Shocking – Lee Fowler Still Doesn’t Get It

Lodged deep within the N&O’s write-up of the upcoming Wolfpack hoops season (all WTNY, all the time, just like the buffoonish duo of Fowler and Lowe want it) is this little gem from Fowler’s always jabbering mouth:

Too many times, loyalty’s a one-way street. Fans want the coach to be loyal to them, but they’re not loyal to the coach.

Pardon my language, but this is the biggest crock of shit Lee Fowler has ever served up (and that’s really saying something). It’s a perfect microcosm of his asinine philosophy – by being “loyal” and almost never firing anybody, no matter how weak the results, he believes he will get “loyalty” in return. That is, should one of his coaches turns out to have a clue, they’ll stick around and not seek other jobs or ask for a raise. Seriously – that’s how this man “thinks.”

Assuming you have an IQ above room temperature, you understand that 21st century college athletics is a big business, not a “Mom and Pop” operation. Hell, that’s been true for almost fifty years. And no, Lee, the vast majority of fans (again, with the room temperature vs. IQ caveat) don’t want loyalty. They want results. And frankly, I expect the ones that get those results to be paid commensurately with what they deliver. That’s why I have been a paying member of the Wolfpack Club since the day I graduated – so that we have the resources to attract and keep winners.

Of course, you can imagine what kind of coaches are attracted to the “no pressure, we just want loyalty!” ground rules. That’s right, coaches who can’t hack it on the open market. Where winning brings financial reward, and losing brings a pink slip. The most determined, driven, and ultimately successful coaches aren’t worried about failure. They don’t need Clueless Lee’s security blanket. And that’s why Wolfpack athletics will be stuck in a seemingly endless cycle of mediocrity.

We learned last spring that at least one major donor values having a golf buddy over leadership that strives for championships. And apparently the other heavy hitters who feel otherwise don’t feel it strongly enough to draw a line in the sand. You and I can’t change that sad state of affairs, but you can stop enabling this twisted regime.

About BJD95

1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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123 Responses to Shocking – Lee Fowler Still Doesn’t Get It

  1. coppertop 11/12/2009 at 8:13 PM #

    we were marginalized a long time before fowler came along. While he is not the solution, there is no need to call for any coaches head just yet in football or basketball.

    While I am not a fan of fowler I don’t think he is so inept that his only good PR move was to label the fanbase the luntic fringe. The reality is there are a lot of unhappy fans who don’t like how little success we’ve had over the past decade or two. and rightly so, however, even before valvano was fired or sheridan retired, our football team was streaky as was baskeball. We enjoyed a heck of a lot more success in basketball obviously but as evidenced by the basketball stat post recently there is clear up and down trends in our program. check a power house, a continual power house, a USC, Ohio state or Alabama in football or our neighbors to the north west in basketball and you’d see a lot more consistancey, especially in the last 30 years in the modern sports era than we ever enjoyed.

    It sucks, but it doesn’t make me less of a state fan, or make me want to stop supporting the team, players and coaches. It doesn’t make me want to quit being a state fan, in fact in gives me a great deal of pride to be with other state fans, and a shared outlook when I meet other fans. It’s like pulling for no other team, and nor would I question that allegiance. While I may not like the leader, it doesn’t change my affinity to the university and all that it has meant and continues to mean.
    I do believe that there are plenty of bad apples in the athletic department and administration. I think that your average professor supports their department and tries to do their job to the best of their ability. The problem at ncsu starts at the top with a questionable assortment of BOT members who are being rooted out because of the easely scandal. Our interim chancellor is just what we need, an outsider to come in and clean up. Hopefully this will spread into the athletic department but we shall see.

    Overall, our leadership is suspect, Purcell IMHO is the one bright spot in senior administration. So when I write my check to the WPC, its in support of them and of the many student athletes, not coaches, whose scholarships depend on our dollars.

  2. Baylisascaris 11/12/2009 at 8:30 PM #

    I too am done giving money. I have an account set aside that I will use if/when Jed gets the ziggy. Until then I will witness the carnage from afar.

