12/31/2015 at 4:05 PM #95567wolfpack92owenParticipant
Screw it. Lets throw the kitchen sink at Chip Kelly. Back up the Brinks truck. Until we do something balls out like that we will get absolutely no effing where. I refuse to be depressed by a weak sister program.
As crazy as that sounds I think Yow should at least reach out to him. I know there is small chance he would ever come but he is from the east coast, he would provide instant excitement for the program and the investment would pay off 10 fold. Recruiting would dramatically take off and I cannot imagine how hard it would be to get a ticket if he were the coach. I bet there would be a huge influx of donor money if Deb managed to pull that off.
For once in our existence I wish would be bold and proactive and try and make some magic happen.12/31/2015 at 4:26 PM #95568cjblaywolfParticipant
How about a guy like Lincoln Riley? People say we have gotten better, tell me where? We whipped the Holes in Chapel Hill last year, and this year they drop like 35 in the First Quarter on us. We ran Brissett the whole game last year and didn’t try to run the ball hardly at all this year. Huxstable’s defense is horrible and Canada playcalling is somewhat headscratching. Samuels should touch the ball at least 15 to 20 times every game. I don’t know about y’all but I’m tired of being middle of the road or worse. If McClendon don’t catch on fast and grow we are going to be in for a really long season. I really believe we might win 3 games next year.12/31/2015 at 4:53 PM #95571rthomas44Participant
All of you need to Chill!!! I think Yow is AD for a reason. Dumping the football coach after 3 years is not her style.12/31/2015 at 5:08 PM #95572wolfpack92owenParticipant
All of you need to Chill!!! I think Yow is AD for a reason. Dumping the football coach after 3 years is not her style.
The reason Yow is the AD is that woodson went rogue and thought she would be a better hire then what the search committee suggested. Not a stellar moment for him.12/31/2015 at 6:26 PM #95573StateRed44Participant
Get real bruh. This program has been sucking hind tit since the 70’s. Guy has a woeful conference record after year 3. What more is there to see? Year 4 is likely gonna be significantly worse. You gotta take some chances when you are as down on the pecking order as us. I would back channel all of the above. Even L-fed is dogging us staring at sanctions. We should be doing better.12/31/2015 at 6:59 PM #95574AdventurooParticipant
Lots of moans and groans. I drove through fog and rain and traffic from Raleigh. I got there and it was pouring cats and dogs so the fan zone for my GS was a real wash out.
OK….the game. The dye was cast in the first offensive stand (which was REALLY Offensive). Jacoby was scrambling for his life. Russell may have been more adept at running for his survival. I saw him do that in many games. When he left here, he went to WI and, low and behold, he could pass and scramble and make things happen. BUT, he was not fearing for his life…..
Jacoby was in the survival mode. Blame it on the O-Line or the adept scouting of MSU and their DC….blame it on John Swofford. It was UGLY.
We DID come to life for a while….but then went back to sleep.
If you looked at the stands and compared it to the 2011 Belk Bowl, it was shocking. The paid attendance in 2011 was around 59K. Last year it was 46K. This year, it was only 44K. Scalpers were selling the $92 (Face) duckets for $30.
WE, the fans, did NOT travel that well. YES, MSU had a longer drive so the attendance from their side would be down. BUT, our attendance sucked.
If you could get the REAL Scanned data, it would be worse. And obviously the weather was a concern. I had to pass on a bowl game several years ago after buying tickets as the weather did not cooperate and I refused to take my motor home out for a slip-slidding trip on the ice and snow.
If you were at the game, there WAS a considerable difference in the tone and enthusiasm of the sidelines. Call it the Cow Bell Boogie. The MSU bench (not gonna get into the game folks) were over on the sidelines jumping and cheering. They had more enthusiasm that their own cheerleaders….but were uglier.
There needs to be some changes. If DD is half as smart as I think he is and IF he knows AD Yow, like he should, then there will be at least one KEY coordinator MIA….and a small covey of position or assistant coaches.
SO, let’s see how next year plays out. Lowe did not get any special treatment….even though his pedigree was stellar. AD Yow ain’t gonna put up with mediocrity.
