ACC officials embarrass league, spark (Jamie) ‘Luckie’ comeback

Jamie Luckie

If the ACC really wants to claim the “Best college basketball in the country” title, they have to fix their officiating. I won’t even go into some of the calls during the game (it’s a bad sign when both coaches are pissed off at the referees). The calls were bad enough, but they had to go to the monitor five times??? FIVE TIMES??? WTF! The referees in the ACC have the remote timing equipment, so I’m pretty sure the clock issues are their fault… This has to be fixed, because it’s a huge black eye to our conference that the officiating is always suspect.

— Comment from an ACC Basketball fan watching the NC State @ Virginia Tech game on Sunday

It took everything that Virginia Tech had…and even MORE than they had for them to find a way to halt NC State’s six game winning streak over the Hokies and hand NC State’s Sidney Lowe his first coaching loss in six overtime games.

When an officiating crew is so incompetent that the game has to be stopped a half dozen times to watch replays you know that you have been given the junior varsity officiating team.

NC State controlled the entire game, never trailing until overtime after taking the lead to break and 8-8 tie. But, that kind of control isn’t enough when horrible officiating can cause a mentally fragile team to crumble.

NC State led by 18 points in the second half. But even that wasn’t enough when bad officiating can create points out of thin air. Literally.

Take for example the EIGHT POINTS that Virginia Tech scored in just 35 seconds that were owed exclusively to amazing incompetent officiating.

From 12:40 to 12:05 – in just 35 seconds – Virginia Tech scored EIGHT POINTS that were ALL the direct result of HORRIBLE officiating that was so bad that even the television announcers were discussing it. (We hope to have video for you later).

First, Courtney Fells was incorrectly called for an intentional foul on a fantastic defensive play (that in the cases of different uniforms may not have been called for a foul at all).

At the time of the foul the television announcers said the following:

Capel: “Give Courtney Fells credit. He blocked the shot. Hank just happened to fall awkwardly and his face hit the baskstop under the basket. That has nothing to do with that Courtney Fells did. That’s just the laws of gravity. You’re up, you must come back down and he just ran into the backstop.

Brant: “There is no question about the face – Fells was going after the ball.”

Capel: “He blocked the shot”

Brant: “There is no question about the foul. But it is not intentional.”

On the following inbounds play that gave Tech the ball because of the intentional foul, the receiver of the inbounds pass took — get ready for this — at least SIX STEPS without dribbing the ball and without being called for a traveling violation. I am not using hyperbole. I am not kidding. If you count the shuffling of feet as twp steps instead of one then you get to seven or eight steps.

Again, this is not a joke. How in the hell can a college official MISS SIX-SEVEN-EIGHT steps with NO dribble?! (Again, we hope to have video later).

Of course, the lack of the travling call benefited the Hokies who proceeded to hit a three point basket just seconds later.

THEN…on NC State’s next possession, the Virginia Tech defender reached through the body of Dennis to Horner to get a ‘steal’ that was followed by an immediate three point basket. This play was critiqued twice by the announcers both live and during an instant replay as an obvious foul. One quote was as follows:

“He better be careful because that right there was more than a foul than anything else he has done today.”

A few other quick questions for you:
How does Seth Greenberg get T’d up…then call the ref a ‘fucking asshole’ twice (that we can see)…then call the ref that about three or four more times in the 2nd half…get thrown out of the game?

Why do they bother painting a coaching box on Seth Greenberg’s sideline?

How fitting that Jeff Allen hit the crucial shot when everyone watching the game thought he should have fouled out 15 minutes earlier?

How ironic that former Wolfpack recruit Dorenzo Hudson was granted key charging calls by throwing himself to the floor in wild jirations?

A case can be made that it is unfair to blame these kids and this team for “choking” when their play did not merit being in that position and when a competently officiated game would not have put them in that position. Their good play created the 18 point lead; why is it their fault/responsibility to have to deal with an abnormal number of points for their opponent over which their play had no input?

But, make no mistake about it — NC State had bountiful opportunities to still win this game and failed to capitalize (including Dennis Horner and Javi Gonzalez’s four missed free throws in the final seconds of the game). And, there were definitely a lot of things that could have been done differently from the Wolfpack sideline. The following are a smattering of comments from across the internet that have some value to share here.

Seth knew what he was doing, and it worked to his benefit the entire second half.

Fells goes into a shell after the bullshit intentional call. Naturally, Sid can’t get him out of it.

