Pack Signs Aussie Center

vandenbergI have been waiting for a news article on Jordan Vandenberg to link to, but it doesn’t seem forthcoming. So, here’s a link to The Wolfpacker, with very little information.

My take is that Vandenberg is a 7-foot center project. However, that is not a criticism. He’s not a bad fallback option when you miss on elite lowpost prospects. And unlike Josh Davis, he did have an offer from another major program (USC), and another legitimate mid-major program (Nevada). So it doesn’t require blind faith – which obviously, Lowe and company haven’t shown they deserve – to have some cautious optimism.

Vandenberg’s role in 2009-10 should be extremely limited, but it does give NC State a 4th lowpost option for whenever two of Smith, Howell, and Horner get in foul trouble. I can’t imagine he’ll contribute much when he’s in the game as a freshman, but his height alone makes that preferable to, say, Johnny Thomas at the 4 while Horner plays center.

As a junior and senior, Vandenberg’s ceiling is probably that of a very useful player from a similar background – Georgia Tech’s Luke Schenscher.

Here’s a quote from Noah on another thread, which I agree with 100%:

I don’t mind taking a flyer on a seven footer (who doesn’t have arthritic knees and a heart condition). It’s guys like Davis or 6-0 unranked point guards that I question this late in the season.

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231 Responses to Pack Signs Aussie Center

  1. Rufftown Wolf 04/28/2009 at 11:27 AM #

    Brown, Woods, Davis, Howell, and Vandenberg doesn’t sound like a bad lineup to me. Davis and Vandenberg don’t need to score, they need to play defense, rebound, and hit free throws, and be role players. IF they get a open look knock it down. From the looks of the videos of Brown, Woods, and Howell they look like NCSU not going to have problems reaching the 70pt plateau anymore.

  2. Greywolf 04/28/2009 at 11:30 AM #

    I don’t pretend to understand recruiting especially in this day and time and I suspect that their are others in the boat with me. So much goes on that cannot and will not be made public, I wonder how keyboard (recruiting) coordinators know so much. Josh Davis plays for the same coach as John Wall and on the same team. NCSU is still on John Wall’s list. I don’t know Josh Davis’ situation but it might be the only way he could get to NCSU. This is all speculation but so is 99% of the other stuff commented here. Ugh, Jed still hasn’t cleaned out his office yet has he?

    Another way of looking at a Josh Davis recruitment is this: why are TOB and company recruiting geniuses for targeting a bunch of 1-star players and Lowe and company are idiots. Why are all the recruits we don’t like Lowes’ Follies but the ones we like are feathers in an assistants hat.

  3. Wolfpack_1995 04/28/2009 at 11:36 AM #

    “Jordan Collins and Cornelius Williams weren’t very good players. But they had a role to play and they did it as well as possible and gave us decent minutes.”

    I agree Noah. Also throw in Ron Kelly.

    You can’t teach height.

    I think Harris’ one contribution to the staff besides recruiting is developing big men. I was impressed with how other bigs developed each year while Harris was on Herb’s staff.

    V-berg gives another tall big man that can supposedly run the floor and will keep teams honest when trying to post us up. I like the signing.

    If Wall says no. Perhaps Painter is next. I hope we take Painter over Vincent Williams(guard from Florida) if we do use the last scholly. We need more bigs, I am tired of signing average guards.

  4. Thinkpack17 04/28/2009 at 11:40 AM #

    “From the looks of the videos of Brown, Woods, and Howell they look like NCSU not going to have problems reaching the 70pt plateau anymore.”

    Doesn’t this seem like the exact same story as “Blue Chips”? You get a coach who is awesome at recruiting but is struggling to bring his school back to the glory days…He brings in a great freshman class. He gets the tall, white shooter from Smalltown Indiana. He gets the quick playmaker and the athletic, raw big man. I mean it’s the same damn story. Weird.

  5. Thinkpack17 04/28/2009 at 11:44 AM #

    Vincent Williams is out. I think it’s Wall or Bust. We need at least 2 rides besides the one saved for Ryan Harrow. He’s getting really cool with Parker, and we are still in the hunt for Cothron and Leslie. If Painter is in for 2009 he may still get a look.

  6. McPete 04/28/2009 at 11:50 AM #

    “why are TOB and company recruiting geniuses for targeting a bunch of 1-star players and Lowe and company are idiots”

    Greywolf,
    1 star simply means a player has not been evaluated. Two stars is the minimum once a guy has been evaluated by the recruiting site.