  3. BAC79 11/12/2009 at 9:06 PM #

    Second half State leads 37-35. Wow looks like a great season ahead.

  4. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 11/12/2009 at 10:24 PM #

    NC State is a great university. Fans should see be able to see that the school is a leader in research even with all the problems with athletics and the other issues.

  5. Wulfpack 11/12/2009 at 10:43 PM #

    And your point is what? This is a thread about LF demeaning our fans, yet again. So because we have a great university, LF should be immune to any criticism? If you are truly interested in NCSU striving for excellence, LF must be removed.

  6. CStanley 11/12/2009 at 10:55 PM #

    ^^ Hey Bob!

  7. Cardiff Giant 11/12/2009 at 11:05 PM #

    I was trying to remember what Little Head Jed’s “loyalty” comment reminded me of; I finally have it: Captain Philip Francis Queeg of the USS Caine. Queeg was constantly prattling in his crazy way about “loyalty upward” and “loyalty downward” and such rot.

    Fowler as Captain Queeg. It fits like a glove.

  8. hball57 11/12/2009 at 11:25 PM #

    from coach13-

    hball…you sound like a 60’s peace freak! Why can’t we all just love one another. Your comments are neither intelligent nor swaying. Fowler does not put emphasis on winning period, and he hates State fans calling him on it. You can shove the “let’s all be nice” crap.

    Well I am no longer disappointed. Someone has lived up to my expectations!

    This thread is about a sentence that Lee Fowler said that I think some may disagree about what he was referring to. How long was the conversation? Was that his only point? I don’t take offense from it, because he wasn’t labeling ALL State fans (I contend he wasn’t labeling State fans at all). I think many let their agenda consume them. They become super sensitive. Our current AD has a slow trigger on coaches. Fans – not State fans but fans in general – have a quick trigger. I’ve seen both methods work and both methods fail.

    We have the coaches we will have for the 2009-2010 school year. I would rather focus on the teams through the year, not the AD.

  9. WV Wolf 11/12/2009 at 11:25 PM #

    I have to agree to some degree with tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc. There are some brilliant people (students and professors) on State’s campus, just as one example there seems to be some very cool research going on at the vet school. Then you’ve got individual athletes winning national championships, you’ve got a kid like Toney Baker working so hard to come back and play well.

    The problem is the leadership in the university and the athletic department aren’t close to the level these people need and deserve. Seems like they’re succeeding in spite of their leaders instead of the way it should be.

    I can’t speak for the leadership farther down the chain but those at the top have not been doing things the right way.

  10. ktforres 11/13/2009 at 12:07 AM #

    I was playing soccer this evening during the end of the basketball game and when I got out to my car the first place I went to see the result of the game was Statefansnation.

    Now I would be happy to see Lee Fowler gone as much as the next NCSU fan would. But to me, being a fan is more about cheering for the team on the court and on the field than it is about bashing the guys in the office.
    Very sad.

  11. coppertop 11/13/2009 at 2:05 AM #

    I really love this blog and forums, but I’ve also noticed the slant lately towards promoting the bashing of fowler, not saying it isn’t deserved but there used to be other content in addition to it.

  12. Wulfpack 11/13/2009 at 8:12 AM #

    I’ll say it again. If you are interested in the athletic success of NC State, you might want to take notice of the fact that it is being lead by one of the most inept administrators in the country. Sure, we still support our coaches and athletes. But as long as he’s still in charge, we’re in trouble. An organization is only as strong as its weakest link. As it turns out, our weakest link is our most important administrator. That’s a recipe for disaster, and you cannot disconnect the correllation between his mismanagement and the continued decline of our programs.

  13. Defenestrator 11/13/2009 at 8:21 AM #

    Michigan Athletic Director Bill Martin on Wednesday asked for patience from his fans and reiterated his full support for coach Rich Rodriguez.

