Day of roster changes for Wolfpack BBall (3/24 Update @ 12pm)

RALEIGH, N.C. – NC State head men’s basketball coach Sidney Lowe has announced that redshirt juniors Brandon Costner and Trevor Ferguson will forego their final year of eligibility, and not return to the Wolfpack in 2009-10.

Joe Giglio at ACCNow has a more on the roster changes at this link. He also discusses the Wolfpack’s new recruit – Josh Davis – that was already being discussed in our comments section.

Davis, a 6-5 forward, is a “tweener,” Telep said, who will add frontcourt depth for the Wolfpack, which lost Costner, a versatile forward who decided to go pro on Monday.

“They added a really nice player, with great character, who wanted to be a part of the program,” said Telep, who has Davis rated as a two-star prospect.

Additionally, Ken Tysiac added the following:

Davis averaged 25.7 points and 12 rebounds per game this season as a senior. He had been considering UNC Wilmington and had scholarship offers from Gardner-Webb and High Point. Seton Hall’s staff also wanted Davis to make a campus visit, Clemons said.

“He’s always wanted to go (to N.C. State),” Clemons said. “He always talked about N.C. State. That was his school. He worked hard enough, and was able to get an offer.”

Clemons said Davis can score on the block as a power forward and is skilled enough to play small forward.

As our readers pointed out in the comments section, there are some pros and cons to offering/accepting Davis’ commitment. I must admit I am a little perplexed by the use of the scholarship and also a little concerned at the message of potential desperation that the scholarship sends. To be very clear – I KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING – but, the addition of a local kid (Athens Drive HS) that is clearly not ACC caliber talent could potentially mean that the use of the scholarship is ‘flexible’. I can only hope that *potentially* Davis gets to use the scholarship as long as the program does not need it for another, highly-rated player in this class or the future.

By all accounts, Davis is kid of high character who wanted to be a part of the program. He loves NC State and exhibits true heart and passion on the court. (Certainly something that has been lacking from our program for a long time). He averaged over 25 points a game in high school and was considered as good or better of a player than the two ‘stars’ in his conference – Earnest Ross (Auburn signee) and Garrius Adams (Miami signee).

Davis is described as a very athletic, but undersized ‘hustle player’ akin to a Simon Harris &/or Johnny Thomas (who is already on the Wolfpack’s roster). He has been recruited to play the wing forward position at State.

But, at 6’5 he not a ‘tweener’ for the only position that existing skills set supports – power forward – as his outside shooting is weak. There seems to be some debate if Seton Hall was truly looking at Davis and it appears that State ‘beat’ Gardner-Webb, Charleston Southern and High Point for Davis.

There is most definitely a fit for a Josh Davis within NC State’s Basketball program; but, I am not necessarily convinced that there is an ideal fit for Josh Davis within the current state of the Wolfpack’s program with the current composition of our roster and scholarship spacing. In light of Johnny Thomas’ presence on the roster and sophomore status, it is fair to ask the question if we have ‘over-recruited’ the ‘undersized, high character, sleeper role on the wing’. As one of our readers said, “I hope someone knows more than anybody else here or gets this kid on the juice but this seems strange even by our standards.”

Much is made about State’s struggles and needs at the point guard position…and, Ryan Harrow may be scheduled to arrive in Raleigh one year too late for Coach Lowe. But, I see an even more glaring deficiency on the Wolfpack’s roster after the departure of Brandon Costner – NC State desperately needs some size, heft and toughness in the post. Despite the addition of Richard Howell in the 2009 recruiting class, an ‘ideal’ candidate for one of the Wolfpack’s remaining scholarships would be a junior college big man – preferably a true center of close to 7 feet – who can defend, block shots and rebound. Additionally, this would be ideal for current and future scholarship spacing needs.

Of course, there is still a very small chance that NC State pulls a rabbit out of the hat and can land the nation’s top remaining recruit, John Wall. Wall’s presence may not only help boost next season’s performance, but it would also send a message to other top recruits that NC State is a place to be. (Not to mention its potential impact on re-solidifying CJ Leslie’s commitment. Oddly, landing Wall may not only be great for next year’s performance, but also for the importance of long term spacing of scholarships for the program.

