Basketball: Offense & Defense

Joe Giglio and ACCNow are at it again!!! Here they go again putting together some great work and elevating the News & Observer’s credibility!! (potentially with some guidance from our own choppack…see our comments section)

This morning Giglio offers some fantastic insight into both the 2008-2009 version of the Wolfpack basketball team and into Coach Lowe’s broader strategy and perspective. We will highlight some of Giglio’s points in this entry, but there is plenty in the piece that you will enjoy that we won’t quote here.

I think Giglio’s lead assessment is accurate and serves to enhance the importances two general deficiencies on this club: (1) our struggles with turnovers at the point guard position, (2) our inconsistent rebounding. (Note the improvement from going from a bad rebounding team to a more inconsistent rebounding team, largely thanks to the playing time given Tracey Smith).

N.C. State’s not a bad team, not since the first seven ACC games anyway, it’s just a team with no margin of error.

Offense
I think it should be noted that the general feel of NC State’s offense has progressed light years from where we stood when Coach Lowe took over the program. The impact of our obvious need for a premier point guard not withstanding, this offensive system is both effective and very efficient.

When veterans Brandon Costner and Courtney Fells combine for 18 points, like they did Thursday against Wake Forest, there aren’t many ACC teams N.C. State’s good enough to beat. That’s even with above average contributions from Tracy Smith (18 points) and the point guard position (20 points from the combination of Javy Gonzalez and Farnold Degand), which State got in Thursday’s 85-78 loss against a good Wake team.

State’s problem is it’s not good enough to win games with its defense. Ergo, it has to outscore the opposition (as opposed to holding it to fewer points). That means when scoring leaders Costner, Fells or Ben McCauley decide to take a powder — as they have been apt to do in the past two seasons — the chances of victory go with them.

Later in the article Giglio highlights something that we have shared with you various times in the past – Coach Lowe is known in the basketball community as an excellent offensive tactician.

If he doesn’t make it in the college game, it won’t be because he was out X-and-O’ed. Lowe is what Will Ferrell would call an above-average “strategerist.”

Thursday’s game offered both ends of the spectrum in offensive philosophy. No team in the ACC runs more halfcourt sets than N.C. State. State runs a wider variety of plays (for example, than Boston College) and more player-specific plays (for example, than UNC) than any other ACC team. The problem, since Engin Atsur’s departure in 2007, hasn’t been the design but execution.

Defense
There is no doubt that the Wolfpack’s defense and rebounding have not been strong suits over the last three seasons. With this said, I enjoyed Giglio’s insight that there is more design/strategy to some of these deficiencies than I previously recognized. That doesn’t mean I necessarily agree with the strategy – especially now that State has a roster that can legitimately go 10+ deep with talented athletes like Johnny Thomas and CJ Williams – but, it is interesting nonetheless.

State’s a passive defensive team by design. Coach Sidney Lowe would rather contest shots in the lane than pressure the perimeter. That strategy has its merits but creating turnovers and points is not one of them.

State ranks 12th in the conference in steals, 10th in blocks and 10th in field-goal percentage defense. Those are not the marks of a good defense. That’s the down side for State fans.

The bright side is better athletes usually make better defenders (save for the anomaly that is Wayne Ellington) and Lowe’s next recruiting class upgrades the program’s talent level.

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61 Responses to Basketball: Offense & Defense

  1. BJD95 02/27/2009 at 12:40 PM #

    It is a very good article, but our defensive shortcomings are deeper than anyone cares to admit. Only Fells and McCauley are adequate defensively, and we have three players (Javi, Smith, Thomas) who are flat-out awful defensively (Degand and Costoner aren’t much better, either).

    This coaching staff needs a defense-oriented assistant in the worst way.

    Still, it’s much better to watch us lose games 85-78 than it would be to watch 45-42 losses (I’m thinking about the State/Iowa Big Ten challenge game several years back).

