ACC to welcome Notre Dame as partial-member (UPDATED 12PM)

Noon Update:
Dan Wetzel explains some details (Yahoo!):

Even though the football team isn’t joining the ACC, that program is affected by the news as well.

The Irish will play five games every year against ACC opponents, the conference said. Notre Dame will join the ACC as soon as it can exit the Big East, according to ESPN’s story. The school has to provide a 27-month notice, but West Virginia, Pittsburgh and Syracuse were able to get out earlier by paying a higher exit fee.

The arrangement will obviously be unusual. Notre Dame will play close to a full ACC schedule – the full members of the conference play eight league games – but not be part of the league. Notre Dame could go 5-0 in games against regularly scheduled ACC foes but wouldn’t claim the conference championship, at least officially.

Like most things about realignment, it’s confusing.

ACC members will get less non-conference scheduling flexibility, but that’s probably not a bad tradeoff for those teams to get the occasional home game (and huge crowd) against Notre Dame. Notre Dame’s scheduling flexibility will also be affected a bit, but this year’s schedule already had an ACC flavor, with Miami, Boston College and Wake Forest on the slate, as well as future ACC member Pitt.

Also, the new arrangement with the ACC doesn’t affect Notre Dame’s television contract with NBC, the South Bend Tribune reports, which makes the ACC deal a pretty nice win for the Fighting Irish.

Also, tucked away in this news is the ACC’s revised $50 million exit fee, up from $20 million, which effectively solidifies the commitment of the current membership and ends any talk of ACC teams defecting the SEC (Orlando Sentinel):

One of the biggest items in Wednesday morning’s announcement from the Atlantic Coast Conference about a new partial membership agreement with Notre Dame had to do with an expanded exit fee.

According to the ACC’s announcement, school administrators serving on the ACC’s Council of Presidents upped the conference’s exit fee to $50 million. It now will take current member schools an additional $30 million to leave the conference for a new affiliation.

Updated 10:30AM:
ESPN reporting this is a done deal:

Notre Dame will join the Atlantic Coast Conference as a full member with the exception of football, but will play five football games annually against ACC teams.

“We have monitored the changing conference landscape for many months and have concluded that moving to the ACC is the best course of action for us,” said Jack Swarbrick, Notre Dame vice president and director of athletics, in a statement released by the conference. “We are able to maintain our historic independence in football, join in the ACC’s non-BCS bowl package, and provide a new and extremely competitive home for our other sports.”

The ACC does not offer hockey, so it is presumed that Notre Dame will go through with its planned move to Hockey East in that sport.

The Irish will join the ACC as soon as it can exit the Big East. The Big East currently requires members to provide 27 months notice to exit although West Virginia, Pittsburgh and Syracuse were able to leave earlier by paying a higher exit fee.

Keep in mind, Dick Vitale was hinting all around this on Twitter last week.

Two questions that come immediately to mind:
1) How much influence will Notre Dame have in which ACC teams it schedules? Surely it will maintain its traditional rivalry with Boston College, but will the other slots be on a standard rotation among all 12 14 teams or will there be preferences for certain teams?

2) How will this affect Notre Dame’s BCS eligibility? Will they take an ACC slot as pseudo-champion?

Previous:
ESPN’s Brett McMurphy (@McMurphyESPN) just tweeted:

Notre Dame will join ACC as full member w/exception of football. ND will play 5 football games annually vs. ACC, sources told @ESPN

Notre Dame will join ACC as soon as it exits Big East. BE requires 27 months notice, but Irish could negotiate earlier exit

This is NOT a surprise to us. We’d heard multiple rumblings about Notre Dame joining the ACC, but that some ‘unique details’ were being worked out. So, we didn’t know if that was special scheduling issues related to non-revenue sports or if it was some kind of partial membership (that is clearly new territory for the Atlantic Coast Conference).

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95 Responses to ACC to welcome Notre Dame as partial-member (UPDATED 12PM)

  1. ppack3 09/12/2012 at 12:03 PM #

    This also gives us an ally in the BCS talks about the future of football championships, as Notre Dame’s AD holds as much weight as the other major conference Comish’s.

  2. wilmwolf80 09/12/2012 at 12:05 PM #

    There may be positives in this for the ACC, but forgive me for being skeptical that John Swofford is skilled enough to actually negotiate a deal worthwhile for the rank and file ACC schools.

