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117 Responses to State vs Georgetown at 7:30pm on ESPNU

  1. JeremyH 11/22/2010 at 12:29 AM #

    ^they need to be taught when it is not ok to go under the screen.

  2. xphoenix87 11/22/2010 at 12:39 AM #

    I don’t care about the loss, I’m still super-excited about this team. Brown and Harrow are going to be great. Brown is already an incredibly rounded player. I was really impressed by his defense, though he, like everyone else, fell apart a bit in the second half.

    Thoughts:

    Georgetown is really good. I’d be shocked if they aren’t a top 15 team team by year’s end, maybe even top 10. It’s tough to stop big, strong guards who can cut hard and shoot like that.

    Managing CJL is going to be Lowe’s big test. If he plays within himself, he’ll be a massive asset. If he keeps bombing away from 3, he hurts the team. If I were coaching him, I’d tell him that if he shoots from farther away than 15 feet, I’m pulling him. In the game against George Mason, he was deadly catching at the free throw line. Once he caught there, he could just turn and drive, shoot the short jumper, or spin move down the lane. He’s so quick that when he catches in the mid-range area, he’s really hard to stop, and he’s a good passer once defenders collapse on him. He’s most effective catching with a foot in the lane, or when he can grab a rebound and go coast to coast. Whenever he catches out on the perimeter though, he forces things.

    I knew I Lorenzo Brown was good, and I knew he had some ups, but that dunk…wow. I also love how Brown seeks out contact when he finishes at the rim. It’s great to have two guards who can not only penetrate, but can consistently finish around the rim.

    Howell’s stat line surprised me. It seemed like he missed a bunch of chippies, but he shot over 50% for the game. Still, what was he doing launching a 3?

    I like the minute distribution at the guard position. 30ish for Harrow and Brown and 20 for Javi.

    The first half of this game was the best played game of NC State basketball I’ve seen in a long time. Just two good teams playing well and trading punches.

  3. BJD95 11/22/2010 at 12:41 AM #

    An important lesson. People get so excited about rankings, and about “highlight” plays. There were so many clips posted of Harrow and Leslie doing highlight reel stuff.

    Then Lorenzo Brown takes the court. Kid just plays basketball. The right way.

    I don’t mean to lump Harrow’s performance tonight with Leslie’s. He certainly played hard, and well at times. Just not consistent yet.

  4. wolfhouse1999 11/22/2010 at 1:01 AM #

    I was in Charleston for the weekend. GT had alot of problems with Wofford when they went to a 2-3 zone. I wish Sidney would switch up the defense more often. Man to man almost the entire game doesn’t catch anyone by surprise

  5. ADVENTUROO 11/22/2010 at 1:21 AM #

    I, too, have been in Charleston for the games. I agree with ncst8ZR1….love his handle…don’t have the ZR1…

    He is spot on. I sat behind the bench for two games. Sid was really antimated tonight….we were on the second row….and he knew that we were in trouble at the opening of the second half. His comments (courtesy of XM) were also correct. He is really being a mentor, a father figure and a coach this year. He yells, he gets mad, then he counsels the player (after yelling about his play to the assistants) when the kid comes to the bench. I can NOT be happier with him.

    We have Freshmen starting our Tracy Smith was NOT there. Howell, who did NOT start make the first or All Tourney team.

    There will be MORE games, unfortunately, like this….but there will also be GREAT Games. The win over George Mason was really big. We refused to quit. Tonight, we lost our way and the “instincts” of the superstars took over. Scott Wood looked great….he was on, but lost his eye…still, he is a terror on defense. Javier was really upset…he is a competitor…and was mad at the team…

    The freshmen can improvise with the best in the nation….once, they get into a rhytm with each other, they will be awesome.

