The Unholy Trilogy and Other Groups of Distinction

On a blog entry on Buster Sports, author Dave Nathan has discovered what he believes to be the three worst college football and basketball teams from 2006 to 2009. There are three BCS schools that have had 3 straight losing seasons in football while also missing the NCAA men’s basketball tournament. Of course, NC State is a member of this “unholy trilogy” along with Colorado and Iowa St.

I had done a similar entry in May of last year about BCS schools that didn’t make a bowl game, the men’s basketball tourney and the women’s basketball tourney and BCS schools that didn’t go to a bowl or the men’s tourney.

NC State is also one of six BCS schools that did not go to a bowl and also didn’t make the men’s tourney each of the last two seasons. Interestingly, there was one school in each conference.
• NC State
• Syracuse
• Northwestern
• Iowa St
• Washington
• Ole Miss

A quick update on this group: NC State, Northwestern and Ole Miss went to bowl games last year while Syracuse and Washington made the big dance, leaving Iowa St as the only BCS school to not go to a bowl and the men’s tourney each of the last 3 years.

There are some other groups of distinction where NC State is a member. Did you know that NC State is one of eight BCS schools (and the only ACC school) that has never played in any of the four BCS bowls (Rose, Fiesta, Sugar and Orange)? Those eight schools are:
• NC State
• Iowa St
• Rutgers
• South Carolina
• Texas Tech
• Vanderbilt
• UConn*
• South Florida*
* didn’t join Big East until 2005

Here is another group, since Lee Fowler has been AD (from 2000-2001), NC State is one of 16 BCS schools that have not won a team national championship:
• NC State
• Virginia Tech
• Pitt
• Rutgers
• Purdue
• Iowa St
• Kansas St
• Missouri
• Texas Tech
• Washington St
• Kentucky
• Mississippi St
• Ole Miss
• Cincinnati*
• Louisville*
• South Florida*
* didn’t join Big East until 2005

That means that 50 of the 66 BCS schools (75.8%) have won at least one team national championship in the past nine years. Of course, NC State is in the bottom 25%.

Although, in the category of national titles NC State is one of 14 schools to have won multiple national championships in men’s basketball.

There are two other groups that NC State is a member of that my fellow stat major ruffles31 has researched. In the nine years where Lee Fowler has been AD, there are four BCS schools (and only 3 full-time) that have failed to win a conference title in any of the four major revenue or high profile sports (football, men’s basketball, women’s basketball, baseball):
• NC State
• Texas Tech
• Arkansas
• South Florida*

If you take that analysis a little further, you will find an even more exclusive group (although the time frame was selected for more personal reasons than you might usually do for an analysis). Since myself, ruffles31 and the rest of the NCSU Class of 1996 came to campus at the beginning of the 1992-1993 season there is one full-time BCS school that has not won a single conference title in football, men’s basketball, women’s basketball or baseball:

NC State

If I had gone to any other BCS school (other than South Florida*) I would have at least one t-shirt in a drawer somewhere with the name of my alma mater and the word “Champion” underneath.

State’s last conference title in the major revenue sports was baseball in 1991-1992, coincidently the season before I became a State fan.

So Dave Nathan, I take your Unholy Trinity and raise you to the Impossible One. Just to repeat:

From the beginning of the 1992-1993 season, NC State is the only full-time BCS school that has not won a single conference title in football, men’s basketball, women’s basketball or baseball.

Take that Colorado and Iowa State.

About WV Wolf

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56 Responses to The Unholy Trilogy and Other Groups of Distinction

  1. Khan 10/29/2009 at 9:50 AM #

    “Just curious, are some of you that are complaining now, the same ones complaining when we were dancin every year?”

    Can anyone tell me the value of getting only to the first or second round of the NCAA tournament if that is your ceiling? If you can never get past that, why is that satisfactory?

    Sure, you get to watch a couple more games, but why is it so wonderful to be slightly above average with no hope of ever doing anything special? And don’t give me the lame “we get more exposure” argument. That only helps if you can market your program well and bring in elite talent and use that talent to excel, none of which we have proven we can do.

