NCAAT Friday Open Thread (Major update @ 11:50am)

Note: The comments in this entry are a consolidation of both BJD and Jeff.

Thursday Comments
* Not very many upsets so far, but those of us who stayed up late last night were rewarded by compelling endings in the VCU/UCLA and Illinois/Western Kentucky games. Clemson also fought back to make things close after 35 minutes of absolute bed shitting – but fell short once again. If there was one thing any ACC fan didn’t want to see, it was a conference member losing to a lower-seeded Big Ten team.

* Side note – I don’t know if it’s possible to get worse last-second shots than Clemson and VCU took last night – despite plenty of time on the clock to initiate a good play. Just ugly, ugly stuff that never stood a chance of working.

* Speaking of VCU/UCLA, those Rams fans were quite a motley looking group, were they not? What was the deal with the females in the band wearing bikini tops? Deadspin was thinking along the same lines.

* Is their any more justice in the world that Tyler Hansbrough breaks the ACC’s all-time scoring record with a friggin free throw? It was nice to see Hansbrough make this list of the five most hated players in the NCAA Tournament:

Hated because the media fawns over him (Jay Bilas going down on him at the end of the Louisville Elite 8 game last year may have been the tipping point), and because he seems to get all of the calls from the refs. Guilt-by-success seems to apply here.

Friday Comments – Here’s today’s slate, which looks pretty compelling:

Early Afternoon:
#14 Stephen F. Austin vs. #3 Syracuse
#9 Tennessee vs. #8 Oklahoma State
#11 Utah State vs. #6 Marquette
#14 North Dakota State vs. #3 Kansas

Analysis: Will Syracuse be flat and/or tired after their epic Big East tournament? Is Marquette as cooked as I think they are sans injured PG Dominic James? Also, don’t sleep on North Dakota State – they play numerous 5th year seniors, and Kansas is a well-documented fraud. If there is going to be a major first round upset, it probably happens here. Very strange for the 8/9 game to be the least compelling matchup, but that is the case here.

Late Afternoon:
#11 Temple vs. #6 Arizona State
#16 East Tennessee State vs. #1 Pittsburgh
#14 Cornell vs. #3 Missouri
#11 Dayton vs. #6 West Virginia

Analysis: Aside from Pitt/ETSU, these should be very competitive (if not aesthetically pleasing) games. Cornell could also pull a big upset, as they are a “repeat” team that returns most starters from last year’s early NCAAT exiting bunch. Those are the kinds of teams that can give a marquee team fits (just ask Jay Wright about Jeff Jones’ similar American squad). Syracuse and Kansas are very vulnearble #3 seeds, and the winner of each 6/11 game could easily make a deep run – particularly if Huggy Bear’s bunch can make it past a physical, tough Dayton squad. West Virginia is a good team with a good coach, and one of my dark horse Final Four possibilities.

Early Evening:
#16 Morehead State vs. #1 Louisville
#12 Arizona vs. #5 Utah
#10 Southern Cal vs. #7 Boston College
#13 Portland State vs. #4 Xavier

Analysis: It’s got the prime time slot, but easily the least compelling slate of games for the day. Louisville is really the only good team of these eight, and even the Cards come with question marks. Portland State could beat Xavier, but I wouldn’t consider that much of an upset because Xavier just isn’t that strong. Hopefully, BC comes through for the ACC, but that’s a coin flip at best.

Late Night:
#9 Siena vs. #8 Ohio State
#13 Cleveland State vs. #4 Wake Forest
#15 Robert Morris vs. #2 Michigan State
#12 Wisconsin vs. #5 Florida State

Analysis: I’d really like Siena to win this one if the game wasn’t being played in Dayton – what a lucky break for Thad Matta. As we’ve discussed many times on SFN, Wake Forest is a much better team against powerhouses than underdog squads. Their awful ACCT performance should get their heads straight, but I’m still not sure Jeff Teague is fixable mentally at this point. Cleveland State has a good shot to win – but if the Deacs squeak by, they could catch fire and go a long way. Florida State and Wisconsin should grind out a tough, defensive game. If the Noles survive, this could easily be a Sweet Sixteen/Elite Eight team. An elite scorer, great defense, and excellent size make for a potent NCAAT combination – but their first game is a big obstacle.