    SO, this was a great week….TOB and team beat UNC. The BB team won 2 out of 3 and played a great first half against GU. I personally thought the officiating sucked, but what fan doesn’t?. I got a text with the Vandy score….listened to it on the way to the arena….so the HEELS LOST TWO BB GAMES…so much for the #8 ranking…

    Parking is Charleston is the pits…at least I did not get a “boot”. The booters are worse than the predatory towers in downtown Raleigh. As we were going into the arena, a booter was plying his trade in the First Citizens bank lot….and several of our WP fans were counting out 20’s to get unbooted at the end….that would have been a REAL bummer.

  6. NCSU@UNCG 11/22/2010 at 1:39 AM #

    I’ve said it before, CJL tries to do too much… he is not a great shooter. His game in high school was about driving and dunking on guys way less athletic than himself. Gotta deal with the growing pains. Our defense is just plain bad. I can’t wait for Tracy to get back.

  7. wufpup76 11/22/2010 at 4:31 AM #

    I thought the huge difference was that we had nothing to threaten them with in the paint. Without an inside threat we can’t play inside-out and our halfcourt offense virtually collapses. Vandy is no threat at all, and Painter doesn’t finish well on post moves.

    We really missed Tracy last night. I would have liked for us to go to pressure and really go up tempo to try to get back into it, but they were executing very well – so that might have gotten smoked.

    If we see tham again and have Tracy, it could be a different story … the offense works. With that said, we got a little exposed – we really need to find more options against teams that defend well / are disciplined on D.

  8. wufpup76 11/22/2010 at 5:29 AM #

    Just read all the comments – Leslie definitely needs reigning in, but we can’t put this all on Lowe.

    This is where senior / upperclassman leadership comes into play. Leslie’s teammates need to step up and force him to walk the straight and narrow. This type of leadership increases team chemistry and cohesion and is an immeasurable help to the staff.

    We simply have to have guys step up. That’s why I’m glad Javi and Tracy are still here and I hope the youngsters listen to what they have to say. Javi could really be the emotional leader of this team – I’d like to see him step into that role.

    I remember when Hodge was a freshman and would try to do everything, Anthony Grundy was right there to put him back in line. Man I miss that guy … Anyway, there’s nothing wrong with getting in guys’ faces so long as you practice what you preach and take accountability. Clearly someone on the team needed to get on Leslie a bit.

    Hope this happens in the future … go Pack.

  9. wolfonthehill 11/22/2010 at 6:24 AM #

    While I’d love to simplistically chalk this one up to youth, our sophomores are the ones who really shot/played us out of this game. During the critical minutes when G’town grabbed control, Wood & Howell simply killed us, particularly at the offensive end of the court. The freshmen simply joined in on the 3-fest.

    While I don’t pin the loss on Sid, I’m discouraged that he was unable to do more to improve shot selection… aka, a timeout and an outright ban on anything outside of 10 feet. Without doing something that explicit, you could tell we were going to keep bombing away… and shooting ourselves out of the game… and we did.

  10. Wulfpack 11/22/2010 at 6:39 AM #

    Seems like last year we suffered a lot of scoring droughts. That 16-0 drought against G’town was curtains. I’d like to see a little more cohesion as well. Call a play, get to the line, etc. We’re young. It will take some time. This team will win a lot of games. I just hope we show better against the cream of the crop.

  11. rawolf 11/22/2010 at 7:15 AM #

    Hey everyone, I am happy with this team. They played a wonderful 2 and a half games. We must remember that they are young and learning. We will have games like this. I just want the guys to know that I am behind them and to kept pushing, we are going to do some great things this year. We look better then we have in 4 years. By the end of the year we will be a terror for teams and I hope we get one shot at G-town at the end of the season. Like I said kept up the good work Men I’m loving what I’m a seeing GO PACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  12. Rick 11/22/2010 at 8:28 AM #

    Tough loss to a good team

    This game shows talent is not ALL it takes to win.
    It takes defense, rebounding and team play.
    Hopefully those will improve soon.

