ACCT Open Thread – Welcome to the ACC, Virginia Tech

picture1 N&O’s Joe Giglio:

UNC finished the game with 21 attempts from the free-throw line (hitting 15), while VT finished 8 of 11. It’s not like VT took a ton of 3s and the totals were skewed by shot selection. UNC and VT each took 19 3s.

And don’t confuse me here, I’m not saying UNC won because of the officials. Hansbrough was great — actually it was one of his five best games — but the selective enforcement of the contact did affect Tech.

Vassallo’s second foul, about 22 feet from the basket on a touch foul defending Bobby Frasor, was questionable at best. Vassallo had to sit out the final 8:19 of the first half after that foul. That’s a long chunk of the game to go without your best player, especially on a team that’s a three-man show.

  • Maryland is trying to make a play to lay claim to a 7th NCAA Tournament bid for the ACC tonight in a battle with Wake Forest.  Joe Lunardi currently has the Terps as one of the first five teams not included in the Tournament.

  • In NC State’s game against Maryland on Friday night, ESPN’s Jimmy Dykes definitively proclaimed (multiple times) that Maryland had to advance to the ACC Tournament Finals to earn an NCAA Tournament bid.  I don’t have a clue how he can make such a statement so definitively.

  • Poor Virginia Tech.  I truly think that many VPI, Miami & BC fans have been brainwashed into thinking that Duke is the preferred love child of ACC Officials.  Not by a long shot, Hokies.

      • The Charlotte Observer/News & Observer couldn’t be happier of themselves for taking these photos which (I think) they think indicate that Tyler Hansbrough didn’t foul Virginia Tech on the controversial jump ball at the end of today’s game?

        • Am I the only person who recognizes in picture one that Hansbrough is reaching all the way across JT Thompson’s body and his left arm clearly rests on top of Thompsons arm?

        • It sure would be nice to see a “frame by frame” from under the basket from the same angle that the television replay shows Hansbrough’s right hand was clearly planted in the back of Virginia Tech’s JT Thompson.  You can see it in the replay here.  In real time, it appears that a case could be made that Hansbrough grabs Thompson’s jersey to help keep Thompson near.  Kind of like Bobby Frasor’’s hand and arm that is planted in Thompson’s back at the beginning of the play as evidenced in the first couple of pictures.

        • Honest to God, Carolina fans are SO accustomed to watching their team create contact defensively and hand-check that they can’t fathom how pressing your free hand against a player with the ball for five seconds could be viewed as a foul.

        • Here’s a fair question to ask yourself – is there anyone on the planet earth that thinks  if Friday’s situation had been reversed and Hansbrough had been taking the shot that it would not have been called a foul instead of a jump ball?  Anyone?  You know…the man who holds the all-time record for free throw attempts?  Of course not.  That, my friend, is the ACC’s problem.

          • Carolina’s defense – and Tyler Hansbrough, in particular – is just ‘amazing’.  They played 19 minutes of the second half while only ‘committing’ four fouls.

            • Want to see something AMAZING? Take a look at last month’s entry at 850TheBuzz prompted by the whining of Carolina fans that Tyler Hansbrough was being mistreated by ACC Officials. I’m not kidding. You can’t make this stuff up. If you are not from around here, perhaps you can try to understand how miserable it is to have to live with these people – Hansbrough was leading the nation in free throw attempts when the Tarheel fans were whining about him not getting to the free throw line enough.

                • ACC Sports Journal has a great piece about Seth Greenberg’s press conference performance that you can read here.

                • Here’s Greenberg on the 20 to 14 foul disparity, which you could argue was a bit wider given that UNC actually committed two deliberate fouls on the Hokies last possession because the Tar Heels still had fouls to give.

                  “I guess we foul and they don’t,” he said, with maximum sarcasm in his voice.

                  On UNC’s 19 offensive rebounds, many of which came at critical points in the game:

                  “We thought we were doing a good job boxing out. I guess we weren’t boxing out well enough because they just kept jumping and getting the rebounds.”

                  On Hansbrough’s five offensive rebounds:

                  “Obviousy he’s taller, so he just jumped over us and got the rebounds.”