Looking Forward
If State is unable to ultimately land John Wall, I agree with Giglio’s assessment of next season’s line-up:

On paper, State’s starting lineup looks like: Javier Gonzalez at the point, Brown at the 2-guard, C.J. Williams at small forward, Howell at the 4 and Smith at center.

Off the bench State has guards Julius Mays, Farnold Degand and Wood. At forward, Dennis Horner and Johnny Thomas are the other returning scholarship players, plus Davis.

Additionally, Ken Tysiac has added a great blog entry about the Wolfpack’s prospects next year that can be seen here.

When you look at the roster the Wolfpack has returning, it’s impossible to deduce that the team will be better off without Costner and reserve guard Trevor Ferguson, who also is leaving.

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As a whole, this roster will not scare North Carolina when it gets off the bus next season at the Smith Center. Against the rest of the ACC, N.C. State might hold up OK because there is a lot of backcourt talent leaving from the traditional middle-of-the-pack schools.

Toney Douglas, Tyrese Rice and Jack McClinton all were seniors, and Maryland’s Greivis Vasquez has already announced his intention to test the NBA waters.

But hoping the competition falls back to N.C. State’s level is not a where the Wolfpack hoped to be in Sidney Lowe’s fourth season.

Coach Sidney Lowe’s incoming recruiting class might turn out to be his best yet. But the members of his past classes will be sophomores and juniors next season comprising the bulk of N.C. State’s roster. Lowe’s initial difficulties gaining a foothold as a recruiter after coming to N.C. State from the NBA look like they will come home to roost next season.

Projected 2009-2010 NC State Basketball Roster

Senior Class
(1) Dennis Horner (F)
(2) Farnold Degand (PG)

Junior Class
(3) Javi Gonzalez (PG)
(4) Tracy Smith (4F)

Sophomore Class
(5) Johnny Thomas (Wing)
(6) Julius Mays (PG/SG)
(7) CJ Williams (Wing)

Freshman Class
(8) Scott Wood (Wing)
(9) Lorenzo Brown (PG/SG)
(10) Richard Howell (PF)
(11) Josh Davis (WF)
(12/13) Potential scholarships still available

2010 Commits
(12) Ryan Harrow (PG)
(13) CJ Leslie (hopeful)
(1) Departure of Dennis Horner if no other scholarships issued for 2009 class
(2) Departure of Farnold Degand if no other scholarships issued for 2009 class

2011 Commits
(1) Departure of Javi Gonzalez
(2) Departure of Tracy Smith

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217 Responses to Day of roster changes for Wolfpack BBall (3/24 Update @ 12pm)

  1. Afterglow 03/24/2009 at 9:14 PM #

    I guess it’s a function of where you want to draw the line. Are three stars less of a risk than one star? I would guess that in terms of getting formidable production out of a player it may be.

    Regardless, it boils down to the evaluation of talent. I may be the greatest mechanic in the world and may be able to look at a car and say based on my knowledge that that car will last me for the next five years. However, if I have less than an idea, buying used may be more of a risk. Might I hit upon a car that doesn’t break down in next five years? Maybe. However, if I am not as good at evaluating the condition of a one star car, I may be better off going with the three star car.

    Or I suppose I could use carfax.

  2. redfred2 03/24/2009 at 9:26 PM #

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  3. turnoffthetv 03/24/2009 at 9:40 PM #

    I’ll swear to dedication for next season simply because that’s all I have ever known and been accustomed to as a PACK Fan. I will pull for the RED AND WHITE!

    But to convince me to be optimistic about our chances to once again become a participant in the NCAA Tournament next season, now that would be asking for a miracle.

    Please try to convince me that we will win more games with LESS Overall TALENT and return to the NCAA Tournament next year. I BEG U!!!

    In 2007-2008 season we returned:

    5 star PF- Brandon Costner— SO.
    4 star PF- Ben McCauley ——JR.
    4 star SF- Gavin Grant ——-SR.
    4 star SG- Courtney Fells—- JR.

    Also 2007-2008 Freshmen:
    5 star C- JJ Hickson
    4 star PF- Tracy Smith

    FAST FORWARD———

    In 2009-2010 season we return:
    4 star PF- Tracy Smith—– JR.

    Also 2009-2010 Freshmen:
    4 star PF- Richard Howell
    4 star SG- Lorenzo Brown

    Notice that 3 star players or less were left out of this equation.

