Your ‘how could they miss that’ of the day – Scheyer takes at least 14 steps

We really couldn’t have asked for better timing.

In the first game played after we ran this must-read/watch entry, Duke and Saturday’s ACC officiating crew gave us another one one for the ages.

Unlike the video from last Sunday that counted 12 steps that did not result in a travel, it is impossible for me to keep count of the number of steps taken in this one.

Techinically speaking, you can easily count into the teens once Scheyer fails to establish a pivot foot when he first receives the inbounds pass as each time he places his foot on the floor represents another step. The sad thing is that in the second half of the play he is still sliding and jumping on his left foot that he thinks is his pivot foot. Even if he hadn’t traveled before, sliding/hopping on his pivot as he does would represent another travel on the play. GREAT WORK by the ACC zebras!

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47 Responses to Your ‘how could they miss that’ of the day – Scheyer takes at least 14 steps

  1. redfred2 03/01/2009 at 1:49 PM #

    That’s my fault pup, I think maybe I went a little overboard awhile back.

    I don’t think honey will do the trick. Let’s see if this statement will draw him back out of the woodwork?

    Noah is like the Jesse Helms of BB, you might not always agree with what he’s saying, but you know exactly where he stands at all times.

    I might be going about this the wrong way, but from what I’ve gathered when we have gotten off track around here by slightly delving into the political arena, I’m pretty sure that Noah would be absolutely thrilled with any comparisons to the former Senator from North Carolina.

  2. tooyoungtoremember 03/01/2009 at 1:58 PM #

    For all of you talking about how two Hokies fouled Scheyer during the walk, I think VT could have been trying to foul to stop the clock. If that’s the case, it makes bad and very biased officiating even worse by letting the clock run down, which works in Dukes favor since they were ahead at the time.

  3. redfred2 03/01/2009 at 2:03 PM #

    ^I thought the same when watching just the clip, but I didn’t see the game itself, so I didn’t know the situation or if they were trying to foul or not.

  4. StateFans 03/01/2009 at 2:11 PM #

    ^ Trying to foul if they couldn’t get the ball. That was the end of the game and VPI had pulled within one possession.

  5. cnmoodster50 03/01/2009 at 2:15 PM #

    It was bad officiating. It was similar to rec ball where the refs just want to go home and eat the whistle (both on fouls and travels).

    If you watched the game, Coach K commented to Greenberg about how that was a horrible missed call. I’m not the best lip reader, but it appeared he said “Sorry about that missed travel call. That was horrible.”

    Duke and VT is always really physical and not well officiated. To be fair, Singler got decked in the throat on a VT “box out” with no call. He laid on the court for 2 minutes and the replay showed the VT player line up, look at him, and place his elbow directly into Singler’s throat.

    These things happen, but it was definitely a missed call. I’m guessing the officials were looking for contact or a jump ball and completely disregarded his feet.

  6. wufpup76 03/01/2009 at 2:19 PM #

    My interpretation on the Scheyer play was that a walk should have been called right off the bat, and then the Hokies players were attempting to force a jump ball and a foul *could* have been called. They still had enough time there to force a turnover (which they did), a five second call, or a 10 second halfcourt call without having to foul – so I don’t believe they were going for the foul instantly.

    I have more of a problem with the no call on the initial walk, which was indisputable, than I do with the refs not calling a foul. Just a routine example of ACC officiating.

  7. JeremyH 03/01/2009 at 2:20 PM #

    This is what I’m talking about when I said Williams and K teach these kids just what exactly they can get away with. This one should be called “the sliding pivot”. If you do it gradually, you will never be called on it.

  8. redfred2 03/01/2009 at 2:27 PM #

    It’s like I said earlier, there were multiple ocassions to call SOMETHING!!! But then again, there are always multiple occassions to call a certain player for hopping around under the basket, and those don’t ever get called when they play either.

    How much more evidence is needed, it is beyond out of control. Anyone else thinking that Mr Coif himself, Swofford, is possibly keeping a little more distance between himself and this issue, than most conference Commissioners might at this point?

  9. wufpup76 03/01/2009 at 2:33 PM #

    ^I never thought I’d be saying this, but thank God for Bobby Knight.

    He is all over stuff like this on espn gameday and any game he is working. One of his comments on gameday yesterday was on how missed, bad, or non-calls have tremendous impacts on games when they otherwise shouldn’t – and how it can lead to one team or the other gaining a great advantage in momentum and game flow.

    In other words, what some of us on here have been saying for a long time.

    It was beautiful to hear. Not everything is a black helicopter conspiracy. Now we have a Hall of Fame national championship coach saying it on live tv. Thank God.

    Not that it will really change anything.

    “I’m John Clougherty. WE decide what is right to be called. We haven’t lost touch with what we’re supposed to be doing. The games needs to adjust to US. Don’t even bother trying to tell us otherwise. HAHAHAHAHHAHHAHHA!”

