That is going to leave a mark

NC State succeeded to erase most of the goodwill the Wolfpack had built in the early part of the season with an embarrassing 70-62 home loss to fellow projected cellar-dwellar, Virginia.

State was up ten points in the middle of the second half when Mike Wood called an ‘interesting’ charge on Dennis Horner that took 2 points off the board for us that would have extended our lead to 12.

UVa followed that possession with a three pointer and the mentally-weak Wolfpack’s collapse was just beginning . I would love to know what the scoring was in the game after the foul called on Horner.

The Wolfpack then missed free throw after free throw after free throw and couldn’t score to offset our bad defense as Virginia pulled away. For the game, the Wolfpack was a miserable 16-25 from the free throw line (61.5%) while Virginia shot a blistering 19-20 from the charity stripe.

The first 30 seconds of the game was literally a mirror into the foundational deficiencies that plague the NC State program: (1) Javi Gonzalez committed an unforced turnover in the first eight seconds of the basketball game. How is that even possible?, (2) Virginia grabbed an offensive rebound on their shot attempt just 27 seconds into the game. You couldn’t have even scripted behavior more telling than that.

I wish I could comment on Coach Lowe’s substitution pattern, but I don’t quite understand it any more than he does.

A good friend of mine emailed me the following after the game —

I don’t get emotional about NC State Basketball anymore. This is literally the first time all year I’ve wasted more than 30 mins (of my time) on a game, and I realize now why I do not dedicate any time watching this.

Why do I send you this? Because I think I probably feel the same way a lot of fans do, and it is sad. There was nobody in RBC for an ACC game on a Saturday.

Looking at our ACC schedule, there is no team we are clearly better than on the list. We’ll have a small margin for error in all our games. It could get really bad this year; I hope I am wrong.

Once again we have “hope”, with Harrow and a few others coming, which is horrible becuase “hope” is not a plan. I HATE the excuse that you have to get players, though I know it is importanct. We both know you are not a good program if you have to rely on a a great recruit to be competitive. Good coaches can overcome a certain level of talent gap by focusing on fundamentals and sound basketball. And I really don’t think our talent gap is too large in ACC competition.

So . . . if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is probably a duck. If the team gets 4 wins or less in the ACC, a real possibility, it would be appalling not to make a change. And once again, I really hope I’m wrong and get a surprise to the upside!!!

I totally understand his thoughts and his feelings. I just don’t understand why any NC State would remotely entertain any coaching move while Lee F*ing Fowler would be the AD responsible for making the hire. What coach in America do you think would want to work for that bozo? I know quite a few personally – including one in Texas – who has told his friends and inner circle there would be no way in hell they ‘would ever work for that idiot’.

As we’ve been trying to tell you for YEARS — there is NO REASON to focus or worry about any of the individual programs before you fix the biggest problem that inherently impacts every program — LEE FOWLER.

SUNDAY UPDATE (11 a.m.)

The fallout from Saturday’s loss has spilled over into Sunday now and I just can’t tell you how happy it makes me that I get the pleasure of talking about the game more.

Luke DeCock addressed State’s sloppy play in his column today in the N&O.

Also, Denny Kuiper, from the ACC Journal, touched on State/Virginia in his 3-pointer.

I don’t really have anymore to say about the game. State should have won by 8-10 points and ended up losing by eight. The one thing that really scares me about it, the more I think about it, is that this debacle came against Virginia. This wasn’t Carolina or Duke or some top tier team, it was Virginia. The next three weeks sure look like they could be loads of fun.

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159 Responses to That is going to leave a mark

  1. whope90 01/09/2010 at 3:23 PM #

    In another sad day for NC State athletics, another loss in Men’s basketball. Where does the program go from here? 11-5 and 0-2 in acc play?
    Three losses at home and a weak schedule at that. Other than a home win against NCCU, I do not see this team winning another game. Where do we go from here? I hope the team can avoid going 0-16,but is that not our hope always? To not go defeated in ACC play? It is really sad when a first year coach can bring a team to Raliegh and win by nearly 10.

  2. D_Medlin 01/09/2010 at 3:35 PM #

    I figured State would lose a game, maybe even two, because of free throw shooting. I didn’t think it would happen twice in six days.

  3. Dogbreath 01/09/2010 at 3:39 PM #

    PG: Gonzalez 36 mpg
    SG: Degand 36 mpg
    SF: Wood 36 mpg
    PF: Horner 33 mpg
    C: Smith 33 mpg

    PF: Howell 18 mpg
    C: Vandenberg 8 mpg

    The 3 guards can get two minutes of rest per half, and you can cheat a few minutes with sliding
    Horner over to the 3 while one of the guards sits. Other than that, this is the only rotation we can win with.

