Lee’s Last Shot at an ACCeptable Achievement?

Since the beginning of the 1992-1993 athletics season, NC State University is the only full-time BCS affiliated institution that has failed to win single conference championship in football, men’s basketball, women’s basketball or baseball.

Today marks the start of the 57th Atlantic Coast Conference Basketball Tournament, and perhaps the last of almost 57 attempts for a Lee Fowler-led Athletics Department to win a conference championship in a ‘major’ team sport.

To more deeply understand my point, you should click on this link that will take you to one of our most popular entries of all time – ‘The Unholy Trinity’ (which has now become the “Unholy Duo” as Iowa State successfully removed their name from the list this football season). For additional support, you can’t miss this graphical look at ACC & National Championships.

In short, over the last four years, NC State and the University of Colorado are the only two BCS schools that have experienced four straight losing seasons in football while also failing to land a single berth in at least one NCAA Men’s Basketball Tournament.

Some other noteworthy ‘accomplishments’ of NC State’s Athletics Department since the calendar turned to the year 2000 and overlapping Lee Fowler’s ‘leadership’ as NC State’s Athletics Director include the following:

  • NC State is one of only four BCS schools that have failed to win a conference title in any of the four major revenue or high profile sports – football, men’s basketball, women’s basketball, baseball along with Texas Tech, Arkansas, and South Florida (who didn’t join the Big East until 2005).
  • The Wolfpack’s athletics program is one of only sixteen BCS schools that has failed to win a single team national championship as 50 of the 66 BCS schools (75.8%) have won at least one team national championship in the past ten years.
    • Both Kentucky & Kansas State are on that list have great chances to remove themselves in this year’s NCAA Basketball Tournament.
  • After NC State failed to advance to a BCS Bowl game this year we failed to remove ourselves from the historical list of only 8 BCS schools – and the only ACC school – that has never played in any of the four BCS bowls (Rose, Fiesta, Sugar and Orange). Since Lee Fowler has been AD in Raleigh, five different ACC programs have represented the conference in BCS games including non-powers Maryland, Georgia Tech and Wake Forest. (Must be the facilities)

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StateFansNation is excited to share with you that as Sidney Lowe’s Wolfpack Basketball team attempts to make history in Greensboro as the lowest seeded team to win an ACC Basketball Championship, NC State may finally be moving towards an attempt to raise the University up from being one of the worst major college athletics programs in the country.

If some of the most widely-known ‘secrets’ in recent memory hold to form, it appears that Lee Fowler may finally be on his to a more permanent perch at his Lake Gaston house without being funded by the taxpayers of the State of North Carolina.

Rumors have evolved for months around Lee Fowler’s potential, and long overdue departure from NC State. We have allowed some of these conversations to play out on our message boards as we want our readers to always feel free to discuss all topics and want our community forums to be provider of significant value for our readership. But, today, we feel as though it is time to bring the rumors we have been hearing to light with a little more clarity, context and commentary than what you may have picked up on the forums. You have the right to choose to accept or reject the following information and commentary as you see fit:

