Lowe’s NC State: The Best Squad with the Worst Team

I have been making this observation for a while, but just recently decided it was appropriate to publically hash out. For some time I have been convinced that NC State is actually a much better ball club than what it appears to be. As a baseline, I am going to compare NC State to rivals UNC and DUKE.

Sidenote: the definition of synergy is getting a collection of individuals and putting them together so that what they can accomplish, as a unit, is greater than the sum of their parts.  In other words, by gathering 1 and 1 and 1 and 1 together, rather than it being 4, it becomes 6 because there is synergy increasing the work between the individuals.  Just hang onto that definition until the end of this article.

Generally, what I see when NC State attacks the rim is a drive towards the basket, then a stall.  Luckily, NC State has been able to utilize big men like Leslie and Howell on the inside to avoid embarrassments against powder-puff opponents like Wake Forest (God bless ‘em, they’re trying… I think).  Unfortunately, it takes more than a couple big players to dominate the inside of the rim and fight for baskets.  The only time we shoot from the field is if there is an open shot due to the opponents lining up poorly, or if the ball hasn’t gone under the basket yet.  So what is the apparent problem with NC State?  Simple: we don’t look for opportunities, we force them.

Case-in-point, look at our team statistics on assists.  Our guards, Brown, Harrow, and Gonzalez, are averaging 3.2, 3.5, and 2.0 assists per game (APG), respectively.  Note that Brown and Harrow both have over 3.0 APG while Javi is coming in right at 2.0 APG. Carolina’s guards, Drew, Marshall, and Strickland, are averaging 4.6, 3.6, and 1.7 APG respectively. Marshall and Strickland both average much better on assists than Brown and Harrow, but their points per game (PPG) are significantly lower than NC State’s top two guards.  In total, Harrow and Brown are scoring around 20 PPG while Carolina’s equivalent two guards are scoring barely above 8.5 PPG.  Conclusion?  Our guards are very talented, but we aren’t getting the ball around enough.  Guards have to be able to feed shots and teammates have to run routes that create opportunities.  What we see in Carolina is that they have been able to use their guards to not just knock off shots, but move the ball to where it is needed and create the opportunity when necessary. This kind of team mentality can only be accomplished by a competant off-court coach that instills a concept of synergy amongst his players so that they can accomplish more than what their individual parts add up to.

What I am trying to statistically show is that NC State runs a type of ball game that relies on the sheer talent of the players on our squad rather than sound fundamental team-play.  So, is this even necessarily a problem?  In theory, this system would work if your squad had overwhelming talent, and I would suggest that NC State is starting to get to that point with respect to talent, alone.  Well, that is where I wanted to bring DUKE into this equation (mainly because we can all agree DUKE is an incredibly scary team).  DUKE’s top two guards, Smith and Irving, are averaging 5.6 and 5.1 APG respectively.  That’s just scary-good.  So, if it’s just the “style” we play, I would assume to see a similar effect with Duke’s guard statistics: high assists, but low PPG.  Smith and Irving average 37.4 PPG, combined.  Wow.  So excluding the fact that DUKE’s talent alone raises the expectations for PPG on guards, what would explain their guard’s high level of assists and high scoring games?  Simple: DUKE creates synergies between their guards and the rest of the team. Coach K has created a team atmosphere where players understand that they are to make opportunities happen, but also acknowledge when the opportunity is no longer there.  This allows their team to take smarter shots, which leads to less missed shots, which leads to more PPG.  That’s how synergy between players works.  That’s how teams are built.

So here is what I’m suggesting: our players are not bad players.  Their numbers are impressive and comparable to others in the top of the conference (not just rivals UNC and DUKE).  Execution on a player level is not necessarily the biggest problem. The problem is that there is a noticeable lack in fundamental team play at NC State and a glaring lack of synergies between guard-play and the rest of the team.  NC State resembles a group of And 1 players that refuse to give up on a drive even if its hopeless.  If you have any doubts of this, then just watch this weekend’s game against UNC.  I would be willing to promise that what we will see is an NC State team that either moves the ball around the perimeter and takes a jumper or rushes to the rim without ever considering kicking the ball back out for an open shot.  No communication.  No synergy.  No team.