  2. BJD95 02/27/2009 at 12:46 PM #

    This is how I rank our defensive prowess, in tiers:

    Completely Awful: Javi, Smith, Thomas
    Bad: Costner, Degand, Mays, Horner
    Marginal: CJ, Harris
    Adequate (Occasionally Good): Fells, McCauley

  3. Girlfriend in a Coma 02/27/2009 at 1:27 PM #

    I think a lot of that article is sunshine horseshit. Our effort in general is terrible — resulting in chronic terrible rebounding and defense. Bad effort is bad coaching, I don’t care how you want to excuse it.

    Sid’s supposedly “above average” (wow, talk about faint praise) offensive strategical abilities can’t begin to make up for his shortcomings elsewhere.

    And how can he be so well-regarded as a tactician with the abysmal records everywhere he goes? Who is doing the regarding?

  4. choppack1 02/27/2009 at 1:31 PM #

    As I said when someone posted, this I should sue JP Giglio for plagarism:

    Today he writes: “N.C. State’s not a bad team, not since the first seven ACC games anyway, it’s just a team with no margin of error.

    Right after the game, I wrote: “Right now, we just have no margin for error”

    SFN: Choppack…we’ve gone into the article and given you a hat-tip mention!

  5. wufpup76 02/27/2009 at 1:37 PM #

    Our defensive performances of late have been a shame, because I really thought we were making strides on both defense and rebounding earlier in the year.

    I still think we have, just not enough obviously.

    If there is a rung below “Completely Awful” that is where we were collectively last season. I will say that while Javi is still struggling quite a bit defensively, he has at least improved some on his on-ball defense (please note that’s not saying it’s good, just improved). Believe or not, Tracy Smith was worse last season defensively. Improvements are being made, maybe not at the speed or level by which they should be, but they are there.

    Help defense has been much better this season. Our collective man D has been certainly decent at times. And what happened on the boards last night was a real shame because it was the first time we absolutely got murdered on the boards … compare this to getting killed on the boards in literally every game played last season.

    Regardless of what transpires over the next couple of weeks, I think Sidney Lowe and the coaching staff have come a LONG way this season. While there are plenty of things I’m sure many would like to see improved, I feel that Coach Lowe and the staff should at least be commended for this.

    At first it was showed in preparation and game-planning. Then in-game management and rotations. Add to this that the team seems much more cohesive this season and WAY more mentally tough (not giving up or rolling over is a HUGE improvement over last season). Coach Lowe and the staff still probably have a ways to go in so far as managing personalities and the like, but obvious strides have been made. This is what most of us were looking for this season, and I’m so glad to see some of it.

    Now, if we could just put all of that together at the start of a season with some more talent and who knows ???

    Also, one last thing … This marks 2 of 3 seasons where NC State’s halfcourt offense under Sidney Lowe is one of the most effective and efficient I’ve seen around. I don’t think that’s a fluke. Considering Atsur’s injury and where we thought we were at point guard earlier this season this is a really good sign. Yes, I know there are plenty of bad signs too – turnovers, for one. But still, it should be noted.

    The inside-out philosophy certainly works when you’ve got the right/adequate components … and pretty much nobody thought Javi Gonzalez would be our best ‘run the offense’ point guard at this stage of the season. Hell, most of us thought he couldn’t even cut it in any way in the ACC (I’m not saying he’s an All-ACC point guard, but he has come a long way from a no defense, no offense, turn it over all the time point guard into a serviceable, exciting point guard who could hopefully continue to improve).

  6. ktoh 02/27/2009 at 1:47 PM #

    This is the SOS totally towing the company line are you serious ? I have not seen an offense run since he has been here.

    SFN: Wow. Thanks for admitting that you don’t know anything about basketball and announcing to the community to disregard anything you ever say.

    With three ACC games to go, NC State has scored 78 or more points in EIGHT ACC games. And, we won the most recent game where we scored less than 78.

    Additionally, we have scored more than 80 points in six ACC games and scored more than 80 points in FIVE CONSECUTIVE ACC GAMES.

    Anyone want to do the research on the last time that we have achieved this?