None of this excuses the fact that Lowe mismanaged the hell out of the end of the game, sticking with Javi after he was obviously tired (and thus extremely loose with the ball) and deciding not to play Tracy Smith after an unstoppable first half offensively.

The season is now over. I’m sure the offseason will be even worse, so get ready

Another one…

This is by far the WORST coaching i have ever seen by a NC State in 25 years……

1. Where was Johnny Thomas after his best game last week????? We would have loved to have his hustle, athleticisim, and rebounding.

2. WHY IN THE WORLD does Sid ALWAYS call a time out at then end of the game on the opposite side of the floor so we have to inbounds the ball into full court pressure.

3. After a great begining for Tracey Smith why was re relegated to the bench the last 10 min of the game ESPECIALLY after Costner fouled out.

4. There is no way a player can feel comfortable when he is snatched out of a game all the time ex. javier player about the entire game and mays played few mins. why???

5. Seth Greenburg shows he wants to win, shows his team how important posessions are, and clearly draws up plays to utilize his teams strenghts. Sid should have taken a feather out of seths hat and blown up when fells was called for a intentional foul (7 point swing because of that call alone)

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  • #35268
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    UNC didn’t take too long canning Matt Doherty even after he won 6 ACC games in his final year. Maybe we ought to take a page out of their book.

    On second thought, nah, we wouldn’t want to strive for excellence. I mean, who does that around these parts?

    #35269
    Packster
    Participant

    I have to admit that it really can’t get a whole lot worse than it is right now.

    #35270
    john of sparta
    Participant

    since y’all started it:
    yes, i watched the game, but before the game….
    my two “bitches” and i took a 6 mile walk where
    the power company had just bush-hogged the
    right-of-way for their power lines. Honey,
    our older bitch, found a four-point deer antler.
    Chloe, the youngest, ate deer poop. later, she
    threw up….just like i did (or felt like it).

    #35271
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    Houston fired their Sidney Lowe (Clyde Drexler) after two seasons. Of course, acknowledging Sid to be a mistake would be Fowler copping his own epic fail. Not going to happen.

    #35272

    I’m not calling for Lowe’s head this year, but there’s no harm in trusting someone (read: NOT LEE FOWLER) to put some feelers out there and conduct a very stealth search to see who’s interested in our job. If we can find a very good coach who shows serious interest in the job, only THEN do you consider firing Lowe. If not, you retain him. The last thing we need is a repeat of the last fiasco.

    #35273
    Dr. BadgerPack
    Participant

    It seems that many officials, across all ranks of sport, have forgotten that the mark of a well officiated game is when noone remembers your name when it is over. Over the past decade, we’ve seen an increasing number of egomaniacal/poor/showboating officials that want to be noticed as well. And when the officials are being noticed, it is never a good sign.

    #35274
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    We should fire Fowler immediately, then the new AD can fire Sid after next season. That’s what should (but won’t) happen.

    #35275
    turnoffthetv
    Member

    If this team had a win for every can of half-full or 90 percent full beer I threw against the brick wall in my garage near the end of this one, There would be no talks of Sid’s head or making it to post season play.

    The calls went both ways with the sorry a$$ officiating. So take the dang red glasses off already.U knew it was coming wolfpack nation. U knew we were gonna get up big and then give it away.

    “Give it away, give it away now. Give it away, give it away, Give it away now.” Sounds like the red hot chili peppers again showing their face with a familiar anthem that we all have become accustomed to. It dont matter if it is herb or sid these games become about as predictable as the fans with their post game comments of disgust after 90 percent of games. Show me a game that cant be predicted in pack ball with 90 to 95 percent accuracy and I will show u an effing miracle. Umm. I wonder what is going to happen when we play Wake the next game. I’m gonna take a wild guess here and say we go up by 15 at the half and eventually lose by 6, or we are down by 12 at half and fight our way back into the thing(We actually regain the lead by 3 points and Wake finally seals the deal and wins by 5. Did I just say that Pack ball is very predictable???? It cant be….

    I would like to say a BIG WTF to the REFS going back to the monitor and reviewing the plays. I was actually questioning whether there had been a mid-season amendment to the rulebooks and this was the first game where they were implementing reviewing plays. I seen (I think it was Luckie) review the intentional foul on Fells and Oh yeah the play stands. WTF???? I seen more reviews in this game than I have seen combined with all the games I have watched this year.Get somebody that can do the job refereeing the game and be done with it. Its not like u cant find someone that is willing and able to try to the job. It’s not like there isnt an unemployed person or 2 out there who could easily fill the shoes of these joke zebras. I mean really these refs are incompetent and need to be immediately replaced maybe the same thing done with the mens bball program and AD spot at NC State at the same time.