  • You may remember a heightened amount of chatter and discussion about Fowler’s job security just over a year ago as we headed into Final Four weekend of 2009. This ‘chatter’ was definitely more than rumor and innuendo as some of the Ministers of Propaganda from the ‘State Sunshiners Squad’ tried to report to the masses on messages boards.
  • At that time, The Board of Trustees finally had enough support to endorse a push on Fowler and for the first time in his tenure, spineless Jim Oblinger had indicated that he would not fight the attempt to work with Fowler to craft a mutually agreed upon exit from NC State.
  • Note the point of ‘mutually agreed upon’ exit. You need to remember that in April of 2007, NCSU’s Board of Einsteins Trustees inexplicably extended Lee Fowler’s contract through 2013. We couldn’t understand this decision at the time; and it looks even crazier with the benefit of a few more years of pain and suffering. So, problems arose in preliminary conversations as Fowler’s love for money is very and dictated that he wasn’t going to leave easily.
  • Fowler has made himself a candidate for at least a half dozen other jobs since he has been at NC State and (obviously) nobody will hire him. Early in his time in Raleigh he took swings at jobs like Tennessee, Ohio State, Georgia and even Indiana a few years ago. In recent years, Fowler has quietly been turned down by some smaller schools.
  • At his age and with his laughable reputation amongst sports administrators married to his miserable record of few achievements, even Fowler must recognize that the odds are very low that he could ever secure get another job…especially if he were ‘fired’. So, if NC State wanted him gone then we would have to pay him big bucks for his contract because when he leaves his career is effectively over. (Doesn’t it make you feel great that YOU have had the pleasure of this guy running your department all of this time because nobody else in the country was dumb enough to hire him? Can we all thank our Board of Trustees one more time for their stewardship and leadership of our University?)
  • The financial and political will to buyout an Athletics Director is not something that most administrators want to deal with at any point in time, let alone in the middle of an economic recession.
  • Then the Mary Easely-Jim Oblinger-McQueen Campbell-Board of Trustees scandals broke and the heat lifted off Lee Fowler. Figurative heat, of course; there was plenty of heat on him as he tanned himself of the warm waters of Lake Gaston all of last summer.
  • Enter interim Chancellor Woodward. It soon became clear that if Woodward had been made the permanent Chancellor that Fowler would have been one of the first changes made alongside Tom Stafford and the public fiasco with Lennie Barton. But, Chancellor Woodward did not feel it was his place to deal with this major issue at the University.
  • A big hole in the story emerges as little is known about the recent interaction of the Board and the interim Chancellor and new Chancellor Woodson. But, if the story holds, the decision was made for Fowler to be gone before Chancellor Woodson arrives on campus.
    • We have heard that Chancellor Woodson is scheduled to start at/near the very beginning of April.
  • Supposedly there is/was a date in late February/early March that served as some kind of trigger for Fowler that has some form of financial significance to him. This date was key in his acceptance of an agreement to be able to position his departure as a ‘retirement’/’resignation’ instead of a firing as it should have been.
    • SFN’s conjecture here is that this special date is somehow tied/linked to state retirement benefits that may come at a ten year anniversary of hire. We don’t know all of the specifics of pension formulas, etc; but, this conjecture makes sense when you consider that Fowler started at NC State on September 5, 2000. So, his 10 year anniversary is coming soon. State of North Carolina policy allows for the rolling accumulation of sick leave and vacation. And, you can bet that Fowler has never claimed a day in his life. So, it is very plausible that he has enough days ‘banked’ for him to step away as many as six or seven months ahead of his ten year anniversary.
  • For the better part of the last month, the frequency and consistency of rumors related to a Lee Fowler departure has significantly intensified. Many different sources have shared with SFN that Lee Fowler will ‘retire/resign’ as NC State’s Athletics Director at some in the very near future. The scenarios around Fowler’s ultimate departure usually takes the form of one of the two of the following:
  • (1) Some of the rumors have Fowler departing NC State in May, coinciding with the end of the school year. This version centers on the premise that Fowler has been given an ultimatum to have found a new job and hit the bricks by the end of the year…or else. This would have Fowler riding into the sunset with another of SFN’s most disliked NC State administrators, Tom Stafford.
  • (2) The more intense and immediate version of the rumors have Fowler ‘retiring’ next week as the Wolfpack’s basketball season is expected to be completed. The most widely speculated and most logical date of departure would be a Friday afternoon announcement on March 19th as the news and attention to the story would be significantly diluted by the NCAA Tournament first round.

Please note that we are not proclaiming the above bullets as 100% fact or are we proclaiming that these scenarios will ultimately play themselves out in reality as they have been ‘pre-planned. We have not confirmed these stories enough to ‘report’ them to you as ‘news’. But, we do finally feel comfortable enough in the strength of our sources and the momentum of what we are hearing to lay all of this out so that you can form your own set of conclusions.

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A particularly interesting observation of the recent developments in this scenario stems from the fact that we were told much of this timeline in November & December of last year – long before the chatter has started to elevate amongst NC State fans and on some message boards. But, what we were told months ago has picked up momentum as the weeks have passed and the story has remained remarkably consistent despite coming from many different sources.

Additionally, Lee Fowler’s own behavior has served to add to the speculation as he has been conspicuously absent from some key University events including a private reception to welcome Chancellor Woodson after his introduction and the NC State Alumni Association Evening of Stars (at the end of January).

