Bob Orr, Colossal Jackass

The UNC football program’s public, clownish implosion has provided us with so much sweet, sweet schadenfruede that it has its own SFN category. Neat, huh? It’s almost to the point that nothing can possibly surprise me anymore. And I only say “almost” because of the surreal idiocy and chutzpah spewed by former NC Supreme Court Justice Bob Orr this morning. No, I can’t possibly excerpt it. Read the whole arrogant, stupid, obnoxious thing.

In a state whose politicos of note include Mike Easley, Jim Black, Lauch Faircloth, and “Johnny” Edwards – it takes a lot to stand out as a moron of questionable character. But congratulations, Bob Orr – you’ve done it. In one arrangement of paragraphs (I hesitate to even call it a column), he manages to absolve a blatant cheater of a player, cheater of a coach, and cheater of an athletic program from so much as a scintilla of personal responsibility. It’s apparently not McAdoo’s fault that a non-retarded GROWN MAN would turn in a paper that he cut and pasted from old books and the internet (and still needed the “above and beyond” tutor to do the bibliography for him). Pssst, hey Bob – my daughters did their own bibliographies for a school project last year. In fourth f-cking grade. They also know that they can’t cut and paste Wikipedia articles and pass it off as their own work. Imagine that!

It’s also not Butch Davis’ fault. UNC begged him to take their job. The man is a veritable modern-day Mother Theresa! But no, just because he strove to provide his masters with a winning football program (15-17 in ACC play before several sure-to-be-vacated wins are subtracted – oopsie-daisy)…he suffers on the cross for the sins of the modern college athletics world. Poor, poor Butch. I’m sure it’s no comfort whatsoever that he netted over two and a half million in hush money (about triple what Jim Tressel got), with absolutely no requirement to cooperate with the NCAA investigation (as Tressel must do). He suffers for our sins, brothers.

Oh, and it’s not UNC’s fault, either. Why? Well, because it’s just not, damn it. Bob Orr says so!! I suppose he has fellow worthless sack of monkey shit Bill (“Can’t we all just link arms and move on”) Friday lined up tomorrow to talk about how the UNC scandal reflects a broken set of priorities for everyone…despite the fact that countless other programs (such as…you know…Tom O’Brien at NC State) actually eschew shortcuts and impose real, honest-to-God discipline when rules are broken. I sleep pretty well at night knowing that none of our wins will be vacated. Not that the likes of Orr and Friday won’t probably try some stunt like demanding that all UNC system institutions vacate wins in order to show solidarity for their “brothers” in the broken landscape of major college athletics.

It saddens me to admit that I voted for Bob Orr, multiple times. I’m every bit as ashamed of that as I am that I sported a John Edwards bumper sticker in 1998 (thankfully, I moved to Virginia that September and couldn’t vote for him). But at least I own up to those mistakes, and figured “Johnny’s” phony act out by the time he ran for President. I can only hope I have a similar chance at redemption, and can vote against Bob Orr someday. Although he probably enjoys the perks associated with being one of UNC football’s most prominent “Flat Earthers” too much.

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1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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53 Responses to Bob Orr, Colossal Jackass

  1. UnclePen 08/02/2011 at 8:00 AM #

    YOU had a John Edwards sticker on your car? What else do you have to tell us? 🙂

  2. Sweet jumper 08/02/2011 at 8:06 AM #

    I attended a forum of candidates for governor several years ago, and Bob Orr was the most impressive, fair-minded candidate. What the hell happened??!! I guess he looks at the world through blue-colored glasses.

  3. GAWolf 08/02/2011 at 8:11 AM #

    Tell it all, brother, tell it all!

  4. TOBtime 08/02/2011 at 8:21 AM #

    It just goes to show the depths they will sink to in order to cover for their own. NO STAIN shall appear on the white tower of righteousness and virtue. Yeah, I just bet he was fair-minded- as long as nothing casts shadow on the delusional dream-fantasy that exists for some supporters of the hole.

