Pack Signs Aussie Center

vandenbergI have been waiting for a news article on Jordan Vandenberg to link to, but it doesn’t seem forthcoming. So, here’s a link to The Wolfpacker, with very little information.

My take is that Vandenberg is a 7-foot center project. However, that is not a criticism. He’s not a bad fallback option when you miss on elite lowpost prospects. And unlike Josh Davis, he did have an offer from another major program (USC), and another legitimate mid-major program (Nevada). So it doesn’t require blind faith – which obviously, Lowe and company haven’t shown they deserve – to have some cautious optimism.

Vandenberg’s role in 2009-10 should be extremely limited, but it does give NC State a 4th lowpost option for whenever two of Smith, Howell, and Horner get in foul trouble. I can’t imagine he’ll contribute much when he’s in the game as a freshman, but his height alone makes that preferable to, say, Johnny Thomas at the 4 while Horner plays center.

As a junior and senior, Vandenberg’s ceiling is probably that of a very useful player from a similar background – Georgia Tech’s Luke Schenscher.

Here’s a quote from Noah on another thread, which I agree with 100%:

I don’t mind taking a flyer on a seven footer (who doesn’t have arthritic knees and a heart condition). It’s guys like Davis or 6-0 unranked point guards that I question this late in the season.

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231 Responses to Pack Signs Aussie Center

  1. Thinkpack17 04/28/2009 at 9:34 AM #

    If he can give 7 quality minutes, and steal some time at the half and TV timeouts…we will be ok. Obviously we’ll need Tracy to put in some more time on the treadmill and play more minutes, but he has shown he’s willing to put in the work.

  2. StateFoxer 04/28/2009 at 9:40 AM #

    I don’t really see anything to complain about on this one. He may never be a force, but 7 ft is pretty hard for other teams to ignore.

    Here’s hoping he grows an Aussie-fro like Schenscher. A Puerto Rican boxer at the point and an Australian giant at center; at least we got personality.

  3. packbackr04 04/28/2009 at 9:41 AM #

    i agree, his heigth alone can alter some shots. if he can contribute on D, grab some boards and get a few points cleaning up the rim he will be a help this year.

  4. Alpha Wolf 04/28/2009 at 9:41 AM #

    Remind me again what the general perception surrounding Engin Atsur was when he came in the program.

    I honestly do not remember.

  5. BJD95 04/28/2009 at 9:46 AM #

    Atsur was a Top 50 recruit – always expected to be a good player, and play significant minutes as an underclassman.

  6. Thinkpack17 04/28/2009 at 9:47 AM #

    ^^Spot up Shooter, system player…he definately exceeded expectations. By his junior and senior years he could fly down and drill a three, and got that hanging/harlem cross-over and shot (probably from Hodge). He even started getting to the cup. I was a big Atsur fan.

  7. Rufftown Wolf 04/28/2009 at 9:50 AM #

    They say he can run the floor very well for a big man.. I’m really pumped about dipping into to the international ranks. If this class could stay for all 4 years it could be something special… This is what Sid needed he has guys who can score the ball now he has a shot blocker and rebounder…

    GO Pack!!

  8. Clarksa 04/28/2009 at 9:53 AM #

    ^I think a lot of people looked at Atsur as another spring Sendek recruit…and the history on those wasn’t too good…

    From what I have read (1985 NCSU Grad did some really good research on the Wolfpacker premium board) JV is an interesting signing because he attends the AIS institute which has produced decent amount of good basketball players…Andrew Gaze, Luc Longley, Luke Schensher (sp?), and Andrew Bogut (sp?). AIS takes 14 of the best players in Australia, forms a team for two years and then recruits another group of 14…While no one seems to have video on him yet, it does seem like he will come in a little more ready to play because of the AIS environment. At the very least, Tracy Smith will have a taller player to practice against…

  9. ms termeaner 04/28/2009 at 9:54 AM #

    He will sit with Josh Davis for most if not all their time here. If he is 7 foot and 230 that is like being 6’4 and 130 so he needs a great deal of work also averageed 3.2 ppg with the jr national team.
    But at 7 ft take a chance…….but it looks like we gave up 2 scholarships with little or no return here

  10. Thinkpack17 04/28/2009 at 10:01 AM #

    ^^Yeah except if you are 6’4″ 130 you’re the weird kid bagging groceries. If you are 7 feet…the sky is the limit. Neither player will sit as a senior.