It certainly didn’t help us douse the flames of these rumors when a close friend shared the following observation with us last month:

Maybe totally unrelated, but I have noticed that he has not had the NC State Flag waving in front of his house since Christmas. Before that, it seemed it was always there. A Christmas flag waved during the holidays, but no flag is there now. Can’t say whether the flagpost on the wall is still there.

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Lastly, you MUST listen the audio we linked this morning of Taylor Zarzour’s new radio program.

In the segment, Zarzour takes a very different tack than other local media members and defiantly proclaims that NC State needs to fire Athletics Director, Lee Fowler.

My uneducated and uninformed analysis of the boldness of Zarzour’s comments is — he knows something.

Think about this for a moment. There is no way that any member of the media chooses to begin their first local show calling for the firing of the local Athletics Director – the one that has the power to butter Zarzour’s bread and provide or block access to members of the NC State community.

Zarzour would be committing a form of professional suicide by coming right out of the gate with that kind of talk…

unless, he had some reason to believe that Lee Fowler wasn’t going to be around very much longer, anyway.

At that point, Zarzour would be playing this thing MASTERFULLY as he can immediately position himself as a both a prophet and an independently free-thinker who is not in the pocket of ‘the man’. What would he have to lose by way of relationships at NC State if there isn’t going to be a Lee Fowler to piss off in the very near future?

I guess only time will tell…

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83 Responses to Lee’s Last Shot at an ACCeptable Achievement?

  1. AveryPage 03/11/2010 at 8:07 PM #

    hell,
    if fowler is gone,
    i will throw a party all he way out in asheville!

  2. Werewolf of Yadkinville 03/11/2010 at 8:10 PM #

    Let’s take the next step. If this goes through who do we go after? I would personally like to see us talk to Charlie Cobb. Don’t get me wrong. I love Appalachian State. I graduated from there in 08 but I was born a State fan, 7 months after the 83 championship. I went only to App to get a piece of paper that now hangs on my wall. Stationary. Nothing gets me pumped like a State game and I think we need someone young to pump some life into the program. I think Charlie would do big things in Raleigh and losing is definitely not an option with him.

    GO PACK!!!

  3. LRM 03/11/2010 at 8:18 PM #

    I have nothing against Cobb. By all indications he’s done an outstanding job at App. But my concern is this: when I was at home at Thanksgiving, I rode with my folks to see all the renovations to their facilities (my dad is an App alum), and, whether my perception is right or not, my first thought was “Do we really want Lee’s replacement to be another “facilities guy?”

  4. AveryPage 03/11/2010 at 8:20 PM #

    Well man ^
    I’d love to have cobb.
    look what he’s done for app.

  5. AveryPage 03/11/2010 at 8:33 PM #

    every single anouncer for every single tv network is so biased for the tar fags

  6. packfan03 03/11/2010 at 8:35 PM #

    I would be extremely interested in a list of potential candidates that may be interested in the position. In theory, we should have a VERY attractive job for the following reasons:

    1. Booster Club is fantastic
    2. BCS Conference, ACC is one of the most respected conferences
    3. Facilities already in place
    4. Job Security (as Lee Fowler has shown us, results don’t factor into this process)
    5. YOU CAN’T DO ANY WORSE THAN FOWLER

  7. Werewolf of Yadkinville 03/11/2010 at 8:35 PM #

    He’s not a facilities guy. He gets the job done and does things the right way because he cares about the athletic performance on the playing field. He knows what they get accomplished is a direct representation of him. The facilities came after our National Championships.

  8. Werewolf of Yadkinville 03/11/2010 at 8:40 PM #

    And by the way I thoroughly enjoy reading what you guys have to say. I’m new to the site but have been an avid reader of this site for 2 years. I remember sitting in my apartment behind Mellow Mushroom in Boone drunk watching the pathetic performances of our basketball team over the past couple of years and stumbling in the room and going to this site just to know that somewhere else someone was just as pissed as me and my roommate was.

  9. LRM 03/11/2010 at 8:45 PM #

    “5. YOU CAN’T DO ANY WORSE THAN FOWLER”

    I’m not prepared right now to make a qualified argument for or against Cobb, so I’m not disagreeing at all with you Werewolf, just sharing a reaction that occured to me a while back. But I’m wholly certain my mom’s chocolate lab couldn’t manage our athletic department any worse than Lee has for the past decade — and she often devours entire paper towels.