                  Those were a thinly veiled shots at the referees for failing, in Greenberg’s eyes, to call UNC for coming over the back of the Hokies on multiple occasions.

                  Here’s Greenberg’s take on the key call, when Tyler Hansbrough managed to tie up J.T. Thompson, giving UNC the ball with 5.2 seconds remaining and the Tar Heels clinging to a one-point lead:

                  “What I saw doesn’t count, so it makes no difference. The only people that count were the guys wearing striped shirts. What they saw is what happened.”

                  You really had to be there to fully appreciate Greenberg, though. Each answer was delivered in a deadpan, monotone style, with his eyes boring a hole in the podium in front of him.

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                  50 Responses to ACCT Open Thread – Welcome to the ACC, Virginia Tech

                  1. CStanley 03/13/2009 at 7:43 PM #

                    If there’s any justice, those bastards will get booted in the 2nd round of the NCAA’s. Please God let them draw a team with a point guard who could give two shits about Ty Lawson’s toe and beat his ass like most other great PG’s in the country usually do. And let them draw referees who aren’t employed by John Clougherty and the ACC who don’t give a rats ass how many times Tyler Hansbrough waltzes his goofy ass up to the free throw line.

                    That’s all I care to see this March.

                  2. choppack1 03/13/2009 at 7:57 PM #

                    I really think something drastic is needed in this conference.

                    I have fantasized about being the head coach and after a baffling call, walking my team off the floor. Either that or seeing a coach punch an official in a fit of rage. I think either would be appropriate. ACC officials have about as much integrity as the officials do at a professional wrestling match.

                  3. SaccoV 03/13/2009 at 8:00 PM #

                    I watched Greenberg’s blurb on ESPN, and it they did good by playing it right after Roy Williams talks about how much of a “good play” Hansbrough made. What a farce this conference is in terms of equality of officiating. On Mark Packer’s show this afternoon, he asked Kevin Salvadori (who was quite close to committing to NC State years ago BTW) if Hansbrough wore a Georgia Tech jersey, would things be different. Salvadori agreed, which goes to show you that even the most insignificant Tarheel still believes that a disparity in officiating that benefits your team is acceptable as “part of the game.” What Salvadori doesn’t realize is that Hansbrough, of all the UNC players in ACC history, has “earned” his All-American status and post-season awards SOLELY on preferential treatment from the officials. I wonder if Carolina will properly raise the retired jerseys of Luckie, Rose, and all the referees who called games where Hansbrough didn’t foul out of games while creating contact and earning over 1000 trips to the free throw line. Hansbrough has scored 1863 pts in his career, and 915 (as I calculate it) from the free throw line. Some All-American.

                  4. StateFans 03/13/2009 at 8:03 PM #

                    good entry!

                  5. wpackman33 03/13/2009 at 8:15 PM #

                    Who gives a crap what Roy thinks. “Thats what i saw too.” Give me a break. You’re on the other side of the freakin gym homo. I would bet my entire life savings that if the roles were reverse and hansqueer had the ball it would be a foul against him and he would be going to the line.
                    This is ridiculous.

                    (but still not as ridiculous as our play this year – i’m still steaming about it.)

                  6. BJD95 03/13/2009 at 8:20 PM #

                    Here’s a stat of the day for you. Against the top half of the ACC, Wake Forest lost once. Against the bottom half, they lost FIVE TIMES.

                    That’s just insane.

                    I’m not certain that Hansblow actually penetrated JT Thompson on that last play, but it was damned close.

                  7. Dogbreath 03/13/2009 at 8:21 PM #

                    I’ve been fairly indifferent about college basketball for about 6 years now, but I am officially done with it. Between NC State disbanding our program 20 years ago, and what we have witnessed with the NWAification, I have much better things to do with my precious time.

                  8. BJD95 03/13/2009 at 8:30 PM #

                    Also, “most favored nation” status with ACC refs is not an either/or designation. Both Duke and UNC get insanely preferential treatment. Duke is sometimes more noticeable of late, because UNC has been good enough to still win with neutral officiating (NCAAT), while Duke typically falls apart.