Media & Sendek Comments
ACCNow has some blurbs on each of the games as well. (Link) Of course, ‘the Observers’ can’t help but pen an article about Herb Sendek; this one written from Scott Fowler from the Charlotte bureau.

The title of the piece is very misleading – “Sendek’s style same as it was with Pack” would lead the reader to infer that Sendek is doing a lot of things similar to how he did things in Raleigh when in fact he has made some great adjustments to his ‘style’. Sendek has ditched his limiting “Princeton offense” that put a ceiling on both the performance and the talent-level of players attracted to the system. He has even shed his stubborn devotion to man-to-man defense and installed a pesky zone that has become one of ASU’s unique trademarks.

When you really read the article with a true depth of knowledge that most of our readers have you will realize that Scott Fowler was doing everything he could to paint and paint and paint a picture that he hoped would stir the pot as opposed to actually share some real information. Take for instance this item near the end:

The coach also pulled off a coup by successfully recruiting Harden, the 2009 Pac-10 Player of the Year who averages 20.8 points per game. Harden, a lefty, is often described as the most well-known southpaw at Arizona State since golfer Phil Mickelson.

Bringing up James Harden is one of the only things that supports the title of Fowler’s article – ‘Sendek’s style remaining the same’. Unfortunately, Fowler would rather ignore facts to support the premise of his piece at the peril of producing a disjointed article of praise instead of something that actually lived true to its purpose. As Fowler’s more-informed and more-balanced colleague, Joe Giglio, stated this morning:

Plus, there’s a reason Sendek hired James Harden’s AAU coach at ASU. Harden’s a lottery pick.

There is something that is JUST LIKE his style at NC State – Sendek hired Damon Thornton and Kenny Inge’s coach (Mark Phelps) as soon as he got the NC State job to secure Thornton’s waivering commitment at the time just like he hired James Harden’s high school coach to garner Harden’s commitment. There is nothing wrong with it; and it is one of Sendek’s few ‘styles’ that has been the same at ASU as at NC State. Why would Fowler choose to ignore this when it actually supports the supposed premise of the article?

Another component of Sendek’s style that has been consistent at both schools came into clear focus on Saturday when the Sun Devils were playing USC for the Pac-10 Championship. ASU led by 15 points at halftime and completely controlled the first thirty minutes of the…then, disaster slowly struck.

The Sun Devils and All-American guard James Harden only scored six points in the last eight minutes and ten seconds of the game en route to mustering only 63 points for the day. They scored only four points in the last 7:37, which included only one field goal in the last 7:37. They ultimately lost the lead with 30 seconds to go and lost the title to the Trojans.

Wow? Ever seen that script before? If ANYTHING represents the ‘same style Sendek’ as his time at NC State it would be the nationally televised performance just five days ago that took Sendek’s record in major conference championship games to 0-4. Where the hell was Fowler’s article on Sunday morning about Sendek?

But Sendek still wins, too. He took N.C. State to the NCAA Tournament in his final five seasons, and now he’s made it here. While Sendek has coached a dozen NCAA Tournament games, going 6-6, none of his current players have ever been in one.

‘Wins’?

In three years Sendek has a losing record in the Pac-10 that is just slightly better than his ACC record that was sixteen games under .500 (72-88).

Has more ever been made of someone who in SIXTEEN YEARS of coaching has managed to win a grand total of six NCAA Tournament games while never finishing better than second place in a major conference or ever winning a major conference championship? If that is winning, I want my kid playing in the same youth sports leagues as Scott Fowler’s so that all of the kids will get their trophy for signing up.