This is Lowe’s NC State.  We have the talent.  We have the tradition.  We have the fan support.  We have the unversity support.  We have the money and we have the facilities.  We have the hype and the motivated players we need, eager for blood.  We we do not have is a team.  NC State: the best squad of players with the worst team.

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55 Responses to Lowe’s NC State: The Best Squad with the Worst Team

  1. Lock 01/26/2011 at 10:06 AM #

    Well-written, well-thought. This has been a hallmark, unfortunately, of Lowe’s teams. Let’s thank Lowe for bringing our program up to attractive-job status, and sing his glories for the ’83 miracle, and let’s do what’s best for both parties as soon as possible.

  2. BJD95 01/26/2011 at 10:09 AM #

    I feel bad that I haven’t done more “fine toothed comb” analysis this season, but Pride did it much better than I could, anyway. The Cliffs Notes version is that this is the Hickson team all over again, without the extracurricular activities (at least that I know of).

  3. skitchwolf 01/26/2011 at 10:37 AM #

    As much as I like Sidney for his dedication to State both as a student and a coach, I think we are seeing what he knows how to do: coach a pro-style game. This is why I don’t even think about watching the NBA. It’s all about making room for spectacular one-on-one basketball in a team setting. It’s all about creating highlights and showcasing individuals (for obvious marketing/money reasons) so that those individuals can be “Stars” that the NBA can use to generate revenue. I mean, who wants a “Fathead” of 15 guys standing around for a team photo on their wall? College basketball is about the pride of the institution (even though there is a LOT of money that goes with that) – the NBA is about the MONEY – PERIOD. I’m afraid that a lifetime of coaching in the NBA has not equipped Sidney to create the team-based synergies that are the hallmark for a great college basketball team. Mind you, I would love to be proved wrong – but I’m afraid I won’t be.

  4. 8pack 01/26/2011 at 10:55 AM #

    This synergy that you speak of is the result of a team’s SYSTEM. We do not have a system. Offensively, Sid takes an ad hoc approach. Hence the need for him to whistle and call a set on what seems nearly every possession. Without a system, there is no free flow to the offense. The set either works or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t, there is breakdown, followed by either a low percentage shot or low percentage drive to the basket. This can also give the sometimes misleading impression of selfish play, laziness, and bad rebounding position. While these elements have, and do, exist under Lowe, they may not be as prevalent as it seems. I really believe that our offensive structure sets the kids up to fail, and, look bad doing it. Simply put…No system, no synergy.

  5. 44fan 01/26/2011 at 10:55 AM #

    GREAT ARTICLE….What I see when I watch State play is explained in your article, the best I have heard or read yet….GREAT JOB!!!!!

  6. tractor57 01/26/2011 at 10:58 AM #

    In my opinion it is time for a change.
    I respect what Lowe has done for the school in taking the head coaching position after an abomination of a coaching search (thanks Fouler) and what he has done to raise the program but it is time to accept what he can go and what he can’t.

    Time has been allowed and the results aren’t there in wins and losses (or even on court performance).

    Time for a change – after the season.

  7. kyjelly 01/26/2011 at 11:05 AM #

    Never a big fan of Sid as a coach as a person and player yes ! i felt he should have been gone 3 yrs ago . There was never a system an offense a plan his so called best 2 recruits were JJ and CJL who would never fit in with other players on this level. On top of this the ACC has been brutal these [past 3 years and we are still at the bottom! Lets move on!

  8. TheCOWDOG 01/26/2011 at 11:34 AM #

    What’s particularly frustrating is watching those moments of kinetics when ‘Pride’s SYNERGY is present (ie; 12 minutes last night )begins to disapate. Because with a State team, there is a reduntant theme that demonstrates the total lack of a system to recapture energy that has been lost.