  3. Lunatic Fringe 09/12/2012 at 12:14 PM #

    It should have been an all or nothing thing for football. Now was the time to rope in ND football (not later)…

    – Second lowest ratings 15 years for opener by ND
    – Following 2011 year that was worst ratings ever by ND

  4. wolfbuff 09/12/2012 at 12:14 PM #

    “Look for FSU to go independent in football? So, they are going to pay $50 million for the right to be independent? How do some of you get through the day without hurting yourself?”

    Yeah, StateFans, I said that. And believe that if we’re now in the business of letting members pick and choose which sports they want to share revenue and which ones they want to keep the spoils for themselves, then why not? Sure, if there is a $50M buyout as you implied, that would factor into the decision. It wasn’t that long ago that FSU was winning 10+ games/year and going to a major bowl annually. If they get back to that level, they have to think about it. Those bowls – and with it a possible national championship – would easily enable them to pay any buyout charges. Sure, it’s a risk. There is no guarantee that you’ll stay at that level. But FSU has as good a chance as any. They’ve been there before. And I think they would jump at the chance to rid themselves of the hypocrisy of the ACC. They’ve been screwed probably more than anybody while the Blues get away with murder.

    Edit: And as Sequoyah suggests below, if I’m Duke or UNCheat, I have to be thinking about basketball independence. They both have national brand, success, and Gawd knows, ESPN would pay their buyout fees just to play each other 30 times a season. Why share those revenues with the rest of the ACC who are not pulling their basketball weight?

    Agree with my opinion or not, but how about keeping it civil.

  5. charger17 09/12/2012 at 12:23 PM #

    My disappointment with all this is I actually believed State is in the better half of the ACC. So what if the ACC got picked apart, I think we actually would’ve ended up better off. Of course, there’s nothing we could’ve done about the conference’s relationship with ND.

    The only positives being pointed out about this entire deal is the near-future safety of the ACC as a conference. There is no benefit in this deal for NC State!

    I’ve said it before, there are only two values that are brought to the table: product and market. With the individual universities bringing the product, there are too many hands in the “market” jar. Somebody soon is going to get left out in the cold. Maybe it’s the conferences, the NCAA, probably not the media. What’s to keep ESPN from going with a massive deal to create four, 10 team divisions of the top programs around the country – Nothing but the guts to do it.

  6. sequoyah 09/12/2012 at 12:25 PM #

    I’m with LRM – it’s a move the ACC needed to make. Plus, it should put us on national TV more often..great exposure – god knows we need to expand our recruiting base.

    Sucks for non-revenue sports having to travel even more for conf. matches tho’.

    Prediction – in five years:
    a. ND joins full time in football
    and/or
    b. One or both of the blue-clad asterisks get their own ESPN basketball deals and sue to leave and become partial b-ball members (and avoid paying their exit fees). mark it down.

  7. coach13 09/12/2012 at 12:27 PM #

    Just seems to me joining the ACC as a full ember would have been better for Notre Dame IF they value getting to a BCS bowl. I mean, 2 or 3 teams to challenge even a mediocre ND is all there is (what…you think we can beat them? Rivers is gone my friends). VT and FSU. They would have competed annually with whichever of those 2’s division they would be put in to go to the ACC title game. Sure Clemson or somebody might be decent occasionally. Is freedom of scheduling more important than a great major BCS bowl opportunity?

    I think the ACC tournament for basketball should only include the top 8 (even if it excludes US), to keep that monstrosity from getting worse.

  8. blpack 09/12/2012 at 12:33 PM #

    It is awesome that Swoff and Thorp can talk about academic integrity in the Blue Zone.

  9. ncsu_kappa 09/12/2012 at 12:57 PM #

    Wow with so many pansy football teams they are going to look like a top 10 team just by virtue of playing bottom feeders like us most of the season

    * BC
    * Wake
    * MD
    * UNC
    * Duke
    * Syracuse
    * Pitt
    * State (unfortunately we are who we thought we were)
    * UVA
    * the U

    Now all they have to do is sequence when they play good teams such as GT, FSU, VT, and Clemson. If they can 2 good teams and 3 bad ones a year plus they get to play Purdue, Penn State, Air force and Navy.

    USC and Michigan (if they keep these two) will plus 2 ACC team will be there only challenges each year. Bad years their floor is 7-8 wins. That’s a good gig if you can get it.

  10. Prowling Woofie 09/12/2012 at 1:08 PM #

    If Swoffy was the architect of this deal, then U*NX will be on ND’s schedule more frequently than not, wait and see. There will not be an equitable rotation.