  4. papackman 01/09/2010 at 3:39 PM #

    I had hopes for Wolfpack Bball this year. I thought the play against Florida was encouraging, and the loss ,IMO,was somewhat of a fluke. Todays performance has dashed all hopes of a surprise breakout season. We can’t even learn to shoot a frickin foul shot for chrissakes. For the first time in his tenure, I agree with most that we need a coaching change!!!! So f#@kin disappointing!!!!!

  5. rbwolf 01/09/2010 at 3:40 PM #

    All I did was wait till the game was over and looked at the score. I was right just like I told my son we lost.I quit watching them after the northwestern game, because we are no good at basketball.I hope this shows all the WTNY people that players are not the problem it’s Lowe. This was a frist year coach and he schooled Lowe. Again I don’t understand all this talk about (they are playing with more heart). This team is no more better then last year and by the end of the year we will not have one ACC win. That will be a fact !!!!!!!!!!!! I see why Luke did not sign in the early period. After what he will see the rest of ACC play. He will go elsewhere. That will be a fact also. I hate to say things like this, this is my school but damn during basketball season I hate to tell people it is.

  6. RegularExpression 01/09/2010 at 3:46 PM #

    Groundhog day with regards to the Horner foul. That play shouldn’t have affected us to the degree that it did. But it obviously did as we tanked it from there. Dating back to HWSNBN, it just seems our teams are not able to overcome even the slighest adversity.

    Horner missing that wide open 3 that would have tied the game was a dagger. Some players have it at the end of close games, some don’t.

  7. BJD95 01/09/2010 at 3:47 PM #

    Let’s cue up some Talking Heads:

    “Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was.”

  8. wolfpackattack89 01/09/2010 at 3:48 PM #

    Ugly. You can put that entire loss on Sidney’s shoulders. His lineups are horrendous at times. He loves CJ. I don’t know why. He doesn’t rebound, create shots for other players, or score. From what I’ve seen he can’t play defense either. I’m glad Howell is finally starting to bang inside. I don’t think we’ll go 0-16 in the acc, but i think it’s safe to say we won’t win more than 3 games.

  9. CStanley 01/09/2010 at 3:50 PM #

    4 wins would be pathetic…and would be guaranteed for last place. Hard to keep a coach around after that, no matter how good the recruiting class.

    Sad thing is, I think most realized how important this game was for Sidney Lowe. As early as it is, a loss in this game really puts you behind the 8-ball. Hard to believe it, but the importance of this game and Sid’s future was critical.

    If (and I mean a BIG if) we are forced to do something this season, it will have to be carefully planned and executed early on. We can’t screw around with it this time. And, IMO, we would need to start with canning the AD. I said it 4 years ago, Lee’s fate would and should be determined with Lowe’s performance. We would need to get rid of him to avoid risking another coaching search led by him.

    We would also need to find someone early…i.e., making contact with coaches very early in the process (i.e. before the season is done). That means, the quicker we shit can Fowler, the better chance we have to get someone competent in here to lead a coaching search. Obviously, we don’t want to lose a single one of our recruits for next year. In fact, we could likely bring in Cothron AND Leslie if we get the big name coach in.

  10. rbwolf 01/09/2010 at 3:51 PM #

    Sid’s era beat the nobodies and lose to everyone else. Fours years , Four years , Four years, Four years SAME OLE SHIT

  11. Cosmo96 01/09/2010 at 3:52 PM #

    “I had hopes for Wolfpack Bball this year. I thought the play against Florida was encouraging, and the loss ,IMO,was somewhat of a fluke. Todays performance has dashed all hopes of a surprise breakout season. We can’t even learn to shoot a frickin foul shot for chrissakes. For the first time in his tenure, I agree with most that we need a coaching change!!!! So f#@kin disappointing!!!!!”

    papackman sums up my thoughts exactly. I do think, though, that we have to get that talent in here next year, and that there’s no use in trying to hire someone else with Fowler in charge.

  12. papackman 01/09/2010 at 3:59 PM #

    Hey Cosmo……..great point and my oversight…..you’re absolutely correct….Fowler gotta go first!!!!

  13. Tampa-Pack 01/09/2010 at 4:00 PM #

    Dear Chancellor,

    Sorry for what you had to witness today. Unfortunately, it pretty much sums up NC State Athletics across the board…

    Please help!

    Sincerly,

    All Wolfpack Alumni…

  14. graywolf 01/09/2010 at 4:02 PM #

    “I totally understand his thoughts and his feelings. I just don’t understand why any NC State would remotely entertain any coaching move while Lee F*ing Fowler would be the AD responsible for making the hire. What coach in America do you think would want to work for that bozo? I know quite a few personally – including one in Texas – who has told his friends and inner circle there would be no way in hell they ‘would ever work for that idiot’.”