  5. zwolf 08/02/2011 at 8:35 AM #

    Your link doesn’t work, but it sounds like this is the story you are complaining about:

    I’m not sure I read him as saying it isn’t UNC’s fault. He’s saying UNC hired Davis to cheat, and Davis recruited McAdoo to cheat, and they’re all a bunch of sneaky cheaters who can’t claim to be anything else.

  6. highstick 08/02/2011 at 8:35 AM #

    As Rosannadanadana would have said, “it just goes to show you” how slick a politician can be when he’s telling you lies, Sweetjumper!!

  7. IamGumbyDammit 08/02/2011 at 8:39 AM #

    To say Bob Orr is a douche bag would be desparaging to douche bags.

  8. PackMan97 08/02/2011 at 8:43 AM #

    Preach it, BJD95. I backed Orr in his most recent bid for Gov. I can’t believe I fell for such a tool. Oh well, it’s always nice one an idiot is exposed.

  9. GAWolf 08/02/2011 at 8:47 AM #

    zWolf: that’s the most logical conclusion looking at the facts of this entire escapade; however, I must say that I chuckled reading this opinion piece in every single paragraph. The facts refute almost every position he makes. The most historical and hysterical thing about this is that while UNC was cheating and getting away with it the party line was that they were above having to cheat to win ala the fiction that was “The Carolina Way,” and now that they are busted the party line is that cheating is part of the game and the game is broken.

    Undoubtedly there are rule-abiding coaches and staffs all over the country that resent the shit out of this idiotic stance.

    Most importantly this is akin to an affirmative defense. It onl comes into play beginning with an admission. In this case the admission is that Butch’s program, at the vert least, was rotten to the core.

  10. wolfmountain 08/02/2011 at 8:53 AM #

    “”If a student’s overall record in general is such that there is a special talent that’s A BIT UNIQUE, that can be one of the factors that we take into consideration,” Polk said.”

    This is a tacit admission that athletes go to UNC that have no business being there. And yet somehow, they all get sparkling grades in the classroom.
    That is, they are not academically qualified to be there – they do a lot more outside activity than the average student – but ALL of the athletes at UNC manage to keep a sterling GPA?


  11. GAWolf 08/02/2011 at 8:55 AM #

    It cannot be lost here that Orr, as an advocate for Ramsay, is doing hia job in pushing this stance regardless of how much the rest of us disagree with it. It’s the use of his political position to reach through the media that he must realize raises this sort of ire from the public. He’s thrusting himself into the sphere of this public debate by going to the media to discuss a representation that is long over (Ramsey).

    To the contrary, 30 years ago when it was our head in the guillotine, all the UNC talking heads lined up t publicly cut the rope. Our sins were a fraction f what has already been proven the Heels have been regularly engaged in.

    Swahili, for instance, is a class that every basketball player takes per a quote from ne of their own regarding the dismissal of Will Graves. I think the quote from a fellow player wAs that Graves was the first player ever to fail Swahili. It doesn’t take a lawyer, much less a justice from the state’s highest court, to connect those dots does it?

  12. wolfmountain 08/02/2011 at 8:56 AM #

    Let me just add….

    “”If a student’s overall record in general is such that there is a special talent that’s A BIT UNIQUE, that can be one of the factors that we take into consideration,” Polk said.”


    A thing is either unique or it is not unique. There is no such thing as degrees of uniqueness.

    This is coming from the great liberal arts university? The public ivy?

    Every time they open their mouths they expose themselves for the fraud that they are.