    Also, the deal better not give ND an equitable distribution of Men’s Basketball revenues unless they had to fork over some of their Football revenues. Otherwise, every ACC school below the Mason Dixon will go broke covering non-revenue travel expenses.

  11. Wulfpack 09/12/2012 at 1:10 PM #

    They also have games with Michigan State, Stanford, BYU, and Oklahoma.

  12. triadwolf 09/12/2012 at 1:30 PM #

    This was inevitable when you look at things in whole. The Big East is a mess and is in constant transition (not expansion) and the ACC needs another card to play in the BCS game. This move should have been evident as soon as they announced their bowl deal a couple months ago. In addition, the inevitable move to 16 team conferences will make it very difficult for ND to continue all it’s rivalries as those teams will have extra conference games eating away at their OOC schedules.

    The ND deal with NBC will most likely not be as attractive come renewal. It’s entirely possible that the ACC and ND can negotiate a monster contract at that point with ND as a full member. In the meantime our teams now have a respectable OOC football opponent once every 3 years that will be a guaranteed sellout.

    I’m also curious if this deal includes or is in addition to the current series with BC.

  13. tjfoose1 09/12/2012 at 1:39 PM #

    “Also, the deal better not give ND an equitable distribution of Men’s Basketball revenues…” But it does, they are getting an equal 1/15th of basketball revenue.

    “… unless they had to fork over some of their Football revenues.” They do not. Notre Dame gets to keep 100% of it’s football revenue.

    But it gets better… Notre Dame now gets to be included in our bowl agreements. So now Notre Dame will replace an ACC Bowl team.

    This was all covered in today’s press conference. Btw, I missed the beginning.. why, exactly, was this held in Chapel Hill?

  14. 61Packer 09/12/2012 at 1:43 PM #

    I don’t see how this possibly helps ACC football get better, given that ND hasn’t been relevant in years to the point that they have an overall losing bowl record. The Irish football program hasn’t been ranked above #16 nationally in at least the past 5 seasons, maybe longer.

    I don’t see how any logical Notre Dame fan could like this, especially from a football standpoint.

    ND plays Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, USC, Stanford, Navy and Boston College every season. The games vs UM, MSU, Purdue and USC are HUGE rivalry games for Irish fans. Are they going to sacrifice those for the likes of Wake, Duke, Maryland, UVA or GT, or even us for that matter?

    And as for us, we’ll get ND here maybe once a decade. And for that, we share our basketball and other sports revenues. Bad deal for us.

    And what happens when ND is thrown into the bowl mix? Although they technically aren’t an ACC football member, I hear they’ll have priority over other ACC schools. They stated that’ll happen only if they outrank the ACC teams, but I’ve heard that BS before.

    Basketball now becomes even more of a mess. Instead of more rivalry games vs Duke and UNC, we’ll instead see them less often, as well as longstanding rivals like Clemson, UVA and Maryland. But, God forbid they tamper with the State-WF rivalry! Like Pitt-Maryland, some things are sacred. And since they’ve already gone to an 18-game league schedule, the coaches won’t allow any more ACC games, no matter how much ACC fans complain during the 14-game ACCT.

    And finally, if ND does become an ACC football member, how would you align the 2 divisions? You’d have to bring in another member for an even 16, but I heard King John state today in the press conference that the ACC was not going to expand anymore.

    Just like there are no academic improprieties at UNC.

  15. Pack1998 09/12/2012 at 2:13 PM #

    . . . only way you do not like tihs is if you had an outside hope State could go do the SEC. This move, with the $50 million exit fee, solidifies that the SEC won’t happen.

    ND’s contract with NBC will run out, ND will continue to be middle of road in football . . . so they likely will consider joining on the Football side.

    The fun conversation becomes discussion on the 16th team.

  16. sequoyah 09/12/2012 at 2:22 PM #

    ^tjfoose1

    it was held in Chapel Hill because that happened to be the site of the this year’s annual ACC President’s conference, which rotates location between the 12 schools.

    Also, wondering if they released the vote of the 12 presidents? unanimous decision? How did NCSU vote? Whoever voted yes, also voted for the $50M buyout.

  17. Alpha Wolf 09/12/2012 at 3:13 PM #

    From what I am reading, it is unanimous, but that could be one of those deals where after a 11-3 vote was made a motion was passed to make it unanimous for appearances’ sake. I have no evidence of that, mind you, but what I have seen that before in other business dealings.