  11. pakfanistan 04/28/2009 at 10:03 AM #

    If he is 7 foot and 230 that is like being 6′4 and 130…

    That’s not really accurate.

    Ed Davis is 6’10″/215, Ty Zeller is 7’0″/220, Ty Walker is 7’0″/215, Chas McFarland is supposedly 7’0″/235.

  12. BoKnowsNCS71 04/28/2009 at 10:03 AM #

    Offensive and defensive rebounding. What a concept! Hope the Aussie like it here and shocks our opponents.

  13. Noah 04/28/2009 at 10:07 AM #

    If I can draw a parallel to another sport, this is like drafting a kid with bad mechanics, no control…but who has a 95 mph fastball. You can teach him some stuff and maybe it sticks and you’ve got a guy who can do something 99.9999 percent of pitchers can’t.

    Signing a 6-5 kid who made absolutely ZERO impressions on the people who follow local basketball religiously and who know every AAU kid very well is like drafting a kid whose fastball tops out at 82 mph.

    1) You can get those guys ANYWHERE

    2) If you throw the ball at 82 mph, you better have perfect control, be extremely smart, and you better just have some secret gyro-knuckle palm sinker that no one else knows how to throw or hit. Even then, you’re going to be a back-of-the-rotation guy.

    Jordan Collins and Cornelius Williams weren’t very good players. But they had a role to play and they did it as well as possible and gave us decent minutes.

    If you’re 6-4, you better be a perfect athlete or an amazing shooter or a great perimeter defender. Davis, from what I have been told, gets his points in high school by being a decent athlete and by posting up smaller guys down low.

    Now he’s going to be going up against as good of a collection of athletes as you’ll find anywhere and everyone is going to be taller than him.

    Vandenburg doesn’t bother me. Davis is a total mystery. We’ve already Johnny Thomas and CJ Williams and both of them are better shooters, taller and better athletes…and even they are struggling to contribute at this point. Why do we need a lesser version of them?

    We don’t have ANYTHING down low, so Vandenburg makes sense.

  14. Alpha Wolf 04/28/2009 at 10:07 AM #

    Being a seven footer is the hoops equivalent of being a left-handed pitcher in baseball. If you are athletic and can potentially be taught how to play your position effectively, you will be able to get some time on the floor.

    I will wait and see how this young man develops and plays before making any projections as to whether he was a good choice for a scholarship or not. Heck, if you saw Tom Gugliotta play in his first year you might have thought he was a wasted scholarship, and we all know how that turned out.

    It is what it is and we should all try to keep an open mind.

  15. Sweet jumper 04/28/2009 at 10:08 AM #

    If he is similar to Glenn Sudhop, Craig Watts and Chuck Nevitt in his development and can contribute in his late sophomore, junior and senior seasons, then this is a good use of a scholarship. From his interview, he sounds like a good kid from a good family. I hope to be pleasantly surprised by his development and contributions. Go Pack.

  16. Thinkpack17 04/28/2009 at 10:15 AM #

    Is Davis 6-4? He is listed at 6-6…I was hoping that was more of a “6-7” 6-6. Not a “6-4” 6-6.

  17. Alpha Wolf 04/28/2009 at 10:16 AM #

    One thing about foreign-born players that I have always liked is that their fundamentals — things like short jumpers, free throws, etc. — seem to be more advanced than the kids who have been on the AAU circuit their entire adolescence.

    I read on SC’s boards that Vandenberg “runs the floor well, good offensive game inside of 12 feet and is a decent shot blocker. He needs a lot of work on his foot work and technique.”

    Vandenberg himself said on MBL.com.au :

    “I’m left-handed, but I can score with either hand in the paint,” he said. “I also feel like I have good post moves and can score out to 10 feet. The things (I) do well is use both hands around the basket, and I am a good shotblocker and can change shots.