  13. Wolfsrudel 08/02/2011 at 8:58 AM #

    They are who we thought they were! – Dennis Green

  14. GAWolf 08/02/2011 at 9:01 AM #

    Its also interesting to see that McAdoo’s attorney is pushing forward with the lawsuit. Uh oh, Astro. We’ve hardly seen the end of this disaster. They’ll salt their own earth bickering a,ong themselves before its all said and done. All we have to do is sit back and chronicle it so that our kid’s kids never have to hear their 5th grade classmate who has a name ending in a roman numeral yap about how UNC is somehow superior to any other institution of higher learning in our great State. For generations to come the good, hard working Pack fans of the world will have the intellectual ammo to combat the ridiculous garbage we’ve heard for decades.

    This racket is uncovered, and the entire scenario is so much bigger than Butch, Baddour, Orr, or any of the student athletes and tutors involved.

    Orr is right about one thing….the kids were pawns in the larger problem. Unfortunately the problem starts and stops with the arrogance that is UNC.

  15. Lock 08/02/2011 at 9:05 AM #

    Not quite sure where the ‘colossal jackass’ part comes in…sure, it’s ludicrus to say ‘it’s not the players fault, it’s not his fault he’s too stupid to deal with UNC academics.’ It’s ludicrus to say ‘the coach did his job, after that the players aren’t his responsibility.’ But there is a point too. He misses by seeming to imply that fault lies, if not solely, then mainly on those who put Davis in the HC position. What he should say is that fault INCLUDES these people.

    SFN, seriously guys, you’re known for hyperbole as it is. It…it’s not something to be proud of.

    (Also, seriously, f-cking? Either type the word or don’t. I suspect even those 4-grade girls you’re so proud of know exactly what letter is missing there.)

  16. skitchwolf 08/02/2011 at 9:07 AM #

    I think zwolf is on to it. I’m not sure that I agree with Mr. Orr’s conclusions in all cases – I DO believe that the head coach has an obligation to contribute to the success of the players as students. However, I think McAdoo might have been mislead about what was expected of him. Giving him the benefit of the doubt – perhaps, he actually thought that he would be given sufficient support (of the right kind) to get him through UNC – instead he got just enough bad help to help him fake it – almost. All schools (I think) have to do some of the first type of help with academically-marginal students – nothing wrong with that. It’s the second arrangement that stinks.

  17. GAWolf 08/02/2011 at 9:20 AM #

    Unique talents is a comical statement. I cannot wait to see them pull forward the World Youth Juice Harp Champion that they let in with questionable academics and placed him in Swahili and surrounded him with tutors to make sure he could stay on campus.

    Lets face it, this sort of thing does indeed happen at other Universities. But there if the kid cannot even cut it given the assistance he’s out. They don’t pass him just to keep him eligible. I’ve heard horror stories that this happens at high schools all over the South and young people graduate without being able to speak proper English. Wait. Oh. Heavens.

    He’s got an argument for a culture with ridiculously mismanaged priorities. However, where was this talk when unc was skating by unchecked? That, to me, is the problem here. This circling of the wagons is transparent to the self-serving attitude that got then inti this mess to begin with.

    Thorp, so far, seems to be the only guy willing to man up and say, “We’re sorry. We made some mistakes.”

  18. AirWolf 08/02/2011 at 9:22 AM #

    I guess, in Bobby’s opinion, all of this “buck” must stop at Holden’s desk. Thorp made Butch cheat, MacAdon’t cheat, Blake cheat, and he probably went black ops and stole the papers from the Student “Honor” Court. If you shaved Orr’s head, you’ll probably find “Summers Eve” tatooed there.

  19. howlie 08/02/2011 at 9:28 AM #

    On the back of every lie is a little bit of truth.

    Truth is, over half the Carolina players can’t read at 4th grade level. Of course, it’s not the academician’s fault they got caught in bed with illegal tutors in ONE exposed “Honor” Court hush scheme to help players cheat. The truth is, the academicians know these foam-brains performers should never have been admitted.
    And they know the Chancellor is firmly behind the ruse. And none of them care as long as they can get tickets to on-campus sports entertainment & dance with the powder blew stahs….