    And don’t compare football recruiting to basketball recruiting. last time i checked there is no football aau circuit, just the summer camps and video footage used to evaluate football players – not to mention looking at how many scholarship offers a guy has. you will always find more diamonds in the rough in football recruiting. always.

  7. 66pack 04/28/2009 at 11:56 AM #

    I’ll bet that the last two signings will be a total waste of scholarships – hope i am wrong.

  8. sautz 04/28/2009 at 12:00 PM #

    “Josh Davis plays for the same coach as John Wall and on the same team.”

    Have they played on the same team? Davis plays for the NC Gaters in AAU and Wall is D-One AAU. Did Wall used to go to Athens Drive?

  9. Noah 04/28/2009 at 12:09 PM #

    I wonder how keyboard (recruiting) coordinators know so much. Josh Davis plays for the same coach as John Wall and on the same team. NCSU is still on John Wall’s list. I don’t know Josh Davis’ situation but it might be the only way he could get to NCSU.

    What does it tell you when a guy who knows EVERY SINGLE AAU player in the triangle has never heard of Davis? When all of the folks who are PAID to evaluate recruiting and follow the guys and know who is being targeted and who isn’t are caught completely flat-footed and stuck saying things like, “Well…his name is Josh Davis. And uhh…he plays for Millbrook. And uhh…it says right here that he’s 6-4. And uhh…”

    Does anyone remember when a kid named CJ Taybron (I think that’s it) signed with Mike O’Cain’s staff? He was out of Southern Nash and played on the same team as Julius Peppers.

    When he signed, I asked someone who had covered SNSH about him and he shrugged and said, “Apparently, O’Cain thinks that signing the teammate of the #1 player in the state is a good idea.”

    The guy got paid to watch SNSH play football and a 6-3, 290 pound kid didn’t make the slightest impression on him. He had to look up the name to even see if there WAS a guy from that team.

    Taybron bombed right off the bat. By his second practice, he knew he didn’t belong here and left school. At the very least, he only cost us a scholarship for one year.

    I hope Davis is better than that. But that’s the vibe I’m getting.

  10. Gene 04/28/2009 at 12:11 PM #

    Looking at how Wake Forest rebuilt, after a couple of last place finishes, post Chris Paul, there are some similarities, in my opinion.

    The 2006 recruiting class was a six player class, with a bunch of 3 and 4 star recruits, that produced a couple of solid contributors, like McFarland and Ish Smith. The 2007 class was a three man class, which was mostly 4 star recruits, that produced Jeff Teague. With those two classes they were on the road to recovery. Throw in a couple of 5 star players for 2008’s class and they made it back last year to the NCAA tournament and what looked like a promising team, until a late season collapse.

    Hopefully this 5 or 6 man class will be able to fill a lot of needs for us, which it looks like it is, and the 2010 class will bring in some star quality players.

    I read on the internets Lowe is still recruiting Painter and would like him, even if he doesn’t qualify until 2010.

  11. RickJ 04/28/2009 at 12:14 PM #

    “he did have an offer from another major program (USC), and another legitimate mid-major program (Nevada). So it doesn’t require blind faith – which obviously, Lowe and company haven’t shown they deserve – to have some cautious optimism.”

    Agree with this and in particular as it relates to USC. Tim Floyd’s biggest strength is as a talent evaluator. This is really important when you coach at Idaho, New Orleans & Iowa State. I’m pretty sure I remember reading that Floyd did not think Vandenberg would contribute early but that he had a major upside.

    Maybe Davis can be a poor man’s P.J. Tucker. Tucker was another 6’ 5” inside player that tore up the local competition but didn’t look the part of a Division I talent except to Rick Barnes. Certainly, for every Tucker that makes it there are 50 that don’t.

  12. Noah 04/28/2009 at 12:17 PM #

    PJ Tucker was a D1 guy. He just had horrible grades and qualified very very late.

  13. Sweet jumper 04/28/2009 at 12:20 PM #

    I also recall that Tucker could not qualify for an ACC school but was cleared for Big 12–memories of Pistol Pete not qualifying but being fine for SEC.

  14. Andy 04/28/2009 at 12:21 PM #

    AIS has a pretty decent reputation producing players. Apparently there are 32 Aussie’s in D1, notable ones from AIS are Patrick Mills, Ogilvy, Bogut, Nevill(17 and 9 for 5 seed Utah this year). Maybe there’s some hope.

  15. McPete 04/28/2009 at 12:24 PM #

    An old friend of mine used to play with pj tucker in garner. he joked that tucker was illiterate and sold crack. there was probably some truth to both claims, he said.

  16. JimValvano 04/28/2009 at 12:44 PM #

    So, we now have a seven footer on the roster…I think this is a good thing. Welcome to the Wolfpack family young man!

