HS FBall Recruit: Butch Davis admits improper benefits to players in ‘agent-gate’? [Sunday update]

We’ve got ‘breaking news’ out of Virginia tonight where high school football player and UNC-CH commitment, Tim Scott, says that North Carolina Head Football Coach Butch Davis told him that the current NCAA investigation will not impact UNC’s future bowl eligibility…as well as a whole lot more.

Hat tip to WRAL: UNC recruit says Davis told him no loss of bowls

UNC’s most recent football recruit may have peeled the curtain back a bit regarding the Tar Heels’ trouble with the NCAA.

Upon committing to Carolina, cornerback Tim Scott tells the Fredericksburg (Va) Freelance Star that Butch Davis assured him the NCAA investigation will not affect UNC’s bowl eligibility.

“He said the players just have to pay back what they received,” Scott said. “They said it shouldn’t affect future recruits.”

The question now is whether Davis was merely offering his opinion, or if he was speaking from a position of knowledge — and there’s always the possibility of this amounting to a “recruiting promise.” But regardless, it’s an interesting quote from a recruit.

Like we did in this popular entry on Friday, let’s just approach some obvious questions this information generates:

First, does Butch Davis know for sure that UNC’s program is not going to be negatively impacted by the NCAA investigation?

If so, why can Coach Davis and UNC tell a 17 year old high school student things that they won’t share with the rest of the world?

Over the last two weeks Coach Davis and the entire athletics administration at UNC-CH have refused to speak to the press or answer any questions on the item until Davis’ previously scheduled appearance at the local Pigskin event on Thursday where he said basically nothing.

The University was even were caught in a half-truth (many call it a lie) on the issue when the News & Observer took the time to receive a statement from the NCAA that directly contradicted the lying position the University had been publicly spinning. In this entry we shared:

There are an increasing number of voices speaking with insight and intelligence about the subversive role and influence of agents, many from schools currently under investigation. None of them is coming from Chapel Hill. So far, Little’s father has said more about the probe than anyone at the university.

“I don’t know what Coach Spurrier and Coach Saban were told. … They may be under different circumstances, different directives, they may have had different people from the NCAA talking to them,” Kirschner said. “I don’t know. I do know what we were told, and I know what direction the NCAA gave us.”

In an e-mail, NCAA associate director for public and media relations Stacey Osburn wrote, “The NCAA does not prohibit the schools under investigation to comment to the media, however, they are advised not to make any public comment that could hamper the investigation.”

Anyone notice the difference in Kirschner’s explanation of UNC’s silence and the actual email from the NCAA’s Stacey Osburn? Kirschner says they aren’t talking per the request of the NCAA, yet the NCAA told Decock that anyone can talk as long as they don’t hamper the investigation.

Is Kirschner confused? Or is he purposely being dishonest? It may be in the best interests of UNC to have remained silent, so why not just state that it is UNC’s policy not to discuss these matters until they reach some sort of resolution?

Easily the most important news and questions that evolve from Scott’s comments would be that if Davis said, ‘the players just have to pay back what they received’ then the UNC-CH coach would appear to be admitting that (1) multiple players (2) received improper and illegal benefits.

WOW!! Multiple players receiving major illegal payments and benefits from sports agents! and, no major penalties to follow? only pay back the money?

This obviously opens up quite a pandora’s box of questions from any NC State University supporter older than (approximately) 35 years old.

In the late 1980s, it was supposedly proven that NC State had a few basketball players ‘illegally’ generate income that probably totaled a few thousand dollars from selling some of their sneakers and free tickets to basketball games. For this ‘major violation’ the University lost its exceptionally popular basketball coach, Athletics Director and Chancellor on our way to NCAA probation despite an unprecedented letter written voluntarily by the head of the NCAA’s investigation exonerating and praising Head Basketball Coach, Jim Valvano.

Yet now…the University of North Carolina could have multiple players accept major gifts and cash from illicit sources that could total over a hundred thousand dollars and the only penalties and discipline will be that the money will get paid back. And, please note that the only money that will get paid back is the money that can be been proven. Imagine how much is out there that will never be proven?

Makes total sense to me. Unfortunately.

One last quick question — if these kids didn’t initially have the money needed to take these trips and buy these gifts…then, how in the world are they going to simply ‘pay it back’? Seriously. If they didn’t have the money to begin with, where are they going to get it now to ‘pay it back’? Maybe some of those nice, supportive UNC-CH alums can find a way to step up and help like they apparently did for Wayne Ellington while he was helping Carolina win ACC and National Basketball Championships.

2:20pm Sunday afternoon
Imagine this…we’ve got yet another flip-flop in a story related to the UNC-CH’s agentgate?!

The N&O has a follow-up on this story that you can read here.

Tim Scott, a cornerback from Stafford, Va., said he was told by assistant coach Charlie Williams that UNC’s bowl status would not be affected by the NCAA investigation.