  9. NCStatePride 01/26/2011 at 11:39 AM #

    Towards the end of the season, this article may need to be bumped again. I’m getting an unslaught of good feedback and I haven’t even gone home to see what my Facebook and e-mail look like.

  10. rtpack24 01/26/2011 at 11:44 AM #

    Remember we were going to run this year. Last night one fast break when Brown took off on his own. There is not a guard in the league that can stay in front of Harrow yet we have him walk the ball up court. Things do not look good. Maybe they will turn it around Sat.

  11. 61Packer 01/26/2011 at 12:00 PM #

    What we have at NC State is a coach who probably knew from day one he couldn’t coach at the ACC level, but was willing to try. Many State fans were willing to accept his playing days and the ’83 title as reasons to give him a shot.

    After two seasons, it was apparent Lowe was in over his head, but instead of putting his alma mater first and admitting it wasn’t working, three seasons later he blindly soldiers on, throwing his players under the bus as things have continued to get worse. Not once have I heard him accept the blame for anything. If I’m wrong here, I’m sure somebody will correct me pronto.

    Last night’s disaster was our 6th loss in 7 games vs Clemson. We’ve lost 8 in a row to UNC and haven’t even faced them yet, plus we still have road games at Duke, Maryland and UVA.

    Despite taking State basketball to Les Robinson depths, Lowe isn’t going to quit trying to save his alma mater, no matter how much worse it might get. I believe deep down he’s given up, and I’m sure some of his players already have. I don’t think Lowe is man enough to step aside.

    NCSU officials have got to quit trying to save the patient, so to speak, and instead try to salvage the program. I can deal with an ugly team, but not an ugly team that plays stupid and usually quits. This is what I see when I look at NCSU basketball.

    I dread Saturday.

  12. Plz2BStateFan 01/26/2011 at 12:10 PM #

    Lowe can recruit. Thats it.

    He hasnt shown an ability to make players work really hard.

    He hasnt been able to simply sit down and let the players get in a groove.

    He hasnt shown an ability to direct hs players during timeouts without spending half the time talking to the assistant coaches.

    Bottom line. He is an NBA coach. Not a college coach that is required to motivate young kids and develop their skills at a more fundamental level. Especially on defense.

    It doesnt matter if he is trying to do these things, it is not getting across to the players that need is and executed on the court.

  13. NCStatePride 01/26/2011 at 12:28 PM #

    I think you have to get Lowe a little more credit. I do think the players are getting better at the type of “stove pipe” game play they are running, but that puts NC State at a distinct dissadvantage. As I point out, the fundamental flaw in NC State hoops under Lowe is the lack of synergies. Another way to put that is that when VT takes the court, their synergies make the work on the court represent that of 7 players rather than 5. When NC State plays 5 kids, the work on the court represents the work of 5 kids. This is true of every game this season and is why we lose against good opponents and beat the snot out of those other inferior teams also lacking in synergies.

    About the ONLY way this could be successful is if Lowe figure some defensive scheme where he can FORCE his opponents to play as players, not as a team. Man-on-man match-ups and pressing harder than a fat chick in an arm chair. MAYBE that would get NC State to consistently being 4th or 3rd in the ACC and making the NCAAT more regularly. I think that would be about the peak of this style of ball.

  14. phillypacker 01/26/2011 at 12:28 PM #

    Pride,

    This is such a well done piece. Very impressive. I have to confess that I have found a number of your posts exasperating. I had even thought of offering you money not to post.

    Thank you so much for doing such excellent, thorough, concise, well-conceived work.

    NCStatePride: I’ll still take your money…

  15. Gowolves 01/26/2011 at 12:39 PM #

    What I don’t get is the comment that he was an NBA coach. Yes he held that title but at the same time his record in the NBA is horrible. He coached expansion teams in some cases so it can be explained to an extent. The reallity is he cannot coach. I blame Lee Fowler as I am sure others do on this site. He was set up to fail.