    On another note…I saw that John Wall has released a new list. He now shows NO INTEREST in Memphis and Oregon. UNC, FLORIDA, BAYLOR, and KANSAS are showing up as LOW INTEREST. Then you’ve got DUKE, KENTUCKY, MIAMI, AND N.C. STATE as his teams he has MEDIUM INTEREST in. I don’t know if it is a positive or a negative or neither, but I do recognize one constant throughout the John Wall recruiting saga…N.C. STATE. We’ve been on his list from the beginning. The other three teams are new to the game. While I do think that the combination of Javi and Julius Mays and possibly LoBrown (though he is supposed to be more of a combo guard) will be serviceable at the point next year…we all know that the addition of a guy like Wall would not only make us very formidable next season but also possibly in years to come.

  17. choppack1 04/28/2009 at 12:47 PM #

    Gene – I think that’s a fair comparison. Of course, I don’t know if we have a James Johnson in this class or an Aminu in the next one.

    Oh yeah, WFU is building another solid class for 2010…I think they have 4 Top 100 signees.

  18. rkw 04/28/2009 at 12:49 PM #

    I don’t think Atsur was a top 50 recruit. Some people said that Atsur would have been top 50 if he had been a US recruit. Herb’s backers talked him up, and in this case they were correct.

    The perception of Atsur as a top-50 quality recruit came from a ranking of the incoming freshman that year by (IIRC) Telep. That ranking put Atsur above players ranked in the 50s or worse.

  19. Sweet jumper 04/28/2009 at 12:50 PM #

    John Wall should have us on his list. Sidney was recruiting and offerring him before he was “discovered” nationally last summer.
    ——–
    VaWolf82:
    Why should a kid “owe” something to the first coach to start recruiting him?

  20. kyjelly 04/28/2009 at 12:53 PM #

    Ok kudos to Sid this kid is a 7 footer a no brainer to take a shot at if you have the time to take a shot take a shot. He should have been doing this 3 yrs ago .
    This kid was not recruited by usc that heavily ,we beat out boise state and utah valley. I hope he does well but who on this staff do you see developing any players?

  21. Noah 04/28/2009 at 12:54 PM #

    Circumstances change.

    Rivals Radio this morning mentioned UK, UNC and Dook.

  22. Alpha Wolf 04/28/2009 at 1:05 PM #

    Only John Wall knows what his favorite school is at any given moment. And two seconds later, it seems like it has changed. Ten seconds later, again it is different with the first two schools listed completely off of the radar.

    This guy is starting to remind me of Jonathon Hannah in a big, big way.

  23. pakfanistan 04/28/2009 at 1:06 PM #

    Noah, it’s part of the UNC/Duke controlled media conspiracy against us.

  24. SaccoV 04/28/2009 at 1:17 PM #

    The bottom line is no one will know anything about these players until they play. I agree with Greywolf that TOB gets the benefit of the doubt with recruiting because of his track record. Sid gets the short end from State fans because he has yet to produce as significant a talent as TOB has. For now, most of us are wasting our typing fingers talking about kids as if ANYTHING about their ability to play is set in stone. Let’s talk about how good Josh Davis is when he’s finished playing, not before he begins playing.

  25. Pack Leader 04/28/2009 at 1:17 PM #

    This is a great sign in my eyes for many reasons.

    – Smith now has someone to battle in practice who is a true center and can force him to practice different shots because of his lack of height.
    -this allows Horner and Howell to practice and play their natural position (PF). It can be alot to ask a player to practice a different postion for team purposes but then play in games to play as their natural postion.
    -This now gives us 2 big men on each line, which is huge because god forbid if one of our exsisting bigs get hurt that gives us one fresh leg to spill mins.
    -State last year was a different team when they didnt have to worry about a big shot blocker down low (Clemson, FSU, BC)and if big V can develop it will help our offensive game even if he isnt the one scoring the ball.

    he comes from a great basketball school where he was forced to mature mentally early. I found a good little excert from an artice on the AIS (Australian Institute of Sports)

    “It’s no wonder that more coaches are beginning to recruit more heavily from the Aussie nation, as a majority of the recruiting process has already been performed when coaches arrive to scout players from the AIS. The AIS selects the 14 best players from various provincial teams around the entire country and provides scholarships for them to attend the institute. There, players will work out up to three times a day, play up to 70 games per year, and visit five or six countries to play different national teams before they even turn 19.”

    Good sign Sid..

    mabey this now frees up some doubt with CJ Leslie about him not having to play the C since he is a self proclaimed PF……

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