As with anyone that is a former part of the Wolfpack family we are pulling for Herb to have success and take the Sun Devils to the promised land; but, in the process, we are pulling for the media to finally be able to report some balance, fact and truth as opposed to shoveling us the kind of bullshit that Scott Fowler shoveled today.

Various
Once again, WRAL and Time Warner Cable have you covered with comprehensive HD coverage.

Duke against Rick Barnes’ Texas in Greensboro on Saturday? Hell yes! Speaking of Barnes (and Tubby Smith), we had some great stuff in our open entry from yesterday including a little video of how to deal with players who don’t want to bust their ass 100% of the time.

In closing, we’ve got a hat tip to March to Madness for linking to the greatest dunk of all-time this week…but that didn’t come from the NCAA Tournament.

About BJD95

1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

08-09 Basketball

120 Responses to NCAAT Friday Open Thread (Major update @ 11:50am)

  1. Alpha Wolf 03/20/2009 at 3:28 PM #

    ^ Well, ASU is getting all the calls late against Temple. A hand-checking foul? If they called that consistently, half of Duke’s team would be gone in the first half.

  2. MrPlywood 03/20/2009 at 3:29 PM #

    Man, some weird calls in the Temple/ASU game. Travel on ASU called a foul, then a non-travel called a travel on Temple… among others.

  3. MrPlywood 03/20/2009 at 3:34 PM #

    Well that “win” was completely underwhelming. Syracuse should pound ASU.

  4. Ed89 03/20/2009 at 3:36 PM #

    ^ Well, ASU is getting all the calls late against Temple. A hand-checking foul? If they called that consistently, half of Duke’s team would be gone in the first half.

    Agreed. Temple really got several bad calls within the last 2 minutes. PAC-10 bias at its best.

  5. MrPlywood 03/20/2009 at 3:58 PM #

    Kudos to CBS though – their streaming games are amazingly crisp and lag free.

    But who is the goof calling play-by-play for the Dayton/WVU game? He has replaced commentary with growling. Here’s to WVU/Big East biting it.

  6. BassPacker 03/20/2009 at 4:07 PM #

    So who is leading for this years Cinderilla team………Dayton?

  7. LRM 03/20/2009 at 4:11 PM #

    Plywood –

    That’s Gus Johnson/Len “Fish Sticks” Elmore.

    Gus Johnson is the greatest play-by-play announcer in sports. You could watch a girls’ YMCA game and it would be exciting with him announcing.

  8. MrPlywood 03/20/2009 at 4:16 PM #

    It sounded like Len, but I could have sworn that the Growler called him Greg…

    ahhh – just found the announcer pairings.

    In case anyone is interested:

    hxxp://www.collegehoopsnet.com/ncaa-first-round-friday-cbs-announcer-pairings-166425

  9. Wolfpack_1995 03/20/2009 at 5:03 PM #

    Gus is one of my favortie announcers also.

    I hope Syracuse destroys the Herbivores.

    Boeheim will probably put an ass-whipping on Herb like Barnes did to him the last time Herb won the opening game.

    As far as media reports out of AZ I think we do not have to worry much after Sunday’s loss.

    Ole Herbie is losing Pendergraph and Harden. This was his year to take advantage of a weak PAC-10. Again he choked like he did in the ACC when UNC and Duke were down.

    Herb will disappear into mediocrity by Monday, unless he finds away to hire another 5 star’s high school coach. 😉

  10. Wulfpack 03/20/2009 at 5:33 PM #

    So who wins tonight? I’ll take Wake, FSU and the BC/USC game is a real toss up. I’m leaning toward the Eagles.

    It’s still early, but so far WKU and to a lesser extent Dayton are carrying the Cinderella banner.

  11. transylvania 03/20/2009 at 5:45 PM #

    I picked Michigan taking into account Clemson’s late-season collapse, especially the first round ACCT lost to the Jackets. I picked WKU over the Illini. Thought about taking Dayton over WVU, but didn’t. Dang.