  10. VaWolf82 03/11/2010 at 8:47 PM #

    celebratory storming of the roundabouts.

    Now that’s funny.

  11. Werewolf of Yadkinville 03/11/2010 at 8:53 PM #

    I hear you LRM. I’m sure my blind, deaf, quadripalegic dog could do a better job than Lee.

  12. packfan03 03/11/2010 at 9:13 PM #

    But I’m wholly certain my mom’s chocolate lab couldn’t manage our athletic department any worse than Lee has for the past decade — and she often devours entire paper towels.

    I’ve always said, if you’re going to start something – finish it. Don’t half ass it. Eat that entire roll!!

  13. Rochester 03/11/2010 at 9:32 PM #

    To whomever said that we said that Lee Fowler as going to be fired last year I ask you please just share links and quotes to where we said it. Everything we have ever typed is out there on the public record. If you find that your comment is incorrect, then we look forward to your retractment and apology.

    April 2, 2009: http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2009/04/02/strange-things-are-afoot-at-the-circle-k/

    April 3, 2009: http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2009/04/03/ncsu-official-denies-fowler-rumors/

    Folks, this story has real legs, and this is not the end of it as far as we know. There have been off-the-record comments by those that do know what they are talking about that indeed something is going on. What this isn’t is an April Fool’s joke, or a message board rumor that got out of control. It is not something that the writers at Statefans Nation or any other blog dreamt up, made up, misinterpreted or misconstrued. If anything, many of the folks here are being very careful to only point out palpable facts.

    The bottom line: too many people in authority, in the know and close the to the situation are indicating as much — level-headed people who most definitely do not fit the stereotype of a mouth-breathing fan sitting in his mama’s basement stirring up trouble.

    My apologies. It didn’t flat out say “Lee Fowler is going to be fired.” There was a hell of a discussion about all the rumors that he was about to be fired, however. It got my hopes up so high that when he didn’t I pretty much gave up reading about the Pack for the rest of the summer.

  14. graywolf 03/11/2010 at 10:06 PM #

    I only hope that what I have read here has a grain of truth and that we can in turn find a real AD that can manage the facilities and people (coaches). Winning at NC State is long overdue and it is time for the culture of corruption to exit the administrative halls of my beloved university. Go Pack and good riddance to Mr Fowler and company.

  15. Conrad 03/11/2010 at 10:58 PM #

    I think its about time that they fired Fowler. But lets be fair about the majority of the ACC fball programs has been nothing but pretenter at best in fball. So that is really not his fault at all to be fair.But ever since Holtz & Bo Rein took off to fball schools like Arkansas & LSU. We have been looking for coaches at D2 fball programs like William & Mary & Furman instead of some top assitance coach from power house fball schools. Now pls dont think that i am in support of keeping him around for another yr or 2 either.

    But the damage to the bball program was done at the hands of the past & present AD’s & administrations that forced out Valvano in 90 for NCAA minor infractions. But without a game plan to replace him with a equal or better coach. So they have been abusing this bball program with coaches like Robinson & Sendek who had no business coaching in the ACC nor in any other major bball conference. And yes it was an mistake in hiring Lowe for reasons of no college coaching experience to a 16 yr well below ACC talent standard team. But i feel that we may have found a diamond in the rough coach in Lowe. If we allow him to complete his rebuilding process like we did with all our past coaches. Which next yr he will have a top 4 team in the ACC with a bid to the NCAAs with all the incoming talent like Harrow & Brown, CJ Leslie. But after that yr the future for State bball is looking great under Lowe. I know that the peanut gallery here disagress with my opinions of him. Again my opinions is not in support of Fowler & the rest of the members of the AD. So clear that whole department up when he is fired.

  16. blpack 03/12/2010 at 7:27 AM #

    I hope this comes to pass and it will be great for our university. It should also serve as a shot across the bow of our coaches who aren’t getting it done. It is time to shape up or hopefully you will be shipped out. Let it be so.

  17. StateFans 03/12/2010 at 8:47 AM #

    Rochester, thank you very much for sharing those previous comments and pointing out exactly what we said.

    And, in the year since then we have only been able to confirm the fact that there was a lot of activity moving in that direction (as we originally reported).