    Well stated and very true. How sad we are at a cross roads again with Fowler as leader. Get ready for your Fowler Letter in the mail Monday.

  15. PackerInRussia 01/09/2010 at 4:06 PM #

    I don’t understand why the players are not taught to box out (I’m assuming they’re not taught because they don’t). I see them go up hard for rebounds only to have someone knife through and grab it away from them because no one is boxing out. I even saw someone (can’t remember who) duck to get out of the way of a UVA player who was going up to get the rebound. Stand your ground and it’s over the back (if the ref’s call it). It wasn’t as glaring this game (except for not boxing out) as it was the Florida game when several players simply jumped through and grabbed the rebound. When you’re not a good team, you cannot afford to not do the small things (box out/get rebounds, make free throws).
    Also, why don’t they draw up plays for Wood? It seemed like they did once where he came around a pick and curled and shot from the top of the key. He’ll learn to create his own shot (hopefully) as he progresses, but until then, it seems like you’ve got to get that guy open b/c he hits a high percentage of open shots when he has a good look.

  16. NJpack 01/09/2010 at 4:08 PM #

    Can Harper coach the men’s and women’s teams for the rest of this year? Maybe we should all write letters to Flip Saunders urging him to make Lowe an offer he can’t refuse. I can’t wait to hear his excuses for this loss.

  17. Rick 01/09/2010 at 4:11 PM #

    “I don’t understand why the players are not taught to box out (I’m assuming they’re not taught because they don’t).”

    Jimmy V’s teams were not the best fundamental teams ever but he made up for it with great in game coaching. Lowe has none of that.

  18. ncsu1 01/09/2010 at 4:12 PM #

    “Why do I send you this? Because I think I probably feel the same way a lot of fans do, and it is sad. There was nobody in RBC for an ACC game on a Saturday.”

    uh, no…. 16,289, although inflated, isn’t that far from accurate. And that’s not a bad crowd for this team.

  19. COLLEGEB413 01/09/2010 at 4:15 PM #

    Wow, I would rather have Ray Charles as our coach. Lowe couldnt finish a game if his life depended on it. Just another wasted of a season.

    LOWE has got to GO
    no offense

  20. BJD95 01/09/2010 at 4:22 PM #

    The solution remains simple:

    1) Fire Lee Fowler immediately.

    2) Have Bobby Purcell make some calls, and enlist other strategic folks for coach recruiting.

    3) Fire Sidney Lowe around March 15.

  21. wbnation 01/09/2010 at 4:23 PM #

    just let SL play out his contract…its up next year right? Allow the good recruiting class to come in and then if we are still bottom feeding then it would definitely be time to can his ass no matter who is running the show from the athletics department.

    Now stating all that, I just have to say that what I have been witnessing all year with this team is the same thing I have been witnessing it for the last 3 years….this team can’t rebound, no can create a shot, no one can dribble penetrate, no one can stop dribble penetration(just typing that makes me laugh), and now the free throw shooting has gone to shit.

    While I think Javi has improved leaps and bounds on the offensive side(minus boneheaded turnovers) he is such a liability on the defensive end. He is an average offensive guard on offense and is a horrible guard on defensive, which would make him a below average guard all the way around. Degand has the same deficiencies.

  22. Rick 01/09/2010 at 4:29 PM #

    Haven’t Brown and Harrow signed LOIs?

    Hold them to it.

  23. Bobbyj 01/09/2010 at 4:32 PM #

    hey sid, thanks for the 82-83 season, but right now you would be more of an asset to the team if you were in the stands rather than “coaching”, or what most feel like is a sub-standard attempt of random hand gestures followed by loud finger wistles at the refs or who ever your communicating to, because it shore aint the team.

  24. Justin Gainey 01/09/2010 at 4:55 PM #

    Wow, we have the worst team in the ACC by far. There is not one guy on that team, besides tracey smith, that deserves to be playing in the ACC. What a horrible, horrible team put together. THis is Sids 4th year and I haven’t seen $hit for improvement. We got beat today by a first year coach, but, Tony Bennet is a coach. Shows what a quality coach can do against a mediocre one we call a coach(well at least Fowler cals Lowe a coach). I am so tired of this team, our school, and our athletic program. We have become the laughing stock of the ACC.

  25. Primewolf 01/09/2010 at 4:58 PM #

    I have 4 lifetime right tickets on the sideline down low. Great seats for the past decade. I have over time sold tics to friends and am now only commited to 2 seats for 8 games a year.

    I am a diehard fan. But after a decade, no one in my family is interested in going any more. I have wasted alot of money the past few years on my seats. we have only been to two games this year.

    It is too painful to watch and it leaves me in a depressed state.

    I only watch them on TV if I am home. I certainly don’t plan my day around it anymore.

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