The rest of this season – what to expect?

Within the comments section of VaWolf82’s fantastic ACC Mid-Season Review,  there was a post that prompted me to reflect on the Wolfpack’s current basketball season. In my opinion, the post – by 13OT –  really cut to the heart of why we’ve seen what we’ve seen this season – the good and the bad. A choice quote:

This team should be getting better but simply isn’t. If anything, they’re getting worse. What we have here is mainly a bunch of street-ballers who still don’t function as a cohesive team unit, can’t shoot free throws, hold on to the ball, take sensible shots, or play consistent defense.”

^I believe this is a very fair assessment. 13OT didn’t say that we had bad players or bad people, just that the group is not a cohesive team unit, among other things. I happen to agree. At the end of the post, the following opinion is offered:

I wouldn’t want to have to coach this team, and I’m beginning to wonder if those who have to really want to.”

^If I had to guess, I’d guess that there’s merit to this line of thinking. Before I get into why I’m expressing that sentiment please bear in mind that I’m not attempting to fan the flames of a “is Gottfried responsible?” argument. It’s his team, of course he’s responsible. That doesn’t mean we can’t try to decipher why certain things may or may not be working. I’m not on the sidelines and I’m not at practice, but that doesn’t mean I can’t take some good ‘ol message board guesses (read: pretty worthless) as to what might be going on.

So, why do I feel that this unit hasn’t gelled into a team and that perhaps this season has proven problematic from a coaching standpoint? Well, I’ll first start with some general observations about this season’s team:

  1. There’s some good individual talent
  2. These all seem to be really good guys. The type you want representing your team. They seem to support one another and buy into the ‘team’ concept. All very likable.

Ok, great – we’ve got some good talent and good guys whose personalities seem to mesh … So what the hell has happened to prevent this from all coming together? If they supposedly buy into the team concept, then why do we see evidence to the contrary on the court? In my view, it breaks down as follows:

– A) There is no on-floor general. Generally speaking, it’s accepted/presumed that Trevor Lacey is the leader of the team. He is by all accounts a good guy with good leadership qualities and is a great player. I’d argue even that he is a special player, one that has the potential to lead a team to a special accomplishment.

Sometimes though, a team needs more than a good leader / potentially special player. Sometimes a group of great guys need a kick in the ass. A group of great guys need a villain. A villain who will call out missed assignments, missed plays. A villain who will goad, will motivate, will unify those around them to share a common goal: overcome the villain. Gottfried has attempted to be this team’s villain. No response. You can’t fake being that which you are not.

As much as it makes me want to vomit to say, sometimes a ‘Laettner’ is just what a team needs. That one person who will keep everyone else from straying from the plan and keep them in check. The one person who will provide the impetus for having and sharing a singular direction, purpose, and vision when the coach doesn’t always get through.

– B) When players on a team stray and wind up on different pages, they revert back to relying on their individual talents and traits and stop relying on their teammates. Even if they buy-in and believe in the team concept, if they’re all on separate pages of the same playbook it’s damn near impossible to be one cohesive unit. Then they’re just a collection of individuals, and it really doesn’t matter how talented each individual part is.

A team provides a safety net for each of it’s individuals – everyone has each others’ backs. Everyone knows their role and function – the right decisions are made at the right time. Mistakes are made up for through practice, being on one page, through discipline … Not so for individuals – each mistake is glaring to observers.

It can be even worse for unselfish individuals – which I feel we have. Being unselfish is a good trait, especially on a team. But when you’re too unselfish you can wind up trying to please and doing what is asked of you come hell or high water. What’s that one play that we run quite literally every time down the court? The one that everyone in the gym knows is coming? Oh yeah – the ‘run one guy off a bunch of screens until he can reasonably shoot a contested 3’ play.

You’re trying to be unselfish, you’re trying to do what is asked – but everyone has a different idea of what that is. There are no feints, no mis-direction, no quick reads that take advantage of athleticism. No taking advantage of a system that – when executed as one unit – utilizes and maximizes an individual’s given talents. Just bad, bad, terri-bad decision making and discipline.

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TL;DR: The team lacks motivation and a singular direction, purpose and vision. It’s greatest downfalls are a lack of discipline and some bad decision making.