    Now we all know what happened in 07-08. RIGHT???

    Just Saying I’m willing to pull for us next year but I aint very Optimistic about our chances or Sid’s chances of retaining his job with yet another year removed from the NCAA Tourney and probably any post-season.

  4. BladenWolf 03/24/2009 at 9:55 PM #

    “If Oblinger doesn’t give a shit, how is withholding from the WPC going to make any difference?…I have some advice for all of you who think you can push Obinger and the BOT around…” – greywolf

    So greywolf – who do you suggest we look to for change? As devoted alumni that care about NCSU athletics, what avenues do you advocate we seek for change of direction read: leadership? Divine intervention?

    As a wise man once said…”If you want to get to the real answer…follow the money”.

  5. redfred2 03/24/2009 at 10:10 PM #

    “But to convince me to be optimistic about our chances to once again become a participant in the NCAA Tournament next season, now that would be asking for a miracle.

    Please try to convince me that we will win more games with LESS Overall TALENT and return to the NCAA Tournament next year. I BEG U!!!”

    Wish I could turnoffthetv, but Sorry, I cannot do that for you. I do not think we’ll be very good next season, and if we are better as a team, it won’t come together until after some time has elapsed.

    I’ve said it before, I’m different, I do not care about the NCAA if you’re going there just for the sake of saying so, and without even having a chance to make some real noise when you get in. woo hoo.

    I can understand sloppy play early on to begin with next season, but what I’m most interested in seeing FIRST AND FOREMOST is a change in the overall attitude of the players. Whether they end up winning more games than they lose, or squeak into the NCAA somehow is secondary in my way of thingking. You show me close to 100% effort on both ends, young players that take note of their mistakes and try hard to limit them to less and less with each outting, I’m a happy BB fan, and I know we’ll make the NCAA when our time comes, and more importantly, when we ACTUALLY DESERVE to be there.

    Sorry, that probably doesn’t help, but that’s exactly how I view it.

  6. redfred2 03/24/2009 at 10:33 PM #

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  7. redfred2 03/24/2009 at 10:57 PM #

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  8. ktoh 03/25/2009 at 7:10 AM #

    I know it is harsh and I know we would never do it ,but Sid should have been let go already. It is like a death march ,he is clearly in over his head. The last recruiting move very strange at best. Why not get a kid from overseas who could step in? It is not so much Davis I could actually see taking a chance on a kid who was 6’9 or bigger not one who is 6’5 180 and who is 18{no he is nt going to grow taller}
    No all Sid is doing at best is keeping a seat warm for someone who next year has to come in and tear this mess he left down!
    Tired of hearing about other coach’s players see:michigan,western kentucky etc.etc. It can be done with competent coaching.

  9. blackdom 03/25/2009 at 7:45 AM #

    Indiana which was left in scambles by Sampson and totally gutted ,will be in better shape than we are after next season.

  10. packplantpath 03/25/2009 at 9:44 AM #

    “Not at all. There must be 300 D-I coaches after the PGs of the caliber to play in the ACC and every coach wants at least 3 of them at all times. I find it ironic that it took so long for that obvious cheap shot to happen.”

    That would make sense if we were not in the ACC. Did you forget that this is THE basketball conference? Sure there are 300 coaches that want them, but 250 probably have zero shot at getting the top talent (maybe 200, I don’t follow recruiting much).

    You mean to tell me that we can’t find even one top 25 talent PG who is willing to come here? What, are they scared of Duke and UNC like all the coaches?

    If so, lets close shop, we are through.

  11. redfred2 03/25/2009 at 11:19 AM #

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  12. ktoh 03/25/2009 at 11:41 AM #

    Well red it looks like with the Davis kid you are not that far off about
    Sid running out and finding someone on the corner.

  13. packplantpath 03/25/2009 at 1:00 PM #

    redfred, I think you have it dead on there, it is not easy for SIDNEY LOWE to get a quality PG. Who holds fault for that?

    I don’t expect the to 25 to beat down our door to get to come play here, but are you implying that they have zero interest in playing in the ACC against some of the best competition in the NCAA?

    By definition, there are only 25 top 25 PGs every year. Frankly, I’m not surprised we don’t get one of those every year. But what about the rest, say the remaining 75 of the 100 best? We have had barely serviceable (or not) play from PG for 3 years.