    Most certainly, I’d like to be better than last, but if you have NO HOPE of ever being first in anything, does really even matter if you’re average, marginally above average, or even somewhat above average other than to say “at least we don’t suck as bad as whoever is below us”?

  2. WTNY 10/29/2009 at 9:58 AM #

    As we drove along on a beautiful fall afternoon, I was having a conversation with my son along these exact lines.

    We missed the Duke game because he had the swine flu and we were laughing about which was worse — the flu or the game.

    Then he asked about basketball. “We probably won’t be any good this year,” I said. “In fact we have been picked to finish last this year.”

    “In the country?” He asked with wonder.

    “No, although we were picked #119 in the country.”

    “Oh.”

    After a few more miles on this back road he asked, “what sports are we good at?”

    “Well,” I stalled, “cross country, golf, gymnastics, sometimes wrestling, and rifle.”

    “Rifle?” He laughed.

    As he went in the house, I sighed.

  3. DRW 10/29/2009 at 10:07 AM #

    ^^+1

  4. codebrown 10/29/2009 at 10:11 AM #

    It’s obvious to me now that I went to State for the academics…

  5. TOBtime 10/29/2009 at 10:30 AM #

    Pathetic. In the military the term used is “Gross Incompetence”. It’s why commanders get relieved.
    Heck no we shouldn’t settle for a 1st or 2nd round tourney exit every year. We have 2 NC banners hanging. When you’ve been to the top you know what it takes to get there – or you get someone who does. Part of the someone who does is getting an individual who believes you can and instills that belief in the organization. We shouldn’t settle for jacksh*t except excellence. The excellence won’t always manifest itself as a NC but it will be seen on the field or court as 100% effort from coaches and players. When you have the belief AND effort the results will eventually come.

  6. Bubba 10/29/2009 at 10:38 AM #

    BJD

    I would be interested in hearing your perceived “our institutional advantages for basketball at NCState”

    Thanks

    Also: I wasn’t insinuating that anyone should be happy with where we were 3 -4 yrs ago. Just seems funny that some article inre: to the last 3 yrs would draw much ire from some.IMO, sports at schools like NCState will always be cyclical in nature.It wasn’t long ago that we were one of only a few that went to bowl games and NCAAT every yr.

  7. BJD95 10/29/2009 at 10:48 AM #

    Large state university, impressive arena and overall facilities, urban setting, good climate, large booster/fan base that is desperate for a winner, premier conference affiliation.

    NC State has everything that a good basketball coach could ever need or want. After the “golden three” jobs (Kentucky, UCLA, UNC), NC State is in the next group of 20 or so jobs that provide the essential infrastructure.

  8. KChill 10/29/2009 at 10:52 AM #

    It’s a good thing the recruits don’t seem to be listening to everyone saying how “BAD” our basketball program is. Great job by our coaching staff for spending countless hours on the recruiting trail to successfully convince them otherwise…truthfully, I believe. BJD, wonder why we had such a hard time finding an established coach, since our BBall program is one step below the holy grail?

  9. VaWolf82 10/29/2009 at 11:01 AM #

    wonder why we had such a hard time finding an established coach,

    Well, when you put an idiot in charge…..

  10. BJD95 10/29/2009 at 11:06 AM #

    First, we misplayed the Barnes situation. Second, we had/have a moron AD who didn’t have a “B list” and panicked over the need to land a “name” guy. Very simple.

  11. IMFletcherWolf 10/29/2009 at 11:32 AM #

    WTNY: That conversation with your son concering State athletics has been/is repeated in many households I’m sure. It’s a shame that our overall athletic performance is so pathetic, but it’s typical NC State for the last 10+ years.

  12. Wulfpack 10/29/2009 at 11:40 AM #

    We could have had Barnes. We all know that.

  13. SMD 10/29/2009 at 11:53 AM #

    I was talking with a buddy about this lack of winning, and raised a good point that in a way, he feels bad about raising his kids to love NC State because they’ve never seen us win anything. And they’re starting to openly ask him – “will we ever win anything?” Sigh.

