Thoughts from the Badger State

Whenever we have a game, I try and seek out the views and opinions of those from the opponents area.

Today, we will look at Swingtown Badger Basketball Blog and The Badger Herald.

From Swingtown:

I don’t think a home game could have come at a better time. The Badgers couldn’t hit the broad side of the barn in Orlando, especially from deep…  NC State used to be a lot like Wisconsin with Herb Sendek at the helm. But he was chased away to ASU because their fanbase seemingly values high tempo over success… But they are signing 4- and 5-star recruits now, so I guess they can lose in style.

The Herald:

Despite their youthfulness, UW head coach Bo Ryan acknowledged the team’s athleticism and natural talent, saying they “can beat anyone in the country.”

But when it comes to anticipating NC State’s game plan, Ryan, whose teams have always been able to slow down the pace of their opponent, expects nothing less from the Wolfpack than another attempt at running the Badgers up and down the court.

“They’ll do that. Anybody that sees our team salivates. You know, if Pavlov rang a bell…” Ryan said. “People have been trying to run it down our throats for 10 years, it’s our job to stop them.”

Slowing down the opposing offense is somewhat of a trademark for UW, which has finished in the NCAA’s top 10 in points allowed in each of the last four years. So far this year, the Badger ‘D” has remained as dependable as ever, allowing an average of 54 points per game, right on cue with years past.

Only one team thus far has scored more than 60 points on UW, and Badger opponents have been held to shooting an average of just .387 and .351 this season.

On the other side of the court, the Badgers have struggled to consistently shoot the ball well over their last three games in the Old Spice Classic. In all first halves, UW connected on just .318 of all shots while coming back in the second to hit .509 of all attempts.

Other than poor shooting, UW’s two losses so far this season don’t have much else in common. Against UNLV, Wisconsin won the rebound fight and took full advantage of second chance points, but it was costly turnovers late in the game that made the difference.

Against Notre Dame, Wisconsin committed just four turnovers but lost the rebound fight and failed to get to the free throw line.

Tonight will be a battle of wills, the will to impose one style over another. The thing is, I don’t see it being that much of a factor unless we REALLY run the floor. Fortunately, we do have the ability to run an effective half-court offense, and we all know Wisconsin can run. This is a really tough game to quantify, which means we could easily get blown out or pull the upset. One thing is certain, this is an exceptional opportunity for NCSU to take the next step. But if we lose tonight, we still have some marquee games remaining in December to nullify a loss to the Badgers.

In absolutely unrelated news, came across this (not sure if anyone is talking about it on the forums): In short, despite what we heard from Gruden’s camp earlier this week, athletic director Kirby Hocutt will travel to Tampa Wednesday and meet with Gruden to gauge his interest in the position.

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114 Responses to Thoughts from the Badger State

  1. Manu Ginobili 12/01/2010 at 11:04 PM #

    How long until football season? Seriously, we had a couple of WTF loses this year in FB, but at least we were in EVERY game until our last possession. Well, not in the Maryland game, but we should have. Today’s effort and play was just embarrassing. You can say whatever you want about TOB, but the guy is a coach. Lowe is a good recruiter (not great, he had a couple of WTF classes), loves the Pack, and probably has a lot of good intentions, but considering what we saw in the first 6 games, it looks like we didn’t have an off-season to speak of. He’s just not a coach. An assistant coach maybe, but not a program builder.

  2. chriscgray 12/01/2010 at 11:04 PM #

    Look, the fact of the matter is we shouldn’t be suprised to be blownout. It is just part of learning and growing as a young team. This is what I have to say positive about our team right now.

    I usually don’t give coach’s or players advice, because quite frankly they are all more qualified than me and most any of us on this blog. However I have a few choice things that should be taken to heart by all of our basketball program.

    1. We are playing as individuals, not as a team. Especially certain players who think they can go one on one all night. The right mentality and attitude is key for us to have any success. (I can’t say all of us are there yet.) Sidney its your responsibility to only play those players that have this in heart when they play.

    2. Do the fundemental things first. We all love the flashy plays as coaches, players, and fans. But at the end of the day they will only but overshawdowed by our incompetence to play the game fundementally and sound (Rebounding, getting back on defense, looking for good shots (not just your own good shots, but the team’s), and ect. We will always have shortfalls like this until we are fundemental.

    3. Do not think “you” are above anyone. If you are on this team, you should be held responsible as much as any one person, no finger pointing because everyone is as guilty as the next.