Meanwhile, back at Bowl Central, Clemson just put the tiger paw whammy on OSU. OSU does NOT look like they are a #4 seed….BUT, it is only 2 scores difference, but it is late in Q3.12/31/2015 at 7:18 PM #95576
Again I think Deoren is capable, but he has got to lose his allegiance to his assistants, when they are not doing their job. Lest he lose his. And hope he doesn’t let Gallaspy defect. We need his talents.12/31/2015 at 8:17 PM #95577tractor57Participant
OSU? Really? What are you smoking or drinking?>12/31/2015 at 8:20 PM #95579DucoPackParticipant
Don’t know that I get the notion that MSU took Samuels away when his line reads 4 touches, 54 yards, an 2 TD’s. That being said the O and D lines must be upgraded. The D line is in a good place at the moment, the O–not so much. DD has acknowledged this and it can be accomplished without splashy recruiting. The trouble is, it takes time and in year 3 there is not much evidence that it is occurring.12/31/2015 at 9:39 PM #95581
BUT, our attendance sucked
Yea, it was pretty poor, playing an SEC squad in our own home state. Not sure what that is about – cerrtainly weather was a factor, but I detected a bunch of apathy from many Pack fans. Big year for DD and company in 2016.
Clemson is the real deal. Oklahoma was no match in the second half. The Tigers are the most complete team in the country. Serious talent.12/31/2015 at 9:59 PM #95582BassPackerParticipant
I agree, DD needs to do some internal changes with his staff if he plans on being long term here in Raleigh. Perhaps Raleigh was only planned to be a stepping stone back to Wisconsin but the way that train is rolling, its off the track and headed for a station at South Florida or Bowling Green.
Some have suggested throwing the bank at the likes of a Chip Kelly. Or maybe Lincoln Riley. I would love to see a big established name or young proven gun here if for nothing more to bring some excitement back to the program.
My question is who drives the brink truck to the bank? UNC threw big bucks at Chizik for DC and he came. Where and who decided his salary to get him in Chapel Hill? So, who controled the money to get a Gene Chizik as DC? The AD? The head coach? The WPC? Does the salary come from the Athletic Dept bank or is DD given free rein to decide assistants salaries? Short of long….who gives the green light to back the brink truck to a big name DC or OC front door and then signs the IOU?12/31/2015 at 10:23 PM #95583tjfoose1Participant
Not a stellar moment for him.
Yes, it was.12/31/2015 at 10:44 PM #95584
On the bright side, if Clemson proceeds to win the National Championship, we can say that we put up more points on them, than any other opposition. 41 points.12/31/2015 at 11:00 PM #95585MrPlywoodParticipant
^I’m pulling for Clemson. I can live with them as Champs and it will give the ACC some cred.12/31/2015 at 11:05 PM #95586
Watching Bama whip Mich State, and again reminded, like last night, that championship teams never take their foot off the gas, no matter how far ahead they may be. Miss State, sure never backed down on us, as Canada likes to go in cruise mode after we get ahead, and play not lose. Even though that hasn’t been an issue the last several games. Really will kill any enthusiasm I may have, if we bring back the same assistants, next season. If so, we are surely screwed.12/31/2015 at 11:54 PM #95587choppack1Participant
I don’t think that’s relevant to out situation. We are mediocre because our defense against the best teams we played was horrid… And our offense vs. Louisville and Vatech sucked.
Acc championships, final 4, 6-2 conference records are carts way before the horse…we need to 4-4 before anything else.01/01/2016 at 6:03 PM #95608packalum44Participant
TJFoose don’t mix up sports my man. With a high level of conviction I believe Mark G. is an average to below average coach. I want him out immediately because we should strive for better. Dave is much different.
I had a problem with Dave his first year b/c he took lemons and made a lemon turd sandwich. However I update my opinion based on new information (many do not there are cognitive and emotional biases at work read Daniel Kahneman’s work for more information.)
Vegas oddsmakers take into account margin of victory and standard deviation of the margin. If a team wins half their games by 1 and half by 20 points they (approximately) have the same margin of victory as a team that won all their games by 10. Which team you putting your money on?
Our team improved this year. We lost by less and were more consistent overall (Dave cites we were competitive which is coachspeak you guys still with me?) Those with strong critical thinking skills can understand that a team that wins/loses by a point (over the long run) is essentially equivalent to its opponent.
So what????? We barely lost to VA Tech and Louisville…the ball didn’t “bounce our way” which is coachspeak for….some things are just pure chance. Once could argue that by chance (through no fault of Dorhen) the outcome of those games could have flipped which would have resulted in a 9 win season.
I’m simply taking financial acumen and applying it to a different discipline. I didn’t study 4 years for the CFA in vain.
