The Relevancy of Irrelevancy – Is Lack Of Athletic Success Limiting The University?

Some of the comments on the recent Monday Morning entry got me to thinking about the possible effects of our lack of athletic success on the university as a whole. I have to believe that athletics is a big component of the marketing and identity of a university (and you can make a fair case that perhaps those priorities are in the wrong order). When we lose on the field/court, are we also losing out on prospective students and faculty and extra revenue? This entry does get a little long but that’s only because I found so much good information.

Back in July, the Charleston Daily Mail interviewed Jim Clements, the new president of West Virginia University. You can read the article titled “New WVU president sees athletics as marketing vehicle” here if you like, although the article is obviously WVU-centric which may not be of interest to SFN’s readers. But there are two comments that Jim Clements made that I would like to highlight.

The first quote is:

“We have a huge impact on this state. I think people at this university very much know that we drive economic development. We drive what happens in the community. We’re engaged across every county across the state. We understand extension and outreach. This university gets it. For me, this had everything. You sit there and say, “Wow, this university is known for national research programs, quality academics, but also high-visibility sports, which brings great awareness about other things on campus. It helps recruiting. It helps recruiting faculty. It helps marketing.”

The second quote is:

“I sat last December and watched the Meineke Car Care Bowl. I watched the Mountaineers beat UNC-Chapel Hill in a great game, as you know. I turned the channel a couple hours later and West Virginia University was at Ohio State University, which was undefeated at the time, in basketball and we crushed them. You have to sit there and think “What’s the marketing value of this to the campus to have two huge wins for recruiting students, for recruiting faculty, for recruiting administrators?” There’s a significant dollar value. This year we’re on ESPN how many times? Like, five? There is value to that.”

We can only hope that the new administration at NC State would have the same outlook on the contributions a successful, highly visible athletic department can make to the university as a whole. Sports can be that hook to pull a student, a professor or a business partner to the school that allows them to discover the engineering programs, the stat department, the vet school, etc.

There are a couple of recent in-state examples of schools that got a boost in applications and interest in the school after high profile accomplishments in athletics.

A November 2007 story in the Appalachian St school newspaper gives some credit to Appy’s win over Michigan at the Big House for a 25% increase in applications. The director of admissions, Paul N. Hiatt is quoted as saying

“Almost everyone is aware of the Michigan victory…athletics did bring a lot of focus to the university, but it also brought focus to all the other positive things that are happening here”

Davidson’s run to the Elite Eight also had a positive impact on the school. According to an article on Charlotte’s WBTV.com, Davidson saw a 13% increase in applications, a 17% increase in prospective students visiting the school and has also helped football recruiting. Here are quotes from director of admissions Dave Kraus

“Did it impact national interest for Davidson? Absolutely”

and from head football coach Tripp Merritt

“If you’re a young man or woman sitting in California or Iowa or Idaho watching us in the Elight Eight.. you have a tendency to get on line maybe do a little more research.. find out what you can about Davidson College”

Another article about Davidson points out that the average daily sales at the campus bookstore is $1,700 but had $35,000 in sales the first day Sweet Sixteen t-shirts were available. The school also saw a 1200% increase in transfer inquiries and even received applications despite being past the deadline.

One could make the argument that Appy and Davidson, being smaller schools, needed those athletics successes to put themselves on the map and that NC State was already on the map, and that is a fair point.

As a counterpoint, one of the reasons given for the firing of Lennie Barton as the Alumni Relations Executive Director was “the group was struggling financially and its membership had been stagnant for years”. How many of us have been reluctant to donate money to the university after years of mediocrity in athletics (combined with the recent scandals in the administration as well as the economy)? I know I fit that category.

For another look on the impact of athletic success on applications that includes bigger schools, a January 2008 study done by professors at The Wharton School and Virginia Tech that was to be published in the Southern Economic Journal (you can download the study here) found that “football and basketball success significantly increase the quantity of applications to a school, with estimates ranging from 2-8% for the top 20 football schools and the top 16 basketball schools each year”.

The study, using data from 1983 to 2002, found that for basketball, just making the big dance gives a school a 1% increase in applications the following year, a 3% increase for Sweet Sixteen teams, a 4-5% increase for the Final Four teams and a 7-8% increase for the national champ.

For football, the study found that schools ending the season ranked in the top 20 saw a 2.5% increase in applications the following year, a 3% increase for the top 10 and a 7-8% increase for the national champ.

And if I’m understanding it correctly, the study also finds that the effect diminishes after 2-4 years, so those Philip Rivers bowl games and Julius Hodge tourney bids aren’t helping us out any more. The study also looks at the SAT score range for the applicants as well as increases in admissions which you can read about if you are so inclined.