    4. For crying out loud play for the team, not your own stats. Im tired of that selfish immaturity. Lets go ahead and grow up and man up. Do the tough things first as a team and the individual successes will take care of their self.

  3. fmack 12/01/2010 at 11:27 PM #

    We have to start playing tough hard-nosed basketball or we will get beat every time.
    Sid can not afford to have his guys play soft ball. It does not work. We are becoming the poster child for basketball abuse.
    We need to smack people back that smack us. Enough of this mister nice-guy stuff. Put people in the rim and shake hands after the game. We have to be physical. We have to become beasts on the court and apologize later if needed.
    We’re getting passed around for cigarettes like we’re in prison. We better learn to play tough hard-nosed ball or everybody will punk us. I mean our bigs don’t evey dunk unless there is no one around them. They need to learn to dunk on, over and around people. This stinks.
    They pulled the teeth out of all the wolves in the pack.

  4. BJD95 12/01/2010 at 11:36 PM #

    If I ever needed a reminder that we have bigger fish to fry than TOB’s relatively minor coaching flaws…Sidney Lowe just provided it.

    He also said in the postgame that the problem was toughness, and that you can’t coach that. Seriously.

    I guess he thinks we should just fire the GM. I’m ok with that!

  5. Sheriff Branford 12/01/2010 at 11:44 PM #

    Sids fish is fried. This is not a tourny team and he will be fired. The question is can DY make a good hire? Look at her track record. Can we point to a good hire she has made in a revenue sport? Friedgen I guess?

  6. chriscgray 12/01/2010 at 11:44 PM #

    We don’t need this street ball crap. Start the scout team against Syracuse, atleast they will play with fundemental discipline and give 100% for the team and not their own individual stat line. Where is Bobby Knight when you need him.

  7. wolfpack95 12/01/2010 at 11:51 PM #

    Cue the Sidney Lowe farewell tour.
    End this sad experiment in coaching.

  8. mex367 12/01/2010 at 11:59 PM #

    Wisconsin played North Dakota at home a couple of weeks ago.THe Badgers beat us by more than they beat them. Less people live in ND than raleigh. Just sayin

  9. codebrown 12/02/2010 at 12:05 AM #

    Fire Herb!

  10. wufpup76 12/02/2010 at 1:59 AM #

    “Archer must be coaching the D here tonight. Badgers shooting 55% from field.”

    ^That was funny.

  11. state73 12/02/2010 at 2:49 AM #

    Game was awful, no fundamentals no hustle no passion no defense. Hope AD YOW is doing her research looking for the best coach possible.

  12. state73 12/02/2010 at 2:58 AM #

    Lowe needs to go. no fundamentals, no passion, no defense, no teamwork.

  13. Wulfpack 12/02/2010 at 7:24 AM #

    “You cannot coach toughness.”

    Signed,

    Coach K.

  14. boonami 12/02/2010 at 8:04 AM #

    sad just sad display of basketball. I turned it off when we went down by 35 and tuned in later to watch Duke/MSU. It depressed me even more to see Duke’s star freshman Irving playing like a senior. Folks that coaching compared to watching our garbage. reminds me of watching a PS3 or XBOX game when we play. No D, all one on one. Someone remind Sid that this isn’t NBA Street and to teach some team ball? embarrassing.

  15. blpack 12/02/2010 at 8:31 AM #

    That was embarrassing. I know they shot the lights out, and run a disciplined O and our D is lacking and we don’t rebound well and we’re missing Smith, etc. Blah, blah, blah. We didn’t compete vs. Wisconsin. Bottom line. We are in for a disappointing season if nothing changes. The coaches lost me and it will take a lot to win me back. I hope on the walk over to Syracuse from Madison – no need to come back to Raleigh, just walk in the cold to NY – the players use this as wake up call. That was a woodshed experience last night. Ugh.

  16. PackInsider 12/02/2010 at 8:37 AM #

    Last night pretty much confirmed what I’ve feared to be true for several years now…

    Sidney Lowe just is not going to work out at NC State. He’s a good guy, he won us a National Title as a player, he’s recruited fairly well…but he can’t coach a college basketball team. He’s had moments of decency, but this just ain’t his thing. Lee Fowler did us no favors by handing the reigns over to Sid.

