Doyel: Butch Davis has to be fired; UNC is a ‘floating turd’

Although we aren’t the biggest fans of this former local sports writer, he is one of the first journalists – local or national – calling for Butch’s head on platter. It is a scathing article.

Full article here.

If only North Carolina could forfeit the rest of the season.

That’s what North Carolina deserves. That’s what college football deserves, too. We deserve to not have that program, currently in the middle of two enormous and distinctly unrelated scandals, foisted upon us. The college football season is a three-month-long celebration of sport. It’s confetti, strobe lights and a kazoo. It’s a party. It’s a punch bowl.

North Carolina is the turd floating in there.

The present? The present is nauseating. We have to turn on the television and watch a team that has been cheating its ass off, coached by a man who let it happen.

Lot of dots to connect there — pock marks, really. Davis is gone. Maybe he doesn’t know it yet, but sometimes people like that are the last to know. He’s in the moment. He’s not thinking of his future. Hey, I’ll think of it for him, and what I think is this: He’s gone. He’s gone, and he’ll finish his career as an NFL assistant.

But we’re stuck with Davis for another 11 games, probably another 12, just like we’re stuck with the 2010 UNC football team — a team that didn’t give a damn about playing by the rules, academic or otherwise.

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29 Responses to Doyel: Butch Davis has to be fired; UNC is a ‘floating turd’

  1. LRM 09/07/2010 at 9:14 AM #


  2. BJD95 09/07/2010 at 9:24 AM #

    For the record, I am now hearing Butch survives AND will stick around, as long as there’s no NCAA probation for the institution.

  3. whitefang 09/07/2010 at 9:25 AM #

    Of course he has to be fired. The only question is does he survive the season so that he can “resign”? I am thinking no. I think the Holes have turned on him and they are going to sacrifice his butt soon. They HAVE to have a scapegoat. In their minds it can’t be the prevailing culture there that caused this (even though it probably is). This has to be “hung” on someone from the outside because they have spent decades telling the world how pure they are. How they are “different”. We all knew better of course.

  4. Phang 09/07/2010 at 9:28 AM #

    I don’t think he’ll make November, may not even make it until October.

  5. Pack05 09/07/2010 at 9:29 AM #

    Word on the streets is more dirt is going to drop tomorrow… not a teaser. Supposedly very damaging / thought to be Blake related.

  6. Pack Mentality 09/07/2010 at 9:29 AM #

    If they make them vacate wins from the past how many wins against State will Butch Davis have to vacate?

  7. Wufpacker 09/07/2010 at 9:35 AM #

    So it took Gregg Doyel, of all people, to have to point this out to the masses, eh?

    So be it.

    I guess sometimes it does take a “turd in the punchbowl” to know a “turd in the punchbowl”.

  8. GAWolf 09/07/2010 at 9:53 AM #

    Since when did cbs become r-rated? And in what thesauras did Doyel find the word “turd” and think it wise to use it in the national media? He’s got some great points, but the language discredits them somewhat.

  9. Sam92 09/07/2010 at 9:53 AM #

    what can i say, he’s not even fired yet and i’m already in a good mood.

    this weekend was just about perfect – we won, they lost, and on top of it their whole program is falling apart – i just can’t wait for more news to develop about this

  10. old13 09/07/2010 at 9:57 AM #

    I doubt that the mission here is to hold unx out for the wolves [like that!], but rather to sell newspapers – the same motive as his HWSNBN article. But in this case, unlike the other, he does have some valid points.

  11. choppack1 09/07/2010 at 10:06 AM #

    “For the record, I am now hearing Butch survives AND will stick around, as long as there’s no NCAA probation for the institution.”

    And, assuming there is no probation, that’s what I’d expect.

    However, from everything that’s out there, you’ve got to think that it’s going to be very difficult for UNC to avoid some type of probation unless there’s nothing more than the following:
    #1. Very limited player/agent contact.
    #2. Very little “cheating” in said the academic scandal.
    #3. Blake really resigned only because he was a distraction – but Blake did nothing wrong.

    Now – here’s a question to you – do you think that 1-3 are all that’s out there – and that 1-3 are that limited in scope?

    I think it’s certainly possible, but I don’t know how likely it is. And I think if there’s anything else out there, I’ll be shocked if UNC doesn’t get probation – as this thing has already morphed from being Agent/Player to Agent/Player, Academic cheating and an assistant resigning under a cloud of suspicion.

  12. VaWolf82 09/07/2010 at 10:08 AM #

    The cliche used to be…even a broke clock is right twice a day. This just happens to be one of those times.

    Doyel isn’t afraid to call people out. The problem with him is that if there isn’t anything real, then he will say outrageous things just to generate hits.

  13. Daily Update 09/07/2010 at 10:08 AM #

    How would UNC avoid NCAA sanctions? I don’t see that happening.

  14. LKNpackfan 09/07/2010 at 10:13 AM #

    Its odd to say, but I’ve agreed with Gregg two-G’s Doyel twice in one week. His Boise State column was spot on as well.

  15. MrPerfectionest 09/07/2010 at 10:16 AM #

    Doyel should get no linking to his inane drivel under any circumstances. Anyone who continues to make a calling by making inflammatory and often fact free commentary, even if it is just opinion, deserves no serious consideration from anyone.