  12. MrPlywood 03/20/2009 at 6:27 PM #

    I’d like to have the ref crew working the BC/USC game call a Carolina game. They’ve already called traveling about 6 times, with only 7 minutes gone. Imagine those guys watching the Tyler Shuffle! One can only dream…

  13. wolfonthehill 03/20/2009 at 7:41 PM #

    BC’s going down in this game if Tyrese can’t find a way to get something going. USC looks much quicker, and they’re being allowed to absolutely manhandle Rice et al defensively (while minor hand-checks and “moving” screens are whistled against BC).

    Honestly no reason for the ACC to be less than 7-0 after the first round… just laying eggs…

  14. Wulfpack 03/20/2009 at 8:04 PM #

    Very nice showing by big east, big 12 and pac 10 thus far. Clemson and BC really have let us down. Need to pul hard for FSU tonight. Wake wil win easily.

  15. JeremyH 03/20/2009 at 8:16 PM #

    how did Xavier become such a basketball school, it seems to not matter who they have coaching for them, they always show up in the field of 65.

  16. Wulfpack 03/20/2009 at 8:53 PM #

    So much for thinking Wake would show up. Embarassing really.

  17. Dogbreath 03/20/2009 at 9:08 PM #

    I’m going to make the “emperor has no clothes” statement in that the ACC hasn’t been worth a shit since 1993.

  18. MrPlywood 03/20/2009 at 9:10 PM #

    SaccoV: Not to hijack, but Darrion Caldwell is in the semi-finals of the NCAA Wrestling Championships again this season. Congrats to Darrion. Darrion will wrestle Bryce Saddoris in the Semis from Navy, and possibly get a rematch against #1 Brent Metcalf from Iowa in the championship finals (Metcalf defeated Caldwell earlier this season 19-3 in the NWCA All-Star Classic, which is an exhibition match and Caldwell’s only loss by technical fall in his career).

    —–

    Darrion won 13-2. Metcalfe won too so the rematch is set. Thanks for the heads up.

  19. 61Packer 03/20/2009 at 9:14 PM #

    I didn’t know HWSNBN in this column was losing Hardin, who’s a soph but is Pac 10 player of the year. Pendergraph is a senior and in fact graduated this past December. I’m not a Herb hater, but wanted him gone the same way I want Lowe gone. We need passion on our sidelines again, and the last 3 coaches have not given us that. One thing you see in this tourney is that there are many really good coaches out there, many who will move on to other schools. But not here.

  20. Clarksa 03/20/2009 at 9:52 PM #

    ^Sidney doesn’t have “passion” for NC State basketball? That’s a new one. Unless of course your definition of “passion” = Seth Greenburg acting like as ass on the sidelines.

    I can’t wait to read the N&O article on Herb tomorrow…

    Unless Wake gets its act together, they are going home tonight…

  21. TOBtime 03/20/2009 at 9:56 PM #

    Wake looked better the last few minutes. First 5 minutes of the 2nd half will tell the tale.
    FSU looking pretty good in the first half.
    Have I mentioned GEAUX LSU yet?

  22. BJD95 03/20/2009 at 9:57 PM #

    If I was a Wake fan, I would want Teague to go pro. His attitude has ruined the Deacons.

  23. BJD95 03/20/2009 at 10:15 PM #

    Wake doesn’t show up to start the game, Noles don’t show up to start the second half. Yeesh.

  24. BJD95 03/20/2009 at 10:25 PM #

    Nobody shits the bed quite like Wake. What a gruesome way to end the season – complete implosion in both tourneys after being in the Top 10 most of the year.

  25. wolfonthehill 03/20/2009 at 10:27 PM #

    ^ Agreed, BJD… they may change coaches, they may change players… the one constant in a non-Duncan world is absolute embarrassment in postseason play.

    Looks like teams we beat aren’t gonna fare so well in this tourney… shocking…

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