                  9. RegularExpression 03/13/2009 at 8:37 PM #

                    There are certain coaches in this league who will bend over and take games like this silently. Greenberg ain’t one of them. Couple that will the high profile nature of this game and we get the aftermath that we had today. The inequity IS being talked about and written about(by major media sources, not just us) and that in itself is unusual.

                  10. SaccoV 03/13/2009 at 8:44 PM #

                    BJD, I can hardly see how you would call the officiating in the tournament “neutral.” In retrospect, it’s acceptable that the great players who played at both Duke and UNC were worthy of their status as All-Conference, All-American; as I grow older I can see that they were deserving of that ranking and those honors. UNC’s most recent National Player of the Year got half of his points from the free-throw line and will barely be in the top-10 of his own school’s record book in terms of scoring. He won’t even make the top-20 in conference career scoring history. For four years Hansbrough has been given preferential treatment from the referees in this conference and his entire career accomplishments are built off of that preference.

                    BJD – I’m talking about the NCAA tourney, not the ACC tourney. God knows the officiating just gets worse for the ACCT, as the league office “rewards” the refs who best toe the party line.

                  11. Rick 03/13/2009 at 8:47 PM #

                    But nothing will happen about it.
                    The ACC has become a joke. The refs are determining the outcomes of games. ACC basketball is quickly becoming NBA ball.
                    They are going to do what the NBA did by treating MJ preferentially. The NBA was ruined by it and the ACC is right behind it.

                  12. wufpup76 03/13/2009 at 9:04 PM #

                    “Vassallo’s second foul, about 22 feet from the basket on a touch foul defending Bobby Frasor, was questionable at best. Vassallo had to sit out the final 8:19 of the first half after that foul.”

                    ^This is the call I’ve been hammering on all day. I haven’t even said one word about the “Great One”‘s “forced” jump ball … and I don’t intend to.

                    That call on Vassallo changed the entire game. Had that call been made properly, Vassallo goes to the line and the Hokies are solidly in control of the game up by 10 points. Instead, a red hot Vassallo goes to the bench where he is joined by equally quick to draw 2 fouls Jeff Allen (funny how the whistles had no trouble being blown against Allen today; compare that to the game against State). Holes lead at the half after being thoroughly outplayed for the first 12 minutes of the half … VT actually played them evenly for the remainder of that first half but there were several other “missed” or “no” calls that just happened to be beneficial to the team with baby blue on (they invented that color, btw – just ask them).

                    Holes players were literally on the court laughing and giggling. This shit is beyond ridiculous.

                    And I thought Greenberg was relatively tame given what I witnessed. This was a complete gift … completely inexcusable. Great job, ACC – you’ve excommunicated one of your on teams to the NIT just b/c Ty … Ty … Ty … Tyler and the Holes were playing.

                    Anybody who can say with a straight face that the Holes were the better team today please lay out your claim. I would be delighted to hear.

                  13. turnoffthetv 03/13/2009 at 9:08 PM #

                    The only shot that hansblower would have at “first team all acc status” would be with the dookies cause he wouldnt get all the calls and no calls on any other team in this conference. He is a third teamer on any other squad at best.

                    I actually threw up a little bit in mouth when I saw his little celebration after that call.

                    When you walk out on that court you should expect to play under the same rules as everyone else and be treated fairly. Heck that’s in about anything not just in sports. Anything more or less is called DISCRIMINATION.

                  14. wufpup76 03/13/2009 at 9:09 PM #

                    “I have fantasized about being the head coach and after a baffling call, walking my team off the floor.”

                    ^It’s literally going to take something like this, maybe more than once.

                    Hansjob is to the ACC what MJ was to the NBA.

                    The preferential treatment of certain players and teams is astounding.

                  15. wufpup76 03/13/2009 at 9:14 PM #

                    Holes fans are always saying that “you would want him (God’s favorite player) on your team … blah blah blah”.

                    They are so accustomed to getting everything their way that they don’t even realize that he would be an above average player at best on any other team aside from Duke or the Holes.

                    There’s no way in effing hell that he goes to the line over 1,000 times at any other institution in the ACC. He doesn’t even sniff 600.