    “I do need to get stronger and do that quickly. That is what I need to improve the most. I know I’ll need to be stronger to play consistently against big men who are 20 or 30 pounds heavier than me. I can also improve my off-the-dribble shots and add more variety in the post.”

  18. pakfanistan 04/28/2009 at 10:22 AM #

    Alpha, to me, the quotes from Vandenberg make him seem very mature for this stage in his career. I think that’s a definite positive sign. But, I’m a Wolfpack fan and any time it’s not on fire or flying off the rails, it’s a positive sign to me.

  19. tvp1 04/28/2009 at 10:31 AM #

    Good signing. I see Schenscher as about what I expect from this guy, and his ceiling could be higher. Hard to tell given the dearth of information about him. I do like that he played at AIS, the same sports-focused academy that produced Schenscher, Luc Longley, Andrew Bogut, and AJ Ogilvy among others. He must have learned something about how to play in the post.

    Given that we are still recruiting Painter as an 09/10 big, Cothron and Leslie are still in play for 2010, and that Harrow is working hard on recruiting 5-star Mychal Parker, a 6-6 2010 SF, the Davis signing doesn’t make much sense, but time will tell. There’s really no need to harp on it any further.

  20. Dr. BadgerPack 04/28/2009 at 10:31 AM #

    Vandenberg’s size and shot blocking ability not only mean that Tracy Smith has someone to battle in practice, in means that two potential starters– Smith and Howell, can practice together and have to work to score (at least in theory). Without Vandenberg, Smith and Howell could have gone against one another and had decent enough battles, but to get them on the court on the same team would have been problematic– if you can score at will against, well, no defensive peers you won’t get any better.

    Since various projections have Smith/Howell on the court at the same time, this signing potentially allows them to work together and still be up against a big man (or 2, in Horner). Even if he doesn’t see the court in year one, this should help immensely.

  21. tvp1 04/28/2009 at 10:33 AM #

    I don’t think Atsur was a top 50 recruit. Some people said that Atsur would have been top 50 if he had been a US recruit. Herb’s backers talked him up, and in this case they were correct.

  22. choppack1 04/28/2009 at 10:37 AM #

    I think this is a good signing in a need area. We didn’t get our primary targets, but we got a 7 footer who has been a program that has a solid history of developing players.

    We’ll see – this kid just may surprise folks.

  23. SMD 04/28/2009 at 10:47 AM #

    I think Coach Lowe deserves a few kudos on this one – it makes total sense. I still think that he’s probably not the coach to get the program where we want it – but it’s nice to see some smart moves which help the program.

    You could definitely make the case that he is learning on the job. Granted – that’s at our program’s expense, but at least it’s not 100% hopeless.

    I’ve been as hard on Sidney as anyone, but he got this one right. Thanks Coach!

  24. Clarksa 04/28/2009 at 10:55 AM #

    “You could definitely make the case that he is learning on the job. Granted – that’s at our program’s expense, but at least it’s not 100% hopeless.”

    Just like the last coach…maybe a new slogan is needed…Red means training wheels?

  25. Texpack 04/28/2009 at 10:58 AM #

    “If he is similar to Glenn Sudhop, Craig Watts and Chuck Nevitt in his development and can contribute in his late sophomore, junior and senior seasons, then this is a good use of a scholarship. From his interview, he sounds like a good kid from a good family. I hope to be pleasantly surprised by his development and contributions. Go Pack.”

    ^This is kind of how I think about any 7 footer who isn’t hailed as the next Shaq. Chuck Nevitt was right at 200 lbs as a true freshman and he was 7’5″. V figured out how to camp him in the lane and squeeze every useful minute out of him by his senior year. Craig Watts “could run the floor” when he arrived at State and when he left, but not much else. Sudhop was just plain goofy to watch. He also suffered from being the first true big man to follow Tommy Burleson, so his lack of coordination was magnified by comparison. All three of these guys played hard and contributed to some Wolfpack success, they just weren’t particularly talented.

    The foreign players typically have good hands and basketball IQ’s. If you have those at 7 feet tall it doesn’t take much development to become a contributor.

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