  20. StateFans 08/02/2011 at 9:46 AM #

    “”If a student’s overall record in general is such that there is a special talent that’s A BIT UNIQUE, that can be one of the factors that we take into consideration,” Polk said.”


    Just imagine NC State’s administration trying to serve that up 20 years ago? Could you imagine the heads that would roll?

  21. wolfpacktexx 08/02/2011 at 9:54 AM #

    The Butch Davis 15-17 ACC record also includes their annual win over the lowly Dukies… Take away the annual UNC wins over duke (Butch posting a 4-0 record against Duke and the Duke’s self proclaim football guru Cutcliffe) UNC record would be 11- 17 – Is that an impressive record for Saint Davis?

    I saw the grade distributions for the “African Studies department” for the Fall 2010, lets just say the bell curve is skewed in a preverse way. The top six classes for that major had given Zero D or F’s (None, nata, zero). I cant imagine a legitimate department that gave no D’s or F’s. Please note the basketball team has a majority majoring in “African Studies”. With this grade distribution it is clear UNC is just printing paper (degrees) for their athletes. Mc Adoo and Booby Orr should be proud. You will not see Thorp looking into this because there is the danger of implicating the basket ball team . Heaven forbid..,

  22. BJD95 08/02/2011 at 9:55 AM #

    Back to personal responsibility – Valvano ADMITTED that Chris Washburn didn’t belong in the university setting, and regretted bringing him into his program.

    Per Bob Orr, the fingers should only point at those daring to so much as tepidly take baby steps towards cleaning up their mess. Which is the same tack (from a different angle) that Lurch and his fellow lemmings are taking.

    Yeah, I know he made the bed in which he is now lying – but I really am starting to feel sorry for Holden Thorp.

  23. runwiththepack 08/02/2011 at 9:58 AM #

    ____________ (insert jackass here – Orr, Davis, Bad-doer, McAdoo, etc…. ) IS ONLY THE SYMPTOM, NOT THE DISEASE AT UNC. Alpha Wolf hit the nail on the head a couple weeks ago.

    There is little need to decide who is to blame for the mess in Chapel Hill. This BS is institutionalized in Chapel Hill, and now the whole country is starting to see what ABC-ers have known all along. Why has nobody taken a look all these years?

    That’s another story in itself. But I’m guessing that the best answer to that question is that if something is repeated enough, it “becomes the truth”. Carolina Way, “public ivy”, “squeeky clean”, “most beautiful campus in the country”, “flagship”, “THE Pines”, “Blue Heaven”, “Mecca”, …. (excuse me, I’m getting nauseated. I’ll be right back).

    (OK. I’m back now. I feel better. Where was I? Oh….)

    I will be VERY disappointed if the only result of all this mess is that the football team gets a spanking by the NCAA. What I really hope for is an expose of UNC in general.

    Maybe UNC will start conducting itself more like a public institution instead of a private clique of the entitled.

  24. ncsu1987 08/02/2011 at 9:59 AM #

    BJD: Agree – feel a little sorry for him. Thorp made a conscious decision to toe the line until he had a supportive BOT. Now that he has it, he’s making better decisions. The problem is, the program is so rife with corruption that he’s still in the “minimize and obfuscate” mode. He needs to take a peek at his moral compass and go where it’s pointing. It will mean bumping chests with some scary PTB, but it’s the right thing to do. Is he man enough to do it?

  25. wolfmountain 08/02/2011 at 10:06 AM #

    I have to say, this “the universities take advantage of the poor, poor college athletes” garbage gets tiring.

    I would have loved to have had a free ride through school. I would have gladly put in the time and effort to get the free education, the free books and supplies, the free housing, the free food, the free tutoring – not to mention all the little perks.

    Give me a break.

    If the kids and their parents think they are being taken advantage of – they are completely free to send their kid to school as a regular student. Or to just skip all of that and go straight to Circus Burger.

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