    #35276
    Daily Update
    Keymaster

    BJD95: Totally agree on what should already be happening behind the scenes. Fowler should have already been told that he either needs to find a new job or retire at the end of the Spring semester. The search for the next AD should already be happening with a strong emphasis on an AD somewhere with connections that can help us with the next basketball coaching search(i.e. the Xavier AD who hired Thad Matta and S. Miller and even was an assistant AD at the Naval Academy for a connection to TOB). The new AD should do everything possible after he is hired to help Sidney succeed, but at the same time the plan would be in place as far what happens should the plug need to be pulled after next season.

    However, we all know that isn’t how NC State operates.

    As far as the game, the refs were horrible. However, I thought the team played well overall(obviously not a good 2nd half). Mental mistakes not catching the basketball led to numerous turnovers. If we catch the damn ball a few more times, then we win the game.

    As far as coaching, Sidney did well enough that we should have won the game. It came down to a few players needing to make plays and those players didn’t make them. Horner is one of the best free thrown shooters on the team. He choked.

    We need better players. There is no easy solution to this mess that Lee Fowler created.

    #35277
    turfpack
    Participant

    YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT I KNOW ABOUT LEE-He is going to be here for as long as he likes, so you better get acustom to IT follow wolfies.
    Noone gets fired at NC WASTE-BOY I’m gald I have not spend a dime on baskertball since they run off V.
    Good luck with that gettin rid of SID-Ain’t happening guys.PERIOD!!!

    #35278
    JeremyH
    Participant

    the first half just goes to show we have enough talent to be a winner, the second half just goes to show we don’t have the coaching or leadership from the bench to do anything with it.

    take off the blinders, “bare cupboard”, “his guys”, “offense relies on a good point guard”, I’m going to break your little excuse generators. I just don’t see the coaching. And to say Sendek was better is absurd, he laid the same kind of eggs that got produced today.

    At least the lakers won.

    #35279
    wolfpackbball
    Participant

    If you’re not watching the game, but are out with your ipod and dog, then you really know nothing of what happened today. That which is flowing from your mouth really has no legitimacy. I’ll bet when we’re winning, you’ll love to sit in front of the tv. I think there’s a shirt at Wal-Mart with some of your names on it.

    We should have won, sure. Our kids got rattled. EVERYONE could see it coming after the “intentional foul”. It sucks. I’m frustrated. Firing Lowe WILL NOT fix our problem, period. It will throw us into another coach with young players, commitments gone, and behind on the recruiting trail for a year or two. I’d love to know which coach that we would want, wants this job now. Rick Barnes? Hahahaahahaha.

    #35280
    jwrenn29
    Member

    Holy cow, I thought I was the only one that thought this was HORRIBLE officiating. Especially the “blocking” foul on Ben where he stood still and the VT player jumping shoulder first into his chest and the almost murder attempt on Ben at the other end. Capel said that the ref has to swallow the whistle and put it in the players’ hands on that one. So why did they call anything at the OTHER end? Not true and I can’t believe it went to OT. That should have been a charge. But hey, I’m on the internet, so I’m crazy and part of the lunatic fringe. 🙂

    #35281
    graywolf
    Participant

    From BSIE80 “the guy has a 5 year contract. ” It’s a six year contract and no matter how good or bad it is he will serve all 6 years and then some. Remember we don’t care what happens to athletics at NC State….just ask out great AD.

    TURFPACK wrote :

    YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT I KNOW ABOUT LEE-He is going to be here for as long as he likes, so you better get acustom to IT follow wolfies.
    Noone gets fired at NC WASTE-BOY I’m gald I have not spend a dime on baskertball since they run off V.
    Good luck with that gettin rid of SID-Ain’t happening guys.PERIOD!!!

    Care to tell us WHAT you know…………

    #35282

    If there is anyone here who might know (and isn’t pulling things out of their ass) – what are the chances that Lee Fowler is shown the door? Or has what appears to be improvement in the football program earned him more goodwill from those in power?

    #35283
    dtwncsu
    Member

    The ACC needs to steep up and take some blame for bad officiating. It dose not matter who plays the refs are always making the wrong call, which latter leads to a make-up call. Smith needed to be back in the game, but Lowe knows Smith does not know how to handle a double team. As pack fans we need to quit arguing about when to fire Lowe. Let him get another year or two of his own recruits and lets see what he can do. The staff is still in a learning process; therefore, he deserves the rest of his contract. We are just a few plays away from being at 15 or 16 wins, but with no go to player we can’t finish.