  7. pakfanistan 02/27/2009 at 1:51 PM #

    This is the SOS totally towing the company line are you serious ? I have not seen an offense run since he has been here.

    Statements like these are why no one takes you seriously.

  8. Classof89 02/27/2009 at 1:55 PM #

    WHat do ya’ll think of the observation in the ACC blog entry by Giglio that it will take 2-2 in our next four ACC games (including 1st rd. ACC tourney) to make the NIT? I didn’t realize Wake was snubbed by the NIT last year with a 7-9, 17-13 record.

    I’m telling you, this is not our father’s NIT. There are going to be some pretty good (albeit flawed in one way or the other) teams in the NIT this year. Will we miss out if we go 1-3 down the stretch? (win at home vs. BC OR Md, and lose the rest, including 1st round of tourney).

  9. TOBtime 02/27/2009 at 1:58 PM #

    The part about defense is right on. A good shooting or rebounding big man does not always make a good defender. Hence, you may have a tree trunk of a center but true speed and quickness at the forward positions. We have a mix that really does not excel at any of the desired traits. Ben can make sweet passes for a big man.

    I am pretty sure his offensive comments are based on confirmed numbers. Our offense can really be awesome to watch but it has to executed correctly. The PG starts the execution. Nuff said.

  10. BJD95 02/27/2009 at 1:58 PM #

    I would agree that the offense is remarkably efficient, especially given the fact that all of our PGs pretty much suck.

  11. Rochester 02/27/2009 at 2:03 PM #

    The NIT isn’t a gimme any more. There are more and more Division I teams every year. The NIT has tightened up who gets in, limiting “at-large” spots by automatically offering a spot to any conference regualar-season champ that doesn’t make the NCAA. If we don’t finish strong we could easily be left out. Then again, if we don’t finish strong, maybe we should take a break.

    Right now I think we’ll play ourselves into the NIT, but I’m not sure we’ve clinched that yet.

  12. wufpup76 02/27/2009 at 2:23 PM #

    ^As for the NIT, I thought Wake declined last season – but I guess that is wrong. I would’ve thought otherwise they would’ve been a shoe-in even with the tougher requirements for entry.

    So far as my posts are concerned, I try to be objective and fair. I’m not a believer in “toeing the company line” nor am I trying to create false sunshine where there is none. I actually probably point out more things I see as “needing improvement / correction” more than heaping praise.

    I’m not entirely sold on Sidney Lowe, but I’ve not made up my mind to completely shut the door on him either. If by year 4 or 5 we still haven’t made the NCAA tourny or there are obvious things that continue to happen that aren’t getting fixed – it’s simple, we’ll have our answer. He will be here next year, and I will welcome him and hope for the best. He will more than likely be here in what would be year 5 … but you’d better believe the stakes *really* get ratcheted up starting next season.

    It’s up to our fearless university leaders to not allow this to become another fan base dividing HWSNBN era. It should be abundantly clear what to do after year 5, if not year 4. If they fail us again, then you know where to put the ultimate blame.

    I’m not trying to be on or start a “Sidney Lowe Sunshine Squad”. Four years is what he is getting from me unless there is another season like year 2. Until that time passes, I will endeavor to point out both the good and the bad. If the university administration can’t make what should be a clear decision after that then here we go again …

  13. waxhaw 02/27/2009 at 2:36 PM #

    Good article — 2 things to point out.

    During that 4-4 stretch, 3 of the losses are @UNC, @Wake and UNC at home. Not too many teams would win those. (The other loss was on the road at a bubble VT team.)

    I realize that our defense is not great and it’s horrendous over the season as a whole. I wonder if statistically, the defense picked up when we started playing better. Does anyone know? He mentioned, fg% defense, turnovers and blocked shots. What are those stats over the last 8-10 games?

  14. Rick 02/27/2009 at 2:48 PM #

    “This is the SOS totally towing the company line are you serious ? I have not seen an offense run since he has been here.”