Here is a great article from Hawaii Business about the potential effects of Hawaii’s recent Sugar Bowl appearance that has some great information on George Mason and Boise State.

George Mason:

GMU president Alan G. Merten couldn’t put his finger on the dollar value of all the free publicity the school received, but school officials did have precise numbers on some of the results. In 2006, the school saw freshmen applications increase by 20 percent, while the number and size of campus tours for prospective students and parents nearly tripled. In addition, online registration to GMU’s alumni directory grew 52 percent, which resulted in a 24 percent increase in alumni e-mail addresses on file and a 25 percent increase in alumni activity.

Why is this so important? Easy: A proud alumni network is a generous alumni network. In 2006, GMU received more than $23.2 million in new gifts and pledge payments compared to $19.6 million the previous year. Donations to athletic programs increased by 25 percent, general scholarship support nearly tripled and unrestricted gifts to the university increased by nearly 45 percent.

Boise State:

Online inquiries from prospective students increased 135 percent, with the university’s graduate college receiving 10 times as many application inquiries compared to the previous year. Overall, resulting applications increased by 9.1 percent, which netted a 3.5 percent rise in enrollment. For the first time in its history, BSU’s student body exceeded 19,000.
Moneywise, the school foundation raised approximately $16 million for fiscal year ’07, the second highest total on record. So far, its $175-million campaign, initiated in 2006, has already collected $78.6 million. On campus, the university’s bookstore earned $1.75 million in profits in 2006, selling $752,000 in school insignia merchandise in December, a month before the Fiesta Bowl. The store’s previous best month was December 2004 when it sold $359,000 in merchandise before the team’s appearance in the Liberty Bowl later that month. For comparison, in 1997, the bookstore’s annual sales from school insignia items totaled just $220,000.

George Mason and Boise St are smaller schools but, as the article shows, the effect can be found in bigger schools like Missouri in 2007:

During the Tigers’ rise to No. 1 in the football polls, admission applications increased by 20 percent and donations pick up, too, on a pace to surpass 2006’s totals by $6 million.

The references to Doug Flutie in the Hawaii article led me to find this article in the Boston College Magazine that discusses the “Flutie Factor”

The number of applications to BC did increase 30 percent over Flutie’s junior and senior years.

At Georgetown University, whose men’s basketball team appeared in NCAA championship games in 1982, 1984, and 1985, applications rose 45 percent between 1983 and 1986. And freshman enrollment at Gonzaga University rose from 549 to 979 between 1997 and 2001, years in which Gonzaga’s men’s basketball team outplayed some of the nation’s powerhouses in the NCAA tournament. Were there other reasons for the rise of Georgetown and Gonzaga? No doubt, but they were not nationally televised.

BC does downplay the “Flutie Factor” as the article also points out that BC already had steady increases in applications (including a 9% increase in 1978 when the football team went 0-11) due to things like increased student housing and programs to build national enrollment. So there are obviously other factors involved but like the quote above says, “they were not nationally televised”.

With the mediocrity on the football field and basketball court, is NC State missing out on potential engineering students that are applying to Georgia Tech or Virginia Tech because they have good football teams? Is NC State missing out on money from donations and merchandise sales? Is NC State missing out on other publicity and marketing opportunities that come from athletic success? I think we probably are, what do you think?

And as the Hawaii Business article points out, “Why is this so important? Easy: A proud alumni network is a generous alumni network.”

About WV Wolf

Graduated from NCSU in 1996 with a degree in statistics. Born and inbred in West "By God" Virginia and now live in Raleigh where I spend my time watching the Wolfpack, the Mountaineers and the Carolina Hurricanes as well as making bar graphs for SFN. I'm @wvncsu on the Twitter machine.

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40 Responses to The Relevancy of Irrelevancy – Is Lack Of Athletic Success Limiting The University?

  1. coyotejoe 11/20/2009 at 7:59 PM #

    Hey GoldenChain, speaking of that catch phrase, I also remember a retaliatory catch phrase that some Wolfpack fans displayed on bumper stickers: “I’d rather have the clap than Carolina Fever!”

  2. packpowerfan 11/20/2009 at 8:14 PM #

    Dad indoctrinated me HARDCORE as a kid with stories of 83′, so being a huge sports fan, I can be honest in saying that if I didn’t have an ingrained love for NCSU, I would have gone elsewhere. Poultry Science is offered at UT-Austin, and I would have jumped ship to head out there if I didn’t bleed red, and if my parents were operating on the income of two public school teachers.

    FYI, I’m currently thinking about grad school, and Texas tops my list over State. Sad but true…

    WV Wolf, did you find any statistics on Appalachian State’s admission spike after each championship? I have heard all kinds of rumors, ranging from double to four times the applicants. Just wondering if you caught anything substantial about that.