This is directed to no one in particular but if there are flaws in my analysis please point them out instead of just being a redneck and saying eerrrhhhh they took our jobs wins/losses is all that matters!!01/01/2016 at 6:36 PM #95612bill.onthebeachParticipant
^ Interesting math my friend…
… and while the “did more with less” argument is perhaps convincing on one level, it in no ways addresses the more fundamental problem of “we need more” to get to and stay competitive with the Top 25 year in and year out…
… yes, there’s a whole different dynamic here and as you correctly intimate the “rules” don’t automatically tranfer from the gridiron… nevertheless… if we use the “Progress” metric… that is… how far Coach took a group of individuals at the beginning of the season and successfully won 20 plus games in one season… that perspective looks pretty good…
if we want to talk about bball recruiting…
for twenty years we weren’t even in the conversation for the top recruits…
now for the first time in years… we are “competitive”… that too is significant progress
but… in spite of these positives… there should be no question that NCState BBall is still a long way from what we took for granted under Case, Sloan and Valvano..
At the end of the day… for both football and basketball, I don’t really think the long term solutions are 100% dependent on Coaching or Money…
What we need to take both sports to the next level is … Energy, Enthusiasm and Excitement
That’s what the kids today are buying… not tradition …
Coach can be a big part of that, but it takes a lot more than just Coach to create a feeding frenzy…
BTW… Betcha a cold beer, I GOTT more letters to go behind my name than you do…
Happy New Year!#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!01/01/2016 at 6:57 PM #95613
Obviously there were quite a few emails to DY, with the core of each letter pertaining to the same thing with where the football program is headed. So me and the others were sent a response from DY, and yes there will be sit down discussion between coach and AD, on the direction we are headed, DY also pointed out the injuries and loss of players for whatever reason, as well as coach mentioning possible changes.01/01/2016 at 7:11 PM #95615
Gott is a better basketball coach than Doeren is a football coach right now. Maybe that changes. Maybe not. But the market speaks. And if Gott were let go today (for whatever reason) you can bet your behind he would be hired by a Power 5. Doeren? No way, man.01/01/2016 at 7:21 PM #95616TexpackParticipant
There are a couple of key differences between the DD 7-8 win seasons and the TOB 7-8 win seasons. RW & MG vs JB has lowered the ceiling and hurt our ability to compete vs better teams. It has absolutely eliminated the big upset possibilities. TOB never parlayed those two into massive recruiting hauls because he was retired on the job.
We have also cut way back on the WTF losses. To me this is a more sustainable place to build from and make no mistake that being competitive with P5 teams that win requires some building from where we were when DD took over.
The things that bother me most about where we are currently are the lack of intensity that I think I see at times combined with having the 10th rated recruiting class in the conference. Our program feels like the NBA team that gets the 7-8 seed evEry year. You never have a chance to land the game changer.01/01/2016 at 8:11 PM #95617
To further illustrate my point, it is much more difficult to sustain NCAA tourney bids than bowl appearances. There are far more (347) teams in college basketball than college football (147). There are currently 41 bowl games – 82 teams go bowling! Some even with losing records.
We all know all you need is a few good players to make some noise on the hardwoord. “Small” schools (i.e. Xavier, Gtown, Nova, St. John’s, Butler, Providence, Marquette, Gonzaga, Saint Mary’s, BYU, Wichita State, VCU, N. Iowa, Davidson, SMU, San Diego State, etc.), in addition to the automatic bid, make it much more difficult to qualify.
Doeren took a team bowling by way of beating 4 cupcakes to start the year and then Wake (3-9), BC (3-9), and Cuse (4-8). In sum, he won the games he was supposed to win, and lost all the others. Yet, he was rewarded with a pretty decent bowl bid, and then subsequently got embarrassed on national television to a team that finished in a tie for 5th in the SEC West. He did that by not beating a Power 5 with a winning record.
Doeren’s upside may be greater than Gott’s. Time will tell. But right now, Gott is the better coach relative to the competition.01/01/2016 at 8:25 PM #95618bill.onthebeachParticipant
The “most” biggest difference between basketball in pads on grass and basketball on the hardwood is simply this…
In football, most of time, most of the players on the field are Juniors and Seniors and most of them are redshirts…
In Basketball…. most of the time, most Coaches don’t know who they GOTT from one season to the next…
That in and of itself…
should negate the coaching comparisons between the sports for most all educated observers …#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!01/01/2016 at 8:32 PM #95619
In Basketball…. most of the time, most Coaches don’t know who they GOTT from one season to the next…
They may not know exactly what they have, but they have a plan. Just as a football coach does. In the end, in both sports, you are measured against your peers. That’s why they keep score and maintain win/loss records. College basketball coaches are let go for foreseen or unforeseen reasons. Records and performance absolutely matter, regardless of the reason(s) for the lack of performance. You cannot simply excuse it away.01/01/2016 at 10:06 PM #95620
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