^All of the above leads me to feel that maybe we should just abandon thinking – just start playing and reacting – in an attempt to salvage the season. Run full court man or some 1-2-2 trap press. Keep the transition game going. Failing that, in the half court just go 1-4 motion and break down the defense off the dribble. In limited samples, it seems the team has responded favorably and everyone is active.

Is this the right decision though? Would this be the best course for the rest of the season? As a fan, I want to win every bit as much as the coaches and players do. I want to take every opportunity and explore every avenue available that would lead to success within this season.

As a program manager and coach though it may not be quite that simple. What about the plan and vision that has been implemented? What about the core philosophy and the Pyramid of Success? Do we perhaps abandon some of these things at this point in what could be a futile effort to salvage the season? What about the future?

Hopefully, aside from the graduating seniors all of these guys will be back next season. As previously stated, there would be some really good talent returning – plus, to me, all of these guys are very likable and easy to cheer for. It’s a solid nucleus. Do you keep on keepin’ on, hoping that one day this season it will all fall into place? Or do you go all out in an effort to just win now? If you do the latter, then what do you do next season when these same guys are back?

It’s painful to lose, but I have a feeling there isn’t any question that things will continue as is for this season. Keep planning and building the foundation for the future while still trying to succeed in the present. “Know what you teach, and teach what you know.” I can respect that. Please notice that I did not say I ‘excuse’ anything, I said respect. The results, as always, will speak for themselves. The much reviled, unofficial theme of State fans everywhere may need to be uttered once again – ‘wait til next year!!!’.

What’s your take on this season and the future?

 

 

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  • #73506
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    Next season is absolutely vital, whether this one turns around a bit or not. This season’s ending has no bearing on how much I need to see in 2015-16. It needs to be special, or I’m worried.

    Over the years, you’ve mentioned many times about wanting a special season at least once ever 4-5 years. I want that too, but I’m not sure that’s a part of DY’s (or the large, large majority of other AD’s) evaluation process.

    What do I expect:
    – poor defense
    – poor rebounding
    – poor decision making way too often
    – poor free throw shooting
    – bad losses

    Last year’s team had exactly one impressive win (over Syracuse in the ACCT). Hopefully, this year’s version can reach .500 in conference and add a second impressive win before Selection Sunday.

    #73507
    wufpup76
    Keymaster

    Really good, insightful post xphoenix. Thanks.

    #73511
    Rick
    Keymaster

    The fact that they didn’t come together completely undermined all momentum of year 1. That’s my point about that and Sid’s year 2. That momentum hurts future recruiting, not necessarily what you have coming in immediately afterwards. We’re suffering in recruiting now because of year 2 and what has transpired since.

    It certainly is hurting. We went from multiple McD AAs to one to none to no players at all. Hard not to argue that is a bad trend. If people say it is playing time then next year we face the same problem.
    My guess is 1-3 players transfer and we have no depth at all.

    #73512
    WolfWiz11
    Participant

    I question whether they go all out for 40 minutes. Unless their 40 minutes is like 20 Earth minutes. In which case, yea, I agree with you.

    #73513
    PapaJohn
    Participant

    Well, we’ve always said that Gott’s strength was recruiting first, offense second, and I don’t know what order the rest would fall into.

    Recruiting:
    2014 – I like our freshmen, but they are not elite recruits. As noted above, no McDonald’s All Americans. I’d say that Abu was an elite athlete, but he’s still learning the game of basketball – so not an elite basketball player.

    2015 – Barring a big, last minute surprise, next year will be worse. No one signed early. We are on some lists, but I don’t see any major talent headed to Raleigh.

    Offense:
    If our 3PT shooting is falling, we look pretty good. If not, we seldom can figure out any alternatives.

    So Gott’s “strengths” aren’t working right now, and they seem to be trending in a negative direction.

    In the back of my mind I keep thinking, Debbie Yow is a basketball coach. She knows a lot about coaching. She knows the difference between a good coach and a bad coach. We’ve heard Gott pay a lot more lip service to playing defense this year. (“we’re gonna be a good defensive team this year”) I’ll bet that is directly related to some “coaching” he received from her. I’ll bet she called him out on his lack of defense. (just a guess/hope) And so he talks a lot more about it, knowing she’s focused on it. But it isn’t happening on the floor.