  10. redfred2 03/01/2009 at 2:37 PM #

    Oh wait, we can’t change anything by discussing the lousy officiating, we need to be talking the game tonight instead, we can change the outcome if we type hard enough.

  11. 61Packer 03/01/2009 at 2:39 PM #

    With apologies to Nancy Sinatra:

    These Dukes are made for walkin’,
    And that’s just what they’ll do…
    One of these days these Dukes are gonna
    Walk all over you…….

    Are you ready Heels? Start walkin’……..

  12. redfred2 03/01/2009 at 2:41 PM #

    I like the “heels” tie in there 61.

    Not that I wear heels or anything, but you know what I’m saying.

  13. redfred2 03/01/2009 at 2:54 PM #

    pup, about Bobby Knight, I could tell you a little story, BUT, I digress…

  14. MrPlywood 03/01/2009 at 2:58 PM #

    Just pathetic. Scheyer hopped on his right foot right off the bat. Easy call. And as Knight points out, the refs should look for the player to establish a pivot foot. To not call anything is even more pathetic.

    RE: the over the back non-calls — the refs are favoring the “athletic” move and physical size over position. I watched a bit of the AZ/Washington game, and AZ’s Jordan Hill had a tap and put back in the last few minutes. Too bad that he completely crashed into a smaller Washington player — who had established position — while doing it. No call. The play brought AZ to within 3, when it should have been WA on the line to stretch their 5 point lead. POSITION is a huge aspect in the basketball rulebook. A smaller defender SHOULD be able to use correct position to guard his larger opponent. A smaller rebounder SHOULD be able to use correct position to gain a rebounding advantage. Yet it is constantly ignored.

  15. redfred2 03/01/2009 at 3:08 PM #

    Plywood, that’s what I always refer to when I talk about playing “position” defense instead of running around, wasting energy, and trying prevent a player from doing basically anything. But, maybe I’m too old, I’m thinking about back when I could establish position, and stop penetration or grab a rebound because that “position” that I was smart enough to fight for, actually meant something back then, back when, the “rules” actually meant something as well.

    It’s catering to a dummy down/neighborhood/street ball mentality.

  16. JeremyH 03/01/2009 at 3:25 PM #

    its the same thing that happened with baseball and the human growth scandal(s), and if you want to stretch it, the music industry; sacrifice integrity of it for the monetary purpose it serves the people running it.

  17. redfred2 03/01/2009 at 3:32 PM #

    Whoa now JH, let’s not start trying to save the spotted owls or anything.

  18. b 03/01/2009 at 4:15 PM #

    While watching that play live I noticed that the whistle didn’t blow for the TO until 18.0 seconds, and the game clock started at 23.7, so add a 5 second call to the pile of missed calls on that play.

  19. wolfonthehill 03/01/2009 at 4:25 PM #

    Agreed that, no matter what the call was, ANY call would’ve benefited Va Tech more than a no-call. The no-call on the 16-step walk, and the subsequent hacks, are what allowed the clock to expire and preserve Duke’s win.

    So I don’t want to hear the argument, “But they fouled him!”… cool, they fouled him, call it & send Scheyer-face to the line.

    This same thing actually happened toward the end of the State-Wake game last week. After getting whistled every time we attempted to play defense in the lane in the second half (which was admittedly rare)… and after watching Tracy get mauled repeatedly with no call… Javi tried to foul with less than 10 seconds left to stop the clock, and the refs just swallowed their whistles. Javi just stopped, threw up his hands, and yelled at the ref… and rightfully so. Basically, the second-half rule was that the call favoring Wake was the one that was made. Javi finally reacted, as he should’ve.

    The next step is for Sid to just lose it one game… do what K did in the 80’s, what Roy did when he came “home” to uncch… explode during a game where we’re getting shafted, get T’d up, get tossed, then call the refs out in the postgame presser, taking any fine that undoubtedly ensues. It’s the only thing that will stop it… at least the only thing that has a chance. Take your lumps once, get the attention and respect for years to come.

  20. wufpup76 03/01/2009 at 4:30 PM #

    ^That wouldn’t be very NC State-like, wolfonthehill.

    We must always back down to others and never face challenges.

  21. Afterglow 03/01/2009 at 6:33 PM #

    I’m pretty sure all of this just has to do with certain players in elite programs wanting to earn their frequent flyer mileage… nothing wrong with that.

  22. Mike 03/01/2009 at 8:39 PM #

    I was watching at my parents with the whole family, who happen to like Duck for some reason. I was screaming all game about the blatant non calls against Duck and the bias. Scheyer proved my point and when ESPN showed it again, some eyes were opened. That was absolutely ridiculous.

    FYI, there is no 5 second call in the backcourt. The 5 second rule is only established once you cross mid court.

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