. I have only seen it in football, but after they score they yell “Kkkkkkkkkk Ssssssssssss Uuuuuuuuuuu, KSU!”

  12. EverettBeez 10/23/2007 at 11:07 AM #

    Here is a link to almost all the fight songs, and other team songs, for the nation, by conference. enjoy.

    http://www.fightmusic.com/index.html

  13. EverettBeez 10/23/2007 at 11:14 AM #

    I never really liked App’s Aaaa, Sssss, Uuuuu cheer. I stood there, drink in hand, and did it, but never enjoyed it. We could do it for a few rounds, but it always descended into a big slur and it sounded like we were sneezing. AAAAchew, AAchew.

    It’d be great to come up with something akin to the Hotty Toddy, which Bama copied with “Ramma Yamma, Yella Hammer, give them hell Alabama.”

    If the our esteemed owners are so inclined to sponsor this sort of contest, I provide the part of the prize package – an autographed copy of “The Wolfpack: A History of NC State Athletics.” Its dated, published in 1976 or so.

    So how about it? New Chant for State!

  14. Texpack 10/23/2007 at 2:35 PM #

    We executed the three syllable NC State chant to perfection after the Marcus Melvin 3 pointer put away UH a few years back and it only took about 60 of us to dominate the arena. I must say I’m glad I finished at State before the games were “produced.”

  15. roanwolf 10/23/2007 at 4:21 PM #

    I can tolerate the poorly performed cheer mentioned here.
    My first things to axe would be:
    The shouting of Red in the Star Spangled Banner…….Poor Taste
    The whole first down thing sucks but fortunately haven’t had to hear that much this year.
    Once these are gone then we should work on the drunk cheer.

  16. bTHEredterror 11/10/2007 at 6:15 AM #

    For some of you this may seem sacrilege.

    I propose a slight alteration to our tried and true RAWFS song. Its SEC style, and can be tailor made for each opponent, by replacing everyone’s favorite line ever so slightly. I know, unthinkable, but give it a chance here. I think it beats hearing everybody say “go to hell carolina” months before we play them. Opponents nicknames exaggerated, and can be butchered and interchanged i.e. Tur–tles, Dooo—-kies, Bumble—-Beez (my favorite) as we see fit.

    I’ve put the changes in bold beneath the original obtained from Wikipedia.

    We’re the Red and White from State
    And we know we are the best.
    A hand behind our back,
    We can take on all the rest.
    Come over the hill, Caroline.*
    Devils and Deacs stand in line.
    The Red and White from N.C. State.
    -Go State!!!
    We’re the Red and White From State
    And we know we are the best,
    A hand behind our back,
    We can still whup all the rest.
    *Tar–holes get beat to hell, @ Light the lights and ring the Bell, #
    We’re the Red and White from NC State
    -Go State

    opponents nicknames as assigned by us
    or Real well instead of beat to hell for the sensitive, politically corrrect, humorless…….in the SEC they’d say Beat to hell.
    or….Lets all go pee in their well, special for those Fargin skyblue bunch of bostages

    It would take time, but would be original and fun. IMO the reason the “Yellow Hammer” chant and the like are so cool, is the slight change in tense, at the end of a game. Instead of saying We’re gonna beat the hell outta you.”, its “We just beat the hell outta you.” , and the flexibility with the opponents nickname with Hey!! Tigers!!

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