    I think a lot of Ms Yow. She really seems to be trying to upgrade the overall athletic program. I wonder if she’s GOTT somebody on a short leash, and if he doesn’t deliver soon ….

    #73514
    Whiteshoes67
    Participant

    Wufpup, I generally don’t buy the missing team leader argument in sports. It’s an assumption offered up to explain woes.

    I’ve known many a team with great leaders that had poor results. Team leadership may win a few points off the court, and occasionally might propel you to overcome a few game obstacles, but it’s a relatively minor factor.

    And it certainly cannot overcome what xphoenix astutely observes. When you’re mediocre, there’s more missing than team leadership.

    I do believe that leadership can be cultivated, and comes in all forms.

    #73515
    McCallum
    Participant

    WOW! A “war and peace” of comments about this and that when Gott really should run the pickett fence at them.

    Leaders are not cultivated, they are or they ain’t.

    If an organization is crappy it keeps them from moving up hence the status of the organization.

    McCallum

    #73517
    wufpup76
    Keymaster

    Wufpup, I generally don’t buy the missing team leader argument in sports. It’s an assumption offered up to explain woes.

    I’ve known many a team with great leaders that had poor results. Team leadership may win a few points off the court, and occasionally might propel you to overcome a few game obstacles, but it’s a relatively minor factor.

    And it certainly cannot overcome what xphoenix astutely observes. When you’re mediocre, there’s more missing than team leadership.

    I do believe that leadership can be cultivated, and comes in all forms.

    ^That’s cool, and sounds entirely reasonable/plausible imo. Thanks for your response.

    I wanted to avoid this article being seen as any type of an “excuse-making rabbit hole”, so I was hoping I didn’t fail too hard when I saw your original response 🙂

    #73518
    wufpup76
    Keymaster

    #73519
    choppack1
    Participant

    I think out guys play hard, they are talented, and by all accounts are decent young men…this should give us an idea of where the problem could lie.

    The evolution around here is funny. When a coach first arrives – the coach has bad kids, no one can win with this lack of talent/group of malcontents. Then it slowly transitions to “its the coach dammit.”

    It was obvious in year 2 what was going to happen with sid. With gott – the jury is still out. Was his collapse at bama after a promising start the result of personal issues or did the game tweak in a subtle enough way that his way couldn’t bring better than 65% in conference wins.

    He clearly deserves another year short of on-court issues. But depending on how recruiting goes, yow may need to do another proactive removal after year 5.

    #73521
    TheCOWDOG
    Moderator

    So…did anybody Google Art?

    ‘Cause I can get back to ya’ on some of that.

    #73523
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    ^Cuz …

    I’d be interested to see how you connect the second guy from the left on the back row to this year’s team…
    … and I’m sure everybody else would too…

    The long version if you don’t mind…
    I’ll buy you a cold beer.

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #73524
    coyotejoe
    Participant

    COWDOG, I would love to hear some more about Mr. Musselman.

    #73525
    Primewolf
    Participant

    Pup, that is one ???? Poll. I don’t know what to make of your propositions, but it seems obvious to me Gott is not a great leader or coach. I really don’t see any real chance of reasonable success during his tenure. The team is lost, getting worse. It is tough getting out prepared and coached every game. Is this not Gotts 4th year?? Why waste a few more years on this. If Gott had shown any improvement in fundamentals or you could see a tiny trend up, my position would be different. I am tired of relying on the 3 pt heave as our strategy because we can’t work the ball enough to produce a good 3 pt shot. However, I suspect he will have a few more years to prove me wrong.

    #73526
    Whiteshoes67
    Participant

    Orgs have personnel in place to train and teach and yes, cultivate, nurture, and reward performance and development of leadership skills of workers. In a sports org, among 18-23 year olds, performance and leadership ain’t necessarily to be found in the same workers. I’d say old Norman dale knew how to find his leaders.

    #73527
    Whiteshoes67
    Participant

    Seriously, rank ACC coaches. Where do we stand relative to our peers?