  16. GApack04 01/26/2011 at 12:49 PM #

    Great job Pride,

    Like philly said before I don’t always see eye to eye with your posts and comments, but this one is spot on. Keep up the good work.

  17. bradleyb123 01/26/2011 at 1:04 PM #

    “NCStatePride: I’ll still take your money…”

    LOL, I’m sure you would.

    For this article, you SHOULD. It’s very well written, and spot-on. Anyone who reads this article, and then watches State play, will surely agree. You can see this in action every time we play.

  18. bradleyb123 01/26/2011 at 1:23 PM #
  19. nycfan 01/26/2011 at 1:52 PM #

    Pride wrote “So what is the apparent problem with NC State? Simple: we don’t look for opportunities, we force them.”

    I’ll quibble with that a little, I would say that State LOOKS for opportunities and can go on nice little runs when the opportunity presents itself, but State doesn’t CREATE opportunities. If the opposition doesn’t present an opportunity with its own mistakes, State doesn’t ever seem prepared or able to run screens and sets to create opportutnies. There are some consistent screens for threes point shots for Wood, but even that consists mostly of Wood running his man off screens cutting through the lane, not players coming out to set him up.

    That said I agree that State tends to be a collection of kids each working solo in his position rather than as a team. This manifests itself on defense a lot, as well. CJ Leslie, in particular, looks like he would rather touch a hot stove than play help defense, but maybe he has no concept of how to help out in the post?

    And it also appears to me that Tracy Smith is not the only Pack player not in game shape (though he is playing his way into game shape); all the big men seem to get gassed by early in the second half and lose a step (or more) plus a certain level of concentration as a result.

    Nonetheless, I expect State to come out SMOKING against UNC and make a half or game of it, if not pull the upset outright. I suspect this game has been circled on their calendars for a while and that Lowe will have devised a particular strategy for this match-up … which I don’t get the impression he does for every game.

  20. EdMar 01/26/2011 at 1:56 PM #

    Please! No more references about Sid being a NBA coach. He had 79 wins and 228 loses. Lets just stay with the “great player at State” and “he loves NCSU”

    Bottom line is that cannot coach.

  21. kyjelly 01/26/2011 at 2:02 PM #

    Not sure if you can really say Sid can recruit. His two best players were JJ and CJL both never fit in did they? Part of recruiting is getting players that will fit in not one’s who will hold the program hostage.

    NCStatePride: The fact that they came to State shows he can recruit. The whole point of the article is that they have no vehicle to bring their talents to fruition and translate their skill into points. Lowe has created a system where players must perform without a supporting case. Give credit where it is due: Lowe can recruit. Recruiting is not why NC State is still losing.

  22. bigbel27 01/26/2011 at 2:08 PM #

    CJL is worried about himself, last 2 games not starting, so he comes in and feels he has to get his shots and you didn’t see that prior to coming off the bench, he stayed within the offense.

  23. boonami 01/26/2011 at 2:10 PM #

    ^^I think when folks make reference Sid being an NBA Coach it’s more of the style of play he tries to run. 1 on 1, no D, etc. One thing that really bothers me is that Sid referred to his players pouting after missing a shot or arguing after a refs call; that’s coaching. We are through 20 games and players are still doing that? Also we have no leadership on the court. I see nobody but Scott Wood being vocal out there.

  24. JeremyH 01/26/2011 at 2:13 PM #

    You know, 8pack is right, there is no system. And the fact that we are identifying that before he was able to identify and address it himself (read a book, go to coach camp, whatever) is really telling.

    That comment “Fowler, the gift that keeps on giving” rings very truly now. Fowler was so bad at his job, that we are discovering how bad a job he did well after his dismissal. Now, I don’t know what kind of AD Mrs. Yow is, but it appears she is someone that is direct and competitive. At the least I can say that I have confidence in what she projects, and for that I think its OK to be hopeful.

  25. boonami 01/26/2011 at 2:13 PM #

    ncstatepride:… Do we a have any idea what a short list of possible replacements would be? I’m sure Yow has a short list in hand unlike her predecessor jed.

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