Scott, reached by phone on Sunday afternoon, said Williams also talked to him about the punishment for the players involved in the NCAA investigation. He clarified a Virginia newspaper report from Saturday that attributed the quotes to head coach Butch Davis.

“Coach Williams said the players involved would have to pay back what they received and it wouldn’t be an issue for future recruits,” Scott said. “I didn’t talk to coach Davis about the NCAA investigation.”
Williams is UNC’s receivers coach in his fourth season. He previously coached with Davis at Miami and also in the NFL.

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31 Responses to HS FBall Recruit: Butch Davis admits improper benefits to players in ‘agent-gate’? [Sunday update]

  1. Wufpacker 07/25/2010 at 9:54 PM #

    ^ I agree with everything you just wrote. Not sure what I said that you’re refuting with this.

    I was responding to “I don’t think wolfpack fans will be the only folks “up in arms” about this”. I know we, who are watching closely, will have opinions if it appears they get off with less than they should. I also agree that SFN is doing a bangup job keeping the issues at the forefront, something the so-called journalists in NC don’t seem willing to do, at least not yet.

    My only point was, how many besides us are going to have an attention span for something that they are not directly interested in, and therefore notice or care if it looks fishy.

  2. JeremyH 07/25/2010 at 10:01 PM #

    not refuting, I agree with your point; just providing commentary that speaks to it : )

  3. Wufpacker 07/25/2010 at 10:09 PM #

    I see. My apologies for my misinterpretation. Reading comprehension is a beautiful thing, LOL (that is directed at myself, not you or anyone else, btw).

  4. coach13 07/26/2010 at 8:47 AM #

    IMO, this whole thing has been blown out of proportion (purposely) to make it seem like a pandemic, an infestation affecting all schools. Agent-gate. Make the problem bigger than UNC so that they are just a small part of a monster thats out of control. That’s part 1. Part 2, how…how can you punish UNC for this monster that the NCAA can’t control If the NCAA can’t control it (As has been sold in every radio cast, paper article, etc.) how was UNC supposed to stop it. Then it would be hypocritical for the NCAA to punish UNC.

    YES THIS IS MY CONSPIRACY THEORY which happens to be playing out clear as day. The masterminds (UNC, N&O) have orchestrated it beautifully. They also happen to be the most tight lipped of everyone in case you didn’t notice. The sh#$ hits the fan, and they collaborate.
    UNC-“What do we do?”
    N&O-“We’ll use our media connections to make the problem bigger than UNC, it’s fortunate Austin went after players from other schools, helps us in that regard”.
    UNC-“What should we do?”.
    N&O-“Just keep quiet. We’ll keep quiet, use our connections to make UNC’s blackeye a blackeye for the whole nation. End the end, we’ll be your champion as to why you shouldn’t be punished.You are a victim”

    The crime (UNC’s misconduct) has been watered down. You have heard it/read it everywhere. We have been force fed that it’s the agents, everyone is a victim, including UNC. The focus was switched so quickly from UNC’s corruption to an industry problem, we just forgot to blink.
    And call into Joe and Adam. They refuse to accept that the players are responsible. They’ll say “Oh yes you’re right, but they’re just kids. They have to be looked after. They can’t control themselves” and they will resume the above mentioned sales pitch.

    Watch…wait…see.

  5. triadwolf 07/26/2010 at 9:59 AM #

    USC was telling everyone (recruits, new coaches, etc.) that they expected “minor” penalties from the Bush incident. This was still happening within a couple weeks of the NCAA announcement.

    Either they were naive to the whole situation, arrogant, or lying. I personally think it was a combination of arrogance and lying.

    Anyway, I wouldn’t put much validity into what an assistant coach is telling recruit. I just don’t see how this whole thing can be limited to just paying back money unless, as they say, “the fix is on.”

  6. gcpack 07/27/2010 at 12:09 AM #

    Regarding the media soft touch I am sure some of you heard David Glenn’s softball game with Butch Davis today at the ACC football media day. A sarcastic opening question about the subject matter of Butch’s questions today from the media. They had a good chuckle at that question & Glenn never said another word to Davis about the NCAA investigation.

    I used to admire Glenn but his training at the old ACC Poop Sheet under former UNC ball player Dennis Wuycick is coming through in a bright baby blue hue with this latest interview. He has bragged a lot about knowing the inside story of Matt Dougherty’s firing which in essence is that UNC was right to can Doh as soon as Roy ‘deputy Fife’ Williams was ready to come to CH.

    I wonder why he doesn’t have the inside story about Butchy’s boys who are already cashing in with agents & more importantly black Santa Coach Blake?

    And Glenn is at the forefront of media types who scoff at media bias. No wonder with the kid glove treatment he gave Davis today.

    Is there ANYONE in the mainstream media who has the guts and feels the duty to go after the real truth all the while standing up to the UNC influence peddlers?

    It’s disgusting.

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