    I don’t know if they print it anymore, but I always bought a copy of the ACC Handbook years ago. At some point, they started including the anonymous comments of opposing teams coaches. And they we’re candid. Wonder what the rest of the league would say about our players, staff, team?

    #73528
    wufpup76
    Keymaster

    Pup, that is one ???? Poll.

    Apparently I should have been more nuanced with the poll answers. I’ll keep that in mind 😉

    I appreciate everyone’s feedback, and I’m glad the article at least generated some starting points for discussion.

    Please, carry on 🙂

    #73529
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    Seriously, rank ACC coaches. Where do we stand relative to our peers?

    Been thinking the same thing.

    I’d easily put our guy over Gregory, Christian and Brownell. Returns on Manning and Buzz Williams too early to call.

    #73530
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    ..coyoteJoe..
    stuff I’d forgotten…

    start here….

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    #73531
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    In a sports org, among 18-23 year olds, performance and leadership ain’t necessarily to be found in the same workers.

    It might be worth remembering…. that every kid on our Team, including the walk-ons… was a Senior Leader on his last team…
    They all have done it before… or we wouldn’t know their names…

    But this is a different team … and it’s an “adjustment”… and there’s an “adjustment period” which may be shorter or longer depending on a lot of things…

    There’s just as much, if not more, difference between sophomores and seniors in HS as there is between freshman and seniors in College… and there’s gonna a little to a lot of “roostering” until they work the thing out among themselves…

    Generally speaking, best thing for Coach to do is to set ’em up so it’s a fair fight and then sit back and watch… Generally speaking that is…

    Unquestionably… the worst thing Coach can do is to pick their Leader for them… every time…

    And there’s no question that with this year’s Team, it’s taken twice as long or more than with some other teams… and then some year’s it never happens…

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #73532
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    Seriously, rank ACC coaches. Where do we stand relative to our peers?

    Let’s ask the same question this way…

    Would you trade Coach GOTT for Uncle Roy or Coach Rat?
    Would you trade Coach for Petino or Boeheim ?

    Wave a magic wand and take money out of the equation…. honest answers..
    If Coach had a medical thing and couldn’t coach anymore, who would you pick as a Head Coach that is currently coaching at an ACC school?

    I know my answer and it ain’t Bennett…. although he is a good one.

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #73534
    Whiteshoes67
    Participant

    Bill, I think there’s a difference between being a leader on the floor and a team leader among players. Some guys lead quietly and by example. Some are in your face. Some don’t get much floor time but serve as mentors and help others better execute or accept a role. I don’t know much about these men’s high school careers, but just because you’re The Guy in high school, I don’t think that equates to leadership.

    I don’t get the point of your question about coaches. For the long haul, Bennett is a no brainer, but I also think Williams will be successful eventually at vt. Lots of older coaches in the league. Right now, i’d rank our guy in the middle third, but he’s straddling that line to bottom third.

    #73535
    Pack1998
    Participant

    I would say the talent on this team is at average to below average for the ACC.

    If u start w that observation u will have a different view.

    Check the other teams – ACC is loaded w talent. Not for th weak.

    #73536
    lawful
    Participant

    We gave up 50 pts in a half to WF. Really? Has anyone else given up that many points in a half to WF this year? How about the last 5 years?

    We blow huge leads. Blame it on the players if you want. This is big time college ball. Put your foot up their ass if you have to. This team should be top 25.

    #73537
    redcanine
    Participant

    I don’t expect any epiphanies or changes in offensive or defensive strategy. At this point, might as well stick with your guns. We’ll continue to play 4 post guys for a combined 80 minutes, 20 points & 15 boards, and 12 fouls. Defensively, we’ll play prevent, only to foul with under 5 seconds left on the shot clock and put em on the line for an and-1, or completely whiff on the rebound attempt.

    I expect our weak side off the ball defense to continue to be very vulnerable to ball reversals.

    I expect Cat to continue his aggressive play. This might be the best thing we have going for us. The more he can push it coast to coast, the less we’ll have to set up our offense. As long as he keeps finishing lay ups from the left side with his left hand (way to go, Cat!), he’ll keep scoring points.

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