    The time to make a move is likely going to be this year. We’re in good shape with some talent Sidney has brought in. Yow needs to go out and find a proven winner. Carolina will be back and right now, Duke is absolutely rolling…but this is still a great job and we can find a good coach.

  17. Gowolves 12/02/2010 at 8:46 AM #

    I have never seen a team play so poorly. I didn’t think we would win but thought we would make them work for it. The effort was crap at best. That is unacceptable. They do not know how to run an offense. Lowe is depending to heavily on the freshman. Why would he start a string bean(Leslie) on their 6’10” inside guy? That makes no sense to me. You know WI likes to bang bodies. Why not Painter or Howell? This is how the game started. Maybe that match up didn’t continue but just the fact that Lowe started the game like that just furthers my beleif he should be fired.

    61Packer-I have known for a while that he couldn’t coach but thanks for your insightful response

  18. 44fan 12/02/2010 at 8:48 AM #

    Freshman are still playing AAU ball. Trying to make highlight films. We are not even close to being a TEAM. I don’t think Sidney knows how to bring along talent to the college level. This is bad for State, because SOONER or LATER we are going to have to do the “new coach” thing all over again and that always hurts!!!!!….R.I.P. State basketball

  19. pack44fan 12/02/2010 at 8:55 AM #

    Wait till next year!!!! Oh, it is this year already…..

  20. Lock 12/02/2010 at 9:06 AM #

    “But he was chased away to ASU because their fanbase seemingly values high tempo over success… But they are signing 4- and 5-star recruits now, so I guess they can lose in style.”

    There is a reason, a REASON, we keep hearing this. And the fact that this can’t be discussed rationally and maturely (HWSNBN, “I wanna punch someone in the face,” etc.) here just adds fuel to a flame that should have died a long, long time ago.

    I’m still hopeful about this year…but no longer excited. Not because we lost, we knew this was going to happen with such a young team. I definitely did not expect them to be our saviors. But to lose by this much? To be trounced this badly? Something’s not right.

  21. ryebread 12/02/2010 at 9:15 AM #

    Last night reinforced several things that I’d previously thought and had said here:
    1) Our problems and focus shouldn’t be on TOB’s minor shortcomings. We’re never going to win a championship with him, but we’re going to do about as good as we’ve historically done at our peak periods and we’re going to do so on the cheap. I’ll take it.

    2) We’re clearly underachieving in basketball.

    3) SL: Great guy…. Can spot talent… Think he’s decent at in game adjustments (though in this game and GT, we did disappointingly little to try to change things up)… Cannot coach a system…. Cannot prepare a team night in and night out… Cannot coach defense and rebounding — which are the most important things in big time college basketball… Doesn’t have the support staff needed to do these things…

    4) It’s not like this is a one time thing. In case anyone has forgotten, let’s remember our last away game in the ACC/Big 10 challenge. Michigan State absolutely took us to the woodshed. I think we had about 12-18 points at halftime. I watched it with a MSU alum who laughed at me the whole game. I didn’t even both initiating a game watch last night with a friend who is a Wisconsin alum — I knew how this would end before it started.

    5) LF should have been fired on the spot after he trotted out Calipari. The fact that he’d have even considered him showed me just how out of touch with the history of NC State, the history of Calipari and our relationship with the local media that he was. The fact that he either didn’t understand those things or didn’t care about them just cemented to me that he was absolutely the wrong man to be leading that search. He should have been fired on the spot. Then when he went after Beiline, it showed me he was either totally out of touch with the fan base and didn’t understand what his customers wanted or he was so pompous that he thought that he’d show us that he knew better by hiring HWSNBN part 2. I blame him for hiring Sid and putting him and us in this position. I believe that LF thought by hiring a former player, we’d give said player another long leash and he could be safely out of town before things came home to roost. I guess the last laugh was on him when no one would take him (or was that us given we had to pay his sorry @#$ a buy out?). There ought to have been some punitive clauses in his contract where he has to pay the school back for emotional damage and suffering and the cost of SL’s buy out. 😉 🙁

    6) I feel sorry for Sid. He’s one of the great players in our history — one of the very few with their names up in the rafters. He gave up a nice NBA job to try and lead us to the promised land. Along the way he’s seemingly had challenges in his personal life. You can tell the losses kill him. He’s now had his legacy tainted. This isn’t going to end well. He’s clearly our Clyde Drexler.