  18. Hawkeye Whitney 09/12/2012 at 3:24 PM #

    When did I get so old? I can only see the ACC through a nostalgic filter now…the ACC of my youth. I will continue to keep up with the Pack, but it’s now just too hard to keep up with the conference. For those of you like me, who can name all eight conference basketball coaches from the ’82-’83 season, how many of the fifteen can you name now off the top of your head?

  19. TOBtime 09/12/2012 at 3:47 PM #

    inhoc, how exactly has the SEC pissed on NC State? ESPN is the one who put us on Friday night. We then rolled over and wet the bed to a very beatable UTn team. So, has the SEC pissed on us because they haven’t ASKED us to join or what? That won’t happen until the deal is done behind closed doors anyway. I doubt you see the mess with FSU get repeated.

    I guess now TOB won’t leave for ND. They still suck and I still hate the deal but it just may be the lesser of 2 (or 3) evils.

  20. hellfishtat 09/12/2012 at 3:53 PM #

    ATTN: Leave for the SEC contingent

    You are all DILLUSIONAL. NCSU was never going to leave (as a founding member) the ACC. I am very glad they raised the exit fee to $50m. That should shut you all up once and for all.

    We (the ACC) are, and always have been, a BASKETBALL CONFERENCE. Get over yourselves and lets regain the top of the ACC Basketball Universe. WE HAVE EXPERIENCE there, none in Football.

    freakin geniuses’

  21. PackFanInLA 09/12/2012 at 4:10 PM #

    I went to NCSU and ND for grad school. Love this deal.

    And for all those who think it is so terrible for the ACC, why would ND sacrifice revenue now by jumping 100% into ACC football? Bird in the hand is better than one in the bush, so there is no way they would take 100% inclusion. No point in complaining about that.

    This adds some implosion-control for the ACC in regards to football which is about as good as we can hope for at this point. ND adds a low-risk school (for UNC-CHEAT type behavior) with ACC-class academics, and national visibility.

    The #1 focus of the conference after this deal should be to GET OUT OF THE RAYCOM DEAL! When I watch games from out here, I feel like i am watching Hee-Haw from 1985. I never realized how bad it was until I moved away. Terrible production value, terrible announcers, terrible everything. It’s like a high school game.

  22. FunPack 09/12/2012 at 4:18 PM #

    Just for the entertainment value… I almost wish the ACC would go ahead and add Fresno State and Boise State as #15 and #16. Just to completely freak ND out. After they sign the multi-year contract, of course.

  23. TruthBKnown Returns 09/12/2012 at 4:32 PM #

    “I hate this move. Absolutely hate it. Full member or nothing.

    ND “chose” the ACC because no other conference would accept such a ridiculous arrangement.”

    The Big East says hello.

    I like this. First of all, adding teams like ND (even if just partially adding them in football) can help us leverage a better TV deal. That will keep the current conference members happy. Also, increasing the league exit fee from $20 million to $50 million helps us lock the doors, too. We’ve cemented our conference for years to come (probably).

    Secondly, if and when ND joins a conference in football, who will they join? We’ve put ourselves in the enviable position of being that conference. That day is not here yet, but in the last year, I’ve seen pundits thinking out loud that that day is coming. Well, when that day arrives, we already have our date to the dance.

    ND’s TV contract with NBC expires in 2015. That is not long. It gives us some time to settle on a 16th team to come in with ND.

    I like this. I think having ND for five “conference games” a year is better than nothing. I’m OK with it as long as they’re not eligible for our conference championship or our Orange Bowl berth.

    I think we’ve put ourselves in a good position with this move.

  24. Avid109 09/12/2012 at 4:32 PM #

    This tells me that the ACC has something else in the works. If it becomes a 16-member conference and splits into four 4-team pods, that could easily allow ND to transition in as a full football member at that point. At that time, the TV deals would be rewritten, too.

  25. TruthBKnown Returns 09/12/2012 at 4:37 PM #

    I remember not so long ago, people thought the ACC was about to dissolve. We were afraid Duke and UNC would both go to the Big-Ten, or the SEC. And we’d be left in the dark, in a lame-duck conference, or as an independent. State fans were wanting us to jump ship to the SEC to avoid being left out.

    I would have liked going to the SEC, but the point is that now we have little or no fear of the conference dissolving. The increased ACC exit fee is maybe the best part of this deal. Like I read somewhere else, we pretty much just locked the doors from the outside. Who is likely to leave NOW?

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