    Then the Easley, Oblinger, Campbell crap hit.

  18. Sam92 03/12/2010 at 9:16 AM #

    the volume of comments here shows how much energy we all have around this

    i am so hopeful that this is true and lee is soon gone

    but my hope is tarnished a bit by the knowledge that the same lame board of trustees will be responsible for choosing lee’s replacement

    here’s hoping it’s true, and that the BOT hires someone dynamic who is not afraid to clean house — sidney has got to go, and TOB should feel heat as well; coaches in nonrevenue sports also have to get their act together

  19. Prowling Woofie 03/12/2010 at 9:21 AM #

    ^^ StateFans, though it may have prolonged our agony with Lee, that crowd HAD to be jettisoned for NCSU to regain any credibility !

    Need to flush out any and all that look at NCSU as a means to pad their own pockets instead of doing what they do to benefit the university.

    ‘No I in TEAM’ should apply all over campus…

  20. packbackr04 03/12/2010 at 9:22 AM #

    ive got my check written out the WPC and in the memo it says “FINALLY”

    as soon as it is announced. the check will be in the mail

  21. rtpack24 03/12/2010 at 10:02 AM #

    Previously mentioned by another poster our SID needs to be one of the first ones shown the door. For doing a very poor job in every area of her resposibility.

  22. Texpack 03/12/2010 at 11:50 AM #

    I am encouraged to read that the end may well be in site.

    I ran into a lady at Wal Mart last weekend who was wearing a “Wolfpack Volleyball” t-shirt. I asked if she was a State grad since I don’t see many State grads in these parts. When she told me that her daughter played on the volleyball team, I wanted to say, “I’m sorry.” For me, that incident captured my feelings about our recent athletics department performance….shame.

    When my oldest son was forced to look out of state for a big school with a strong athletics program, he never even considered NC State. “State sucks at everything,” was his analysis of our athletic program.

  23. bradleyb123 03/12/2010 at 1:25 PM #

    If and when the time comes to replace Sidney (I hope we don’t have to, but if we do…) it would be so much better to have someone besides Fowler leading the way. Seems like I’ve heard we didn’t get some of our desired coaches because they didn’t care to work under Fowler. Is there anything to that? If so, he’s just been a poison to our fine university. He doesn’t require ANYTHING from coaches, and it may be that he is the very reason we couldn’t GET a great basketball coach four years ago.

    No offense to Sidney. I hope he does well. But the point is that we missed out on several big names before we went with Sidney. And I think Fowler, himself, may have been part of the problem. Not just the way he conducted the coaching search, but the man, himself, was a problem.

    Am I off base with this? I think I read something about that somewhere, but I’m going by memory, which ain’t quite what it used to be!

  24. Alpha Wolf 03/12/2010 at 1:57 PM #

    Love or hate Lowe, he has earned another season in the last month…and will certainly be back for it, Fowler or no Fowler.

    You may not like it, but look at the situation objectively — Lowe led an under-talented team that has gelled in the last few weeks, one that has pulled an upset conference tournament win over an NCAA-bound and 8 point favorite higher seed and one that is likely post-season bound itself after exceeding expectations. Additionally it is a team that has a highly regarded recruiting class inbound that should go far to address the weaknesses of this year’s team.

    I know the rest of the story and storm of posts pointing them out won’t change the fact that if State were to make a change right now, it would be difficult to get a top-flight coach to come here.

    Any new AD would realize this and would give another year to the hoops coach under the same circumstances. For that matter, I would be surprised if the money donors would back the change.

    That said, expect the red blazer on the sidelines next year.

  25. stejen 03/12/2010 at 2:41 PM #

    While I am in full agreement with what is being said here I think it should be pointed out that this ship has been heading in the wrong direction for a long time. Todd Turner got the ball rolling in a big way but even Willis Casey always seemed to have a problem hiring football coaches. Ray Tanner would probably still be here if State would have built a nicer stadium for the baseball team. N.C. State has been mismanaged for a long time and that is evident with the soon to be Chancellor pointing out that NC State has one of the smallest endowments of any University for the research that it does. Think back to the Monteith days of leaving football games early. This has been a long standing problem and I am hoping that what I am seeing is true and that is the new Chancellor is going to get the ship going in the right direction, not just in athletics but in other areas.

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