    I’ve said this before but it bears repeating; I will always love and pull for NC State. But the death of even striving for excellence in athletics means that each year, I will put less and less passion and resources into following our athletic programs. I am moving on with life and finding other things to have fun with.

  14. tootallorder 10/29/2009 at 12:14 PM #

    I cracked open the new Wolfpacker magazine that arrived today. This issue does not have the usual “New Members” list. I guess there weren’t any last month.

  15. RTPMedic 10/29/2009 at 12:29 PM #

    What’s it gonna take to make a change? Really…. Anyone, anyone?

  16. RTPMedic 10/29/2009 at 12:32 PM #

    “Just curious, are some of you that are complaining now, the same ones complaining when we were dancin every year?”

    Dancing, huh? OK… Our ‘dancing’ then was kinda like going to the dance with your cousin. Yeah, you ‘were there’ and ‘were dancing’, but still had a LOSER sign posted on your back!

  17. DRW 10/29/2009 at 1:13 PM #

    “What’s it gonna take to make a change? Really…. Anyone, anyone?”

    I think the only way is for there to be huge decline in contributions to the WPC and bunches of people stopping buying season tickets.

    But with the LTR’s they have a lot of people over a freaking barrel because if you stop buying and you decide later to come back, you’re down at the bottom of the list.

  18. 61Packer 10/29/2009 at 1:18 PM #

    I also got the Wolfpacker magazine today, noting that the cover was titled Legends And Champions- NC State Celebrates Its 100th Season.

    Pray tell what’s there to celebrate? Everything that’s relevant about Wolfpack basketball is in the distant past (1989 and back). If there’s no significant present, there’s not likely going to be a significant future.

    In a 1972 song, Rick Nelson sang “If memories were all I had, I’d rather drive a truck”. That just about sums it up.

  19. elvislives 10/29/2009 at 2:02 PM #

    Wow, impressive stat pulling guys. This was like reading an affirmation, reinforcement and punctuation of NC State having become the end-all, be-all worst athletic school (for big time team sports) in the country. Truly a god-awful major sports athletic program.

    I’ve never given a penny to the athletic program and would encourage everyone else to consider this article before financially supporting NC State athletics in the future. “Hit ’em in the wallets” is truly the only way that change will come from any of what we’ve seen for nearly the last 20 years.

    I still want to see an NC State/Iowa State showdown.

  20. Noah 10/29/2009 at 3:07 PM #

    “What’s it gonna take to make a change? Really…. Anyone, anyone?”

    The financial dollars being left on the side of the road have to exceed the dollars being contributed by Lee Fowler’s patron.

  21. WV Wolf 10/29/2009 at 3:44 PM #

    I think I have discovered part of our problem.

    Where did Oblinger get his masters and PhD?

    You guessed it.

    Iowa State

  22. BassPacker 10/29/2009 at 3:49 PM #

    Holy Trinity or Holy Crap !! Those stats really drive home the message how bad we have become. Are the idiots that be at NCSU Athletics not seeing this. What a joke we have become. I used to take issue when Tarhole fans said we suck. Not any more, the truth hurts.

    Damn Lee Fowler and all who let this happen to the once proud Red & White.

  23. scotchzombie 10/29/2009 at 4:24 PM #

    SMD, well said and I’ve had that same conversation with my boys. At ages 4 and 6, they already bleed Red, but are asking questions about the losses. I guess there are lessons there about loyalty, perseverance, etc. but I wonder whether I’ve indoctrinated by kids into a frustrating lifetime of hopes raised and dashed. Just sad.

  24. CaptainCraptacular 10/29/2009 at 4:27 PM #

    Please let our next chancellor have had prior ties to a university that emphasizes athletics.

  25. LRM 10/29/2009 at 6:14 PM #

    “It’s a good thing the recruits don’t seem to be listening to everyone saying how “BAD” our basketball program is.”

    That’s just because they’re far too busy with their coursework at Hargrave and Georgia Tech, and hanging out in Lexington to keep up with what folks on SFN think.

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