  16. StateFans 09/07/2010 at 10:26 AM #

    I don’t buy the optimistic scenarios from Carolina people. They’ve all had their heads in the sand since the beginning. Totally disassociated from reality.

    THIS is EXACTLY why there MUST be a separate INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION to get into all of the tentacles of this story! The idea that 4 or 5 UNC-CH employees can/will/should be in charge of self-investigating the department is absurd.

    Something big is going to break later today or tomorrow.

    I’ve been saying this for over a month now. I don’t think there is any way that Butch is around to coach this team next season. The question is by path UNC is able to navigate the balance between the NCAA, the media, their recruiting haul, finding the replacement.

  17. LKNpackfan 09/07/2010 at 10:29 AM #

    Per twitter, Doyel will be on Dave Glenn today at 1:15. Could be entertaining. Glenn could try to defend Butch, or just let the UNX callers whine? Either way, I enjoy watching them squirm even if it is Doyel doing the poking

  18. Plz2BStateFan 09/07/2010 at 10:47 AM #

    One of my small selfish wishes from all of this is that Butch and none of the athletes from Butch’s first class(the ones that will be leaving after this year) will be able to claim they beat NC State.

    Either by none of them actually playing against us this year, or we beat them for a 4th straight time.

    The cherry on top if you will.

  19. Prowling Woofie 09/07/2010 at 11:08 AM #

    I work in compliance, and I think BD will be guilty of a term we use – self-blinding. That is, turning your head from possible violations, or making it known to your staff that you don’t want to know what’s happening. I think he instructed Black Santa to do what he needed to do to get the top-notch thugs out there, but not to tell him about anything shady.

    Right now, Blake is the fall guy. Blake is getting his hush money until BD can complete his exit strategy to an NFL asst coaching slot, then Blake will hit the airwaves with the truth.

    The cheaters with NFL talent will move on, sans degree, but will be gainfully employed in pro football. Much like the USC scenario, the innocent players left in the wake will be the ones suffering the punishment from the NCAA.

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch, but it still will be unfair to the classes of kids that did nothing wrong but will have to miss potential bowl games.

  20. Homeboy 09/07/2010 at 11:40 AM #

    thanks for that insight from your informed perspective, Prowling.

    from what I hear from my old classmates now at school in CH is that the team is coming apart…the anger that the non-cheating players have at the cheaters is obviously rearing its head. This is obviously understandable anger from the perspective of those who did play by the rules to have their season(s) ruined by those who didn’t. and they’re all pissed — even the ‘lesser’ cheaters — at Austin’s continued antics. Maybe there was a cheesecake factory at concourse level @ the GA Dome.

  21. gcpack 09/07/2010 at 12:29 PM #

    Anytime anyone in the typically UNC biased media loads up on UNC I will enjoy it. However I will always despise Doyel for his BS in regards to what he wrote about the Sendek situation. As recent as last summer he was still writing about how stupid State was for letting the next John Wooden(Herb Sendek)go.

    So I put no credence in that moron’s recent comments on UNC football.

    Doyel is a whore for internet hits. Nothing more, nothing less.

  22. 61Packer 09/07/2010 at 12:52 PM #

    UNC administrators, as long as they keep Butch Davis on as head football coach, are not to be believed when they preach about how pious and academically outstanding their institution is compared to most others (NC State being the leading “most other”). As long as this man continues to be the face of the UNC football program, their stature with academic image and potential recruits will take a major hit.

    I was amazed that after being suspended for the LSU game, there was Marvin Austin in Atlanta anyway, smiling from the stands on ESPN and in newspaper photos the next day. Davis either has no control over his players or is a moron for allowing Austin to get a ticket through the school and then show up at a game he was suspended from playing in, regardless of how he got there. I simply could not imagine The Marine allowing that to have happened, let alone the other apparent misdoings of over a dozen other players.

    The true Pack fans out there, especially the ABCers, should drool over the possibility of Davis keeping his job. After watching the mess we had with Wolfpack administrators recently in the Fouler/Oblinger/Easley debacle, we’re seeing it again in the system’s other flagship university. For all the degrees the people who are running the UNC system have, they have a shocking lack of common sense.

    Over, under, sideways, down,
    Backwards, forwards, spinning ’round….
    When will it ever…..
    When will it ever……….end?

  23. JeremyH 09/07/2010 at 1:00 PM #

    I agree with 61Packer, and I think that BD keeping his job is the very definition of lack of institutional control. I have no preference either way–the goose is cooked.

  24. packalum44 09/07/2010 at 2:00 PM #

    The sad thing is we still beat them in recruiting two years ago and haven’t been significantly behind other years (except the upcoming one which I hope reverses). The biggest difference is Butch inherited alot more depth and talent and kept thugs on his team whereas TOB inherited a floating turd and kicked the stankiest nuggets off the ship. People don’t remember Bunting was red-shirting a top 25 recruiting class the year he was ousted.

  25. Prowling Woofie 09/07/2010 at 2:03 PM #

    If Davis is ‘let go’ in some form or fashion, it is either because he was stupid enough to let this happen under his nose, or he was complicit in the illegal activities.

    If he stays, THE ENTIRE UNIVERSITY is stupid enough to let him hang around, KNOWING that he was stupid enough to let this happen under his nose. This is assuming that he would have to be gone were he found to be complicit in illegal activities.

    Six of one, half-dozen of the other… Take your pick !

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