  3. blpack 11/20/2009 at 9:37 PM #

    This is such a great article and hits at what makes a good athletic dept and ultimately a college good vs. great. In our case we are failing to hit on the mediocre level athleticlly as a dept.

  4. Primewolf 11/21/2009 at 12:06 AM #

    Nice post.

    It should be obvious to anyone with half a brain.

    For the first time in almost 40 years of membership in the WPC and a rank of about 250, I am losing interest.

    The article discussed the positives of a strong athlethic program, but it didn’t mention the negatives. the negatives are devastating over time. Reduced attendance, reduced contributions, falling behind in all sports, and general apathy of the alumni. I think NC State suffers from all of those. Our alumni assoc membership is well below national % averages.

  5. wolfonthehill 11/21/2009 at 8:30 AM #

    And again, as I said in the prior thread, your academic ranking typically DEPENDS on your acceptance rate. The higher your acceptance rate, the lower your ranking… and vice versa.

    So the quickest, easiest way to drive your so-called “objective” academic rank upward is to drive the number of applicants upward, holding the number of students admitted constant. And the quickest, easiest way to drive your applicants up is to achieve athletic success.

    This is not hard. It’s not a mystery. And it’s by far the biggest reason unc-ch is ranked in the 20’s and we’re in the 80’s.

    Why WE understand this and our administration does not is simply inexplicable and suggests incompetence.

  6. coppertop 11/21/2009 at 8:42 AM #

    Unfortunately, I like football too much to pull the plug on my WPC donations. I’ve paid off half of my LTR seats. As much as I’d love to boycott donating, I don’t want to give this up. If not for the LTR seating, I’d just buy tickets outside the gate. I’m afraid as soon as I stop buying tickets, we’ll show up with a great team.

    This is also my fear as I am a lifetime rights holder who sells his tickets every year so that eventually when I get stationed back in NC I will have some standing in the WPC, decent seats and better than average parking…

    ON another note, I also am looking at grad schools and after attending from 95-00 I’d like to be a student at a school with decent football team, I bleed red and white and don’t see that changing but the ineptitude at most levels (easly, Grad rates, fowler) at this university is keeping me away from even considering applying to NCSU.

    I also recently finished one grad degree from Boston University.. Only a coincidence that their colors are red and white! But I now know what it’s like to be a student at a school that wins a national championship, it’s a great feeling. Hence my desire to go to a school for the next one with a good football program and academic course that fits my needs.

    regardless, fantastic article. Thanks for the insight, hopefully this story gets told outside of ncsu’s lunatic fringe!

  7. redwolf87 11/21/2009 at 12:06 PM #

    Outstanding article. It would be great if this hit the print/local media in its entirety.

    Will never happen, but wouldn’t it be great to hear the current administration respond to this, with some type of defense other than “we’ve got nice buildings”?

    I’ve got two pieces of paper from NCSU, have had deep pride in the University, and a daughter about two years from going to college, but I’m not so gung-ho about her going to State, with everything going on there now. How could you be? Not just athletics, but it’s a major part of it. Athletics, rightly or wrongly, form local and national perceptions, and consequently affect what doors you get your foot in starting out.

  8. highstick 11/21/2009 at 12:35 PM #

    I’ve been preaching the same thing for years, although not as eloquently, nor supporting by the information you quote.

    When you set a tone of mediocrity at the top, sooner or later, it permeates the organization.

  9. NCSU84 11/21/2009 at 8:35 PM #

    I think the article is correct and I think most of us have known this for years. However, regarding the current state of NCSU, there is one issue that we are overlooking. The present administration has an INTERIM chancellor and, as a result, we cannot expect much emphasis on athletics until this situation is resolved. In fact, the new chancellor will probably not have athletics on the list of priorities for many of the reasons already mentioned here and on previous posts. Unfortunately, it may be several years before the administration recognizes the facts that are mentioned in the article. We could get lucky and recruit a prof from Texas or Kentucky to be our next chancellor (one who understands the importance of athletics) – but history would indicate otherwise.

  10. sholtzma 11/22/2009 at 10:04 AM #

    I’ll comment on just one aspect of the original post and quoted article: the idea that a successful athletics program makes it easier to recruit faculty is, on the surface, nothing short of silly. None of the statistics mentioned here say anything about potential faculty caring one way or another about the athletic success of a potential school. Those potential faculty are concerned about THEIR facilities (offices, labs, classrooms, libraries, etc); THEIR compensation; the ACADEMIC quality of the students, programs, and culture of the school; and the presence of the RIGHT (i.e., academic) values and leadership in the administration. Now, if the implied point is that athletic success brings in more money that is used to recruit faculty, that is another argument entirely. But the athletic reputation of a school, in and of itself, means little to nothing when it comes to recruiting faculty. And if it DID mean something, those wouldn’t be the faculty you would want at your school.