  13. ryebread 11/22/2010 at 10:37 AM #

    We really, really missed TS last night for multiple reasons. The first half was more open and admittedly he’s not as effective in that style of game, but the second half became more possession oriented and we could have really, really used him when we just needed to pound in a bucket or two. When GT made their run in the second half, if we’d have had TS, we wouldn’t have had that drought.

    Some other observations:
    – We were leading while we had the rebounding advantage. We’d get the board, clear and get out on the break. GT dominated the second half boards.
    – We could build a house with all the bricked shots in the second half. Wood most obviously hurt us, but it was really everyone. A lot of the shots were just bad (wtf are Howell and Leslie doing shooting 3s at critical possessions), but we also missed a couple of open ones we should have made. This wasn’t a game where “we just weren’t hitting our shots” though. Our offense just fell apart.
    – A team with physically powerful, veteran guards running a system involving hard cutting took our guards behind the woodshed in the second half. We just had no match for them defensively.
    – Why no zone defense? We’ve seen first hand that two things kill that Princeton offense — 1-3-1 zones and denial defense at the wings. Since we couldn’t do the latter, why not at least try the former? CJL would be an absolute terror roaming that back baseline and Howell/Painter/Vandy could clog up the middle. If I was disappointed with anything from the staff last night — this was it.

    Oh well, the 4 or so observations really are going to be the keys to the season — youth, defense, rebounding and the health of TS. It is going to be fun to see it all unfold.

  14. Master 11/22/2010 at 10:46 AM #

    I sat on the front row for all three games and thoroughly enjoyed the tournament. I think this team will improve a great deal over the next 4 months and we should make the NCAA tournament. We have some potentially great players in the making.

    Georgetown had great physical presence on the court which they used to wear us down in the 2nd half. Both of their guards were beefy-strong and their big men were simply bigger and taller than ours.

    I thought at one point in the second half that “we could really use Tracy about now.” I thought our inside game lacked his scoring presence at the exact moment we were throwing up threes. At the time I thought our guys were just tired of taking it into that jungle of arms and bodies that swatted away everything we put up.

    Key moment of the second half: State up 44 -42 and playing defense. We played a solid 30 seconds and came up with steal or rebound, took a quick shot on our end that bricked and GT threw a long outlet that resulted in a massive slam by Freeman. All that effort to get punked took it out of our guys.

    After that we just looked very tired which contributed to repeated wide open back door layups.

    This team will get much better with experience.

  15. Classof89 11/22/2010 at 11:46 AM #

    Before I get really irritated at Fowler again for his unnecessarily prolonged mens bb coach search, please tell me we had no shot at Chris Wright after Sendek left, regardless of what Fowler did or didn’t do…while I was watching him absolutely school us last night, I kept thinking about him wearing the red and white…

  16. tann84 11/22/2010 at 3:48 PM #

    Hey wolfhouse1999, sorry but the last thing you want to do against a team that shoots the 3 ball well is implement a 2-3 zone. The 2-3 zone is suppose to stop penetration and help get rebounds. Maybe a 1-3-1 zone would have helped but not a 2-3. You ever heard of the term, shoot them out of the zone? Thats what they are referring to, the 2-3 zone forces teams to shoot 3’s if you can hit them then the zone is pointless. Just thought I might add to the conversation.

  17. wolfhouse1999 11/23/2010 at 2:50 AM #

    Hey Tann84, I am quite aware of the use of a 2-3 zone. Gt could’nt hit the side of a barn shooting threes against Wofford. Now true, they were’nt missing much Sunday night, however they were getting open looks playing man to man and then getting easy rebounds when they missed. Something has to give, either give them the three and get the rebound in the 2-3 zone or take away the three (which we did not) in man to man and take your chances with the rebound. Either way, the definiton of stupidity is doing something the same way over and over and expecting a different result. I just wanted Sidney to throw something (anything) new at them when they were killing our defense. And he did not.

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