    “Of course we’re all concerned, but the message is simple: to have patience,” Martin said. “Those who stay will be champions. That’s what Bo [Schembechler] always said. I am all in for Rich Rodriguez. He will get the job done for us. He has assembled an excellent staff. He has got my full support.”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=4645703

  14. Sam92 11/13/2009 at 9:00 AM #

    the number of comments on this post is very telling — lee fowler’s ineptitude is still driving us, we care about it, deeply

    i say – let him have it with both barrels

    the thing that makes me saddest is that i think the problems are higher up than lee; the board of trustees doesn’t care that ncsu athletics sucks, they’re quite content the way things are, and that is gloomy indeed

  15. BJD95 11/13/2009 at 9:31 AM #

    Rich Rodriguez is finishing up his SECOND season, with a very good track record elsewhere.

  16. Defenestrate 11/13/2009 at 9:41 AM #

    Certainly, BJD. Just citing an example where a good AD supports his coach without slamming the fans.

  17. coppertop 11/13/2009 at 9:43 AM #

    i could not agree more Sam92

  18. BJD95 11/13/2009 at 9:47 AM #

    ^^ Ah, good point. It was too early in the morning for me to properly infer context!

  19. 66pack 11/13/2009 at 10:01 AM #

    someone mentioned the BOT.Please compare the backgrounds of the state bot with the unc-ch BOT.

  20. Rick 11/13/2009 at 10:52 AM #

    “I really love this blog and forums, but I’ve also noticed the slant lately towards promoting the bashing of fowler, not saying it isn’t deserved but there used to be other content in addition to it.”

    On the entire front page there is ONE article about Fowler. So what are you talking about?

  21. choppack1 11/13/2009 at 11:34 AM #

    “And chop, I’ve thought about trying to get NC State on A and E’s “Intervention.”

    that would be an interesting segment. I can just see it now, the family taking down all the state stuff and throwing it in the garbage. You walk into the room surrounded by family, “That Gator Bowl picture and the Hodge picture were the only good State memories I had!!!”

    Geez, the more you think about it, that Lee Fowler fellow has a lot of damn nerve.

  22. Scooter 11/13/2009 at 11:43 AM #

    All would probably be forgiven and forgotten with Fowler if we showed some results in the form of winning. The problem is that we’ve been given enough dog-and-pony-show events where we’ve signed big name recruits, etc. that we’ve grown numb to them. The fans’ disdain for Fowler is a combination of his comments coupled with declining results. The problem is that as the money has gone up, success has gone down. Unless you measure results in the form of new buildings.

    Bill Parcells said, “You are your record.” As the AD, Fowler gets judged by the overall performance of all sports. Not just football, basekball, baseball, etc, but also volleyball, soccer, etc. The fearful thing is that we are dead last in nearly all sports in the ACC.

    Fowler’s message upon arrival was that bringing in money and upgrading fuhcilutees would bring success. The fans paid (and are still paying, thank you lifetime rights!) but have seen no light in the darkness of NC State sports.

    Given the amount of money that fans have shelled out for this problem, I think we have a right to be peaved. Especially when considering the body of work regarding his comments on the fan base. Given that the program is stuck in neutral at a stoplight in San Francisco and Fowler some-what routinely directs negative commentary towards the fanbase, I can’t imagine that the fans’ distaste and distain towards him is a difficult concept to grasp.

    To put it this way, UNC fans have expressed their love of the man to me. Case closed.

  23. Alpha Wolf 11/13/2009 at 2:04 PM #

    ^ And until recently, Dick Baddour was not exactly the Tar Heel Fan favorite.

    NC State needs to have special leadership to reboot its athletics pretty much from the ground up. It needs someone like some of the hardass professors scattered across the colleges that accept nothing less than excellence in order to get a good grade. And it needs someone with the passion, the social grace and the management ability to lead it all.

    That doesn’t mean hire a guy who’s willing to drop the axe on a coach for a bad year. That doesn’t mean hire a guy who sticks his finger in the air to see which way the fans are blowing the wind. It does mean having a guy who is willing to outline attainable, reasonable goals and demand that people be held to meeting them.

    That’s reasonable and fair. Try missing your goals here at my company and see how many years you last. Try it at yours, or most anywhere else.

    State’s fans have done and are doing their part.

    Now it’s time for athletic leadership to do theirs.

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