  11. 85Designo 11/22/2009 at 11:06 AM #

    As I watched in disgust the Va Tech game with my 9th grader, (a pack fan since conception) he says to me “Dad why did you ever want to go to NC State”? I replied “good school” for my graduate degree, “I had a good time, I was there for the 83 National Championship” I told him “things should be better by the time he gets there”. His reply was heart breaking! “who said I want to even go there” In a nut shell sports fans! He is a top honor student. His first pick ….Florida
    wonder why?

  12. nycfan 11/23/2009 at 1:29 PM #

    I’ve often read the argument that athletics are the “front porch” of a University, an opportunity to make a good impression and look inviting.

    But as others have noted, the University itself has to have genuine academic accomplishment for that invitation to mean anything. [I must say, though, that Golden Chain should not have included the Big Ten in his list of successful sports conferences without great academic reputations; the Big Ten is full of terrific public Universities.] Harvard and Yale and MIT (among many) are just fine without big time athletic programs, but for the most part they also have tremendous Good Will in their long history and academic standing.

    In any event, the fact of the matter is that State’s leadership seems to have misunderstood the front porch analogy, and focused on actual facilities construction as the gateway as opposed to competitive success. Facilities are just the ante to keep playing the game.

    I’ve said this on the boards, but I think it is a perfect microcosm: look at the difference between how UNC and NCSU have handled the 100 year anniversary this season. UNC has more to sell givent he gap in basketball performance the last 20 years but the half-*** effort by NCSU is flatly embarrassing. The “official” logo is a joke and State has generated virtually no positive coverage — it makes you wonder why they even bothered. What could be a chance to invite people in to experience the history of what State has meant to college basketball (and thereby to explore everything else NCSU has to offer) turned into a short notice (to people that go out of their way to discover that State is “celebrating” 100 years of anything) that not even the people at NC State actually care enought to, you know, hire a profesional firm (or even some one from your design school) to design a logo.

  13. smfrank 11/23/2009 at 3:02 PM #

    I do believe that our lack of athletic success does hinder the University’s perception. But there are other factors that are being addressed as we speak. The “academic facilities” 5 years ago were becoming outdated. The grounds, in large part due to the overuse of red brick, were not very sightly and the only thing holding the landscape together were the great old trees. At this time too, our favorite neighboring schools were making pushes in technology fields. (While we have pride in the engineering dept, it has fallen in the past 2 decades as well) The business partnerships, facilities, and feel of Centenniel Campus will greatly improve this area.

    The staff at State has lately given the school major remodeling providing higher standard dorm rooms, better food, and generally a more attractive campus. The academic facilities on Centenniel Campus are far beyond what I can imagine many in-state school being able to provide. As well, Hillsborough is currently under major construction. But I believe when the bulk of the road work is done and the landscape takes place on this street – NCSU will have completely turned around its appearance.

    Add to this, the revamped downtown Raleigh (which has never been close to what it is now) and NCSU offers a “city life” to fit next to its college atmosphere. I’m proud of my school, and feel as if we are in the brink of breaking through a recession. Our administration hasn’t done what it needs in terms of athletics, but I believe they are working hard in terms of providing a more attractive school and bettering the academics. The one thing our adminstration needs to learn is that kids are kids, and kids want a true “college” experience and not to be pricks when it comes to removing some of the traditions that you can only experience when you’re young.

  14. Pack84 11/23/2009 at 3:17 PM #

    I can’t remember if I’ve shared this story here or not. If I have please forgive me.

    My daughter was raised an NC State fan. She was dressed in NC State gear as a baby. And as I write this her closet is still full of NC State stuff. Over the years she and I have attended numerous football and basketball (mens and womens) games.

    Fast forward to 2008. She graduated Valedictorian of her high school class with an SAT score in the top 5% of HS seniors in the country. There were only two schools in which she was interested in applying – NC State and Appalachian St. She was accepted at both.

    You can probably guess where this is going. Now I’m sure if you asked her she would tell you that athletics played little to no part in her decision. But I can’t shake this nagging feeling that it played a BIG part.

    She’s now a sophomore at App. State.

    Anybody that thinks that athletic success doesn’t enhance a positive overall image of a university is deluding themselves.

  15. harrisek 11/25/2009 at 9:11 PM #

    Just one nit to pick. You state that George Mason is a “smaller school”. Mason’s current enrollment is over 32,000 students, larger than NC State, larger than it’s sister in-state public schools Virginia and Virginia Tech. I know, a small point, but we need to get the facts right.

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