    Who do you blame?

  14. Afterglow 03/25/2009 at 3:07 PM #

    I generally think-be it ego or by design-that point guards (or any other player for that matter) don’t come knocking on our doors, we go knocking on theirs. That being said, perhaps Lowe has not knocked on enough other doors as a back up plan. He seems to have a propensity of putting all of his eggs in one basket.

    Perhaps packplantpath, you and I are saying the same thing.

  15. Greywolf 03/26/2009 at 1:27 AM #

    BladenWolf
    March 24th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
    So greywolf – who do you suggest we look to for change? As devoted alumni that care about NCSU athletics, what avenues do you advocate we seek for change of direction read: leadership?
    BladenWolf – fair question. and neither of us are going to like the answers.
    `
    “The World we have made as a result of the level of thinking we have done thus far, creates problems that we cannot solve at the same level in which we created them.” Albert Einstein
    `
    The hate campaign designed to discredit our AD by high-lighting his “success/failure rate” and ridiculing him, is insufficient to influence the BOT to have the Big O remove LF. Why, it’s a corollary of the quote above. The BOT doesn’t operate at that level and to solve the BOT problem, to use a cliché. there is going to have to be thinking done outside the box. BTW LF failure is in a natural down curve of the ups and downs of NCSU’s natural athletic success that exists inside the culture of the BOT/NCSU.
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    NCSU has a culture of academic bias. Unless the culture is transformed, we’ll keep doing what we are doing and we’ll keep getting what we are getting. Cultures can be transformed and that transformation always starts at the top. (It’s OK if the concept of business or corporate culture is not readily understood, but please don’t blow it off for that reason alone.) And there is no way in hell, this BOT is going to submit to what it would take to transform their culture. There is no reason to.
    `
    The make-up of the BOT must be altered. Unless the make-up of the BOT shifts to a more athletics excellence bias, we are screwed. Why are we screwed with this board? It’s the money thing. There is no way in hell this BOT is ever going to approve coaches’ salaries (eclipsing professors’ salaries) that would let us go out and “bid” for the coaches that would guarantee success being demanded.
    `
    In a post before the end of the season I outlined a plan that would possibly allow us to succeed in athletis through developing a coaches’ academy here to train selected young coaches with certain qualifications BEFORE the made names for themselves in the Mid-Majors. It was a longer term plan than 3 seasons. 😉
    `
    Cali used us to get a raise. We couldn’t compete $ wise with Memphis for Christ sake. TOB was the perfect storm — wanted to move, wanted to retire near here, we did have the facilities and fan base that would let him compete on a level playing field.
    `
    Back to the money thing. The big boys in the WPC who want to win, will have to meet on the quiet, create a plan for replacing the members of the BOT with members a little less academically biased and a little more athletic excellence biased. The entire board would not have to be changed, however, a critical mass of the latter committed to causing a transformation of the board will have to be committed and devoted to getting it done. Once NCSU is known by it’s actions to be where athletic administrative talent is appreciated (meaning salary and benefits), and the coach salary structure is in place for an AD to compete for coaching talent, then and only then can we expect to move the top twenty in athletic excellence.
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    I just spent an hour and a half writing something that I know BladenWolf nor anyone else will read on this dead thread. LOL Greywolf, you are a fucking idiot.

  16. ms termeaner 03/26/2009 at 6:57 AM #

    ^ I do agree with your last sentence ,that you are indeed a f__idiot

  17. Greywolf 03/26/2009 at 8:39 AM #

    ms termeaner
    March 26th, 2009 at 6:57 am
    ^ I do agree with your last sentence ,that you are indeed a f__idiot”
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    ms termeaner,
    Are you sure you wanna get in a farting contest with a skunk? Way too many of us are oblivious to how the Univesity works — it’s instituional controls, the lines of communication, the guidelines for hiring and firing, etc. Others are too immature to realize it will take more than an temper tantrum about our dissatisfaction with our AD and SL’s W/L record or how many NCAATs we get into and how deep we get, to cause change.
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    Why don’t we find out the name of the AD responsible for the operation of the basketball program and demand he fire SL? BTW If I were LF (why open yourself up like that, Greywolf?) I would be all over the dude for not having a short list prepared.
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    My only regret about posting this is that it was intended soley to answer BW question and I’m sure he has moved on to the next thread.

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