                    Thank God Packer asked Salvidori that question. I’m glad somebody in the media has enough balls to actually imply something like that ON THE AIR. Most of the time all you get is more softball jock-kissing sh*t.

                  16. LRM 03/13/2009 at 9:40 PM #

                    I don’t recall Greenburg being that upset about the officiating after we visited Blacksburg.

                  17. JeremyH 03/13/2009 at 10:13 PM #

                    I’m going to pretend I went to Syracuse, my new favorite team.

                  18. coppertop 03/13/2009 at 10:55 PM #

                    I’m going to pretend I went to Syracuse, my new favorite team.”

                    I too watched this and am considering switching my allegence to the orangemen… At least they are one of the few schools whose mascot does not end in s!

                  19. wolfonthehill 03/13/2009 at 11:21 PM #

                    Thing is – I don’t really care if NBA refs don’t call games evenly… the NBA is a show, and it’s not much different than pro wrestling. Never has been.

                    College basketball is about competition. Fair competition.

                    The ACC is supposedly the pinnacle of college basketball.

                    And the game is being ruined by the way games are called these days.

                    Between the utter lack of enforcement of travels… and the completely inconsistent enforcement of the block/charge call… and the way that, quite simply, some teams (uncch/dook) are allowed to play defense, while other teams (anyone playing uncch/dook) is whistled for maintaining position and verticality… the game has become a joke.

                    Both BC and Va Tech played well enough to win today, but particularly Va Tech. They beat uncch. They beat them by double-digits. The refs were simply worth more than that… and during the game, we were saying as much. Basically, if you want to beat uncch, you have to beat them by twenty, just to overcome the slanted officiating.

                    And it’s destroying our league, one whistle… one game… one season at a time.

                  20. JeremyH 03/13/2009 at 11:26 PM #

                    Big East just seems better. Can we count how many Virgina coach’s UNC and Duke have put out of work. Why did we chose for a coach someone that has never coached college before? But um, hmmm.. we will be a lot better next year with upgrades to speed and shooting, so hmm.. maybe we can finish 8??? Jay Bilas and Hubert Davis are toolbox and douchebag, respectively. Jay Williams is “ok”. Maybe Scott Wood will be our Devendorf. Don’t mistake this paragraph for a coherent thought stream…

                  21. wufpup76 03/13/2009 at 11:33 PM #

                    ^I was wondering where you were going Jeremy 🙂

                  22. wufpup76 03/13/2009 at 11:42 PM #

                    Cole Aldrich everybody. Cole Aldrich.

                    Who will it be this year?

                  23. articwolf 03/14/2009 at 12:50 AM #

                    What frustrates me as much as the officiating is the way certain coaches bend over and take it and never complain. Oliver Purnell should still be in jail right now for the violent acts he should’ve committed after the infamous “clock malfunction” at Cameron a few years back. Sid should be his cellmate after the Va Tech game this year. At least throw a chair, get a T-foul, pull your team ….something. You let somebody push you around and don’t stand up for yourself, guess what you gonna get next time? The same damn thing!

                  24. wolfonthehill 03/14/2009 at 7:06 AM #

                    ^ That’s exactly what Sid (or any coach dreaming to bring their team to the top tier of the ACC) has to do at some point. Go ballistic, get T’d, get tossed, and publicly berate the officiating in the postgame press conference, taking any fines that the ACC levies. Only THAT will get anyone’s attention who matters & change the way some games are called.

                    If you don’t believe that this will work, see Coach K as Exhibit A… and Roy Williams as Exhibit B. It worked quite nicely for both of them.

                  25. redfred2 03/14/2009 at 8:06 AM #

                    Um, I can’t help but point out that “going ballistic” wasn’t seen quite so favorably by some, when it happened up in Blacksburg a few weeks ago.

                    But anyway, I agree, the coaches at the other programs need to present a case to the head offices of officiating. There is no lack of statistical data with video as evidence to back up their claim.

                    Of course if anything like that ever happened, and it never will, I’m pretty certain that Seth Greenberg would be the only coach with b*lls enough to say anything anyway.

                    Oh wait, I forgot about Gary Williams, he’d throw a few choice words I’d think.

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