    7) We shouldn’t hire alums as head coaches in the revenue sports. The revenue sports are big business and you just don’t mix business and family. If it doesn’t work out, it’s much too hard to sever ties.

    As for where we go from here, I think because SL is a legend at our school, we have to give him through the end of the year to fix things. DY should deliver the “NCAA or bust” message to him in private if she hasn’t already and give him one last chance to coach his way out of this mess. There’s enough talent and the ACC is weak enough so that this is a reasonable goal. I personally don’t think he’s got the support staff in place to do it.

    There’s absolutely no way though that Yow should pull the plug mid-season. She already has a rep of being difficult to work for, and to fire a legendary alum who is coaching a young team in the middle of the season would make the job potentially difficult to fill. There does need to be accountability at the end of the year though if basic, minimal goals aren’t met (have I mentioned yet how much LF sucked?).

  22. Par Shooter 12/02/2010 at 9:17 AM #

    Clearly this is Sid’s last year – I think even he would admit that in a moment of candor. There is a 0% chance that he’ll be back next year. The real question is when and how you cut the cord. Do we wait until after our Thur loss at the ACC tourney or are we more proactive? Do we can him during the season and turn the reins over to somebody else on staff as an interim coach? Or perhaps we pull a Bunting and announce that he is gone at year’s end but let him coach out the string. One thing is for certain – I feel more comfortable with Yow making these decisions than I would have “coach” fowler.

    While I think the case could be made for firing him now, that won’t happen. I do think that if this team looks the same at the midway point of the ACC season (0-8) then DY may well pull the trigger and hand things over to Towe for the last 9 losses.

  23. Wufpacker 12/02/2010 at 9:35 AM #

    “There is a reason, a REASON, we keep hearing this. And the fact that this can’t be discussed rationally and maturely (HWSNBN, “I wanna punch someone in the face,” etc.) here just adds fuel to a flame that should have died a long, long time ago.”

    You’re correct, there is a reason we keep hearing this and that reason is that very few so-called college basketball insiders bother to do their homework and actually analyze why Herb wasn’t so popular despite his tremendous success (sarcasm on the “tremendous success”). This has been discussed rationally ad nauseum around here, but for the sake of the short bussers:

    Herb came in and ran a clean program. Good for him. He restored our basketball program from the shambles it was in post-scandal and post-Les. Terrific. He then demonstrated quite convincingly that he had plateaued. I’m not going to go into all of the evidence of that plateau because anyone who still thinks otherwise isn’t going to be convinced now.

    Our fearless leader at the time (Lee “hey, that’s my cougar” Fowler) conducted perhaps the most misguided coaching search and hire that has ever occurred in major college sports. Sidney Lowe rescued him.

    Now, just because results under Sid haven’t been what we’d like DOES NOT mean letting Herb wander off to the desert was the wrong move. Frankly, I don’t care that it might take two shots (or more) at getting the right coach hired (for the record, if and when our HC position opens up I have utmost confidence the DY WILL make the best hire available). I would rather lose while at least TRYING to get better than spend another 10 years on the bubble while knowing full well that IF we make the NCAA tournament, a first weekend tournament loss is inevitable….and it basically was.

    I realize a lot of folks look at the past four years and bitch and moan about letting Herb leave. Most of those folks never knew success before Herb arrived so I can understand that. But middle of the road results is not what we should strive for. There’s nothing inherently wrong with trying to do better than that.

    Sid has just about run his course in the HC position from all indications and I repeat…I have utmost confidence the DY WILL make the best hire available when and if the time comes.

    So, rational or not, all the national media telling us how misguided it was to let Herb walk can take their opinions and blow them out of their collective arse. I rarely respect their opinions on anything else…why would I care about their opinion on this?

  24. JasonP 12/02/2010 at 9:40 AM #

    Already looking forward to ’11-’12 bball season when Lo Brown (if he stays) plays for a real coach.

    Tracy Smith has a huge heart to put up with this mess for as long as he has, and actually IMPROVE as a player under these circumstances. Bravo to you Mr. Smith.

    Losses like this demoralize the players and the fans. The only hope you can have now is that since no one will take us seriously, maybe we can sneak up on a few of them.

  25. Wufpacker 12/02/2010 at 9:53 AM #

    “Losses like this demoralize the players and the fans.”

    Agreed about the fans, but I’m not sure about the players. They looked like deer in the headlights last night and based on their performance I’m not even certain they knew we had a game last night.

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