    #35284

    This is my first post. Here’s what I think.

    The intentional foul call on Fells changed the game. Without that call, the odds of VT coming back are much slimmer. Sid should have gotten a tech over it. He should have went ballastic.

    Now, he should certainly send the tape to the league and ask for an explanation. If that’s an intentional foul, coaches will have to start teaching players to just let a player have a lay-up if he’s ahead of you.

    As for me, I’m done with college basketball for this year. After that play and the other crappy calls, I made a vow that if State lost I wasn’t going to watch one more second of it this year. I’ve lost all confidence in the integrity of the game. It’s just my way of protesting.

    #35285

    Maybe if Sid had the boys practice free throws, we would have won the game…

    #35286
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Just got back from Blacksburg. Crowd booed the heck out of the officials. My VT friends thought Sid did a great job coaching and thought refs robbed us of the game. 18 point lead on the road and VT has been tough, Sid had the boys prepared and had a great game plan. No doubt he had VT frustrated.

    Missed free throws hurt bad in the last 2 minutes. 0-4 at end of games spells trouble.

    Intentional foul call put them back in the game. 5 point swing! And it was not an intentional foul by rule!!! I felt it was a make up call and the game seemed full of make up calls, one after the other. Officiating was terrible.

    MaCauley was mugged at the end of game. Did they show it on TV? Officials in no way shape or form would have ignored that had it been UNC or Hansborough? the NCSU bench was pissed. Even by VT friends couldn’t believe there was no call.

    I don’t know what to say Lowe coached the game by the book, we got a big lead, milked the clock on the road to shorten the game. Got our people to the free throw line to ice the game. Then with the game tied at the end of the game we get the ball to our big man right in front of the basket for a high percentage shot or a most likely foul to send him to the line to win the game. He gets hammered, no call! ACC Commissioner owes us an explanation!

    #35287
    RagingWolf
    Member

    Where is the video? I want to see the last play of regulation. The freakin network didn’t show a replay and I am guessing there is a reason for that.

    #35288
    old13
    Participant

    Does anyone have the address for returning used NCSU sheepskins?

    #35289
    RagingWolf
    Member

    San Francisco
    Houston
    Villanova
    Marquette
    UNLV
    California
    Arkansas

    Are we in denial? Is this list where we belong?

    #35290
    turnoffthetv
    Member

    “If you’re not watching the game, but are out with your ipod and dog, then you really know nothing of what happened today. That which is flowing from your mouth really has no legitimacy.”

    I beg to differ sir. You can come to this website and learn a lot and u can DVR the game and watch later. But then again u can do all these things and it really wouldn’t matter if u were walking the dog. U will know something of what happened today merely by an educated guess. If I would have guessed and not seen a damn bit of the game I would say we lose, probably not by a BIG margin, say somewhere in the 10 point range. And I would be willing to bet not seeing the game that we probably done pretty good at some points in the game but couldnt pull out the Win if our life depended on it. But what do I know about Wolfpack Basketball.We dont really have any good wins. We dont really have any bad losses.

    Just kind of BLAH!!!!!!

    I sense a pattern over time(Years and Years) with the bad losses out-weighing the good wins. Like I say it is a miracle and everyone rushes the court when we win against UNC and DOOK. Pretty soon we will be rushing the court when we beat Georgia Tech and UVA!!!! WOW!!! And maybe I will be one of those select few who can find solitude from the sounds from an IPOD and walking the Dog.

    #35291
    packalum44
    Participant

    If we got the cold shoulder from the coaching fraternity for “running Sendek out of town”

    Ridiculous. When UNC runs out Guthridge and Daugherty I don’t remember anyone feeling sorry for them or the coaching fraternity giving them the cold shoulder. Sendek took a large pay raise to go to a school where his skills would be more suited and the fan base can be happy with being a bubble team. No one gave us the cold shoulder. We just have a pathetic AD.

    #35292

    packalum44, no one felt sorry for UNC because they were underperforming and everyone EXPECTS them to be great. Getting rid of those two was just what they had to do to regain greatness. Lil ol’ NC State, on the other hand, should have been happy with Sendek’s results they said, and thus we get hammered in the media for running away Saint Herb. We all saw the articles and heard the talking heads.

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