    You know nothing about basketball. Nothing.

    It is obvious Sid knows how to put his players in a position to score. And not in a “pass it around the perimeter and jack up a three” sort of way. He understands offense.

    The questions are can he
    1) Recruit well enough
    2) Run the program
    3) Teach defense

    IMO he needs to bring in a coach to teach defense. We do not have to be Duke but we need to be a little better than we are. It might be some lack of athletic ability but we should be better than we are.

    He has made alot of strides in running the program. He has shown the ability to learn and that is the key.

    Lastly, I think he can recruit but we shall see.

    The verdict is still out but I feel a lot better than I did a month ago.

  15. STLPack01 02/27/2009 at 2:49 PM #

    The difference between this years team and last years (and previous years) is that we have ZERO bad losses. We have not lost to a single team outside of the top 100. We are performing better offensively, and aren’t getting blown out. We aren’t getting blown out because we are not giving up, which is what we did last year. This team is improved over what we had last year, and much of it can be attributed to Sid. (who else would it be attributed to?) He’s learned some hard lessons, but he’s learned them, and will continue to learn.

    The idiot above who says that he hasn’t seen us run an offense has obviously forgotten the HWSNBN days. HWSNBN could set up an offensive scheme, but couldn’t draw up a play to score a key basket to save his life. Sid has that ability, and it was apparent last night.

    I was disapointed in the loss, but I do think we are light years better than last year.

  16. pakfanistan 02/27/2009 at 2:55 PM #

    … but you’d better believe the stakes *really* get ratcheted up starting next season.

    You may as well give this idea up. There’s nothing that indicates we’ll be better next season than we are this season, and I would expect us to be slightly worse.

    You’re looking at a team with:

    Brown
    Gonzalez
    Degand
    Mays
    Ferguson
    Wood
    Williams
    Thomas
    Howell
    Horner
    Smith

    What’s your starting five out of that? You’re pretty much guaranteed Brown and Smith. Then you’re left filling in the other three spots with backup caliber players. Williams might step up and replace Fells, and now you only need two, but you still don’t have the lights out shooter or the post defender.

    We have too much glue and not enough macaroni.

    SFN: It is hard to argue too much against your perspective that we will have ‘too much glue and not enough macaroni’…but I respectfully disagree with some of your pessimism.

    I also think you are discounting how good Brown, Howell and Wood are. Next year’s team will be young but broadly talented. Additonally, recruiting may not be done for next year. If you had just one piece of macaroni to that mixture and who knows what can heppen.

  17. wufpup76 02/27/2009 at 3:08 PM #

    ^The idea that I put forth about the stakes ratcheting up has nothing to do with who will or won’t be on our roster next season.

    What I was saying was that it will be / has been up to Sidney Lowe to have us in a position to be demonstrably better by year 4 of his era. If he hasn’t done that, then there you go … There’s no one else to blame. No “HWSNBN’s recruits are screwing us over!” or “Sidney needs more time!”

    It was up to him to have us in position to be an NCAA tournament team by year 4 or at least show that we should stick with him.

  18. StateFans 02/27/2009 at 3:16 PM #

    BJD…it’s funny because I have a different perspective on almost all of these as it relates to defense:

    Costner is an absolutely awful defender.

    Fells is either a superstar or awful. Little in between.

    Javi is awful.

    I don’t put Smith & Thomas in awful because I lump rebounding in with defense a little.

    I think CJ has a chance to develop a strong niche as a defender. The development of his outside shot has bee a fantastic addition for us for the future.

    I will say this — I definitely agree about the ‘effort’ issue. IMHO, the inconsistent commitment and hustle/effort from different players on the team is my primary complaint and is unacceptable.

    I have often considered posting some videos of the extreme laziness but have chosen not to. But, there are times when some of the players’ lack of effort and hustle is so obvious and so blatant that it will make your head spin. No players are more guilty at the extreme side than Costner and Fells. When they loaf they really loaf.

  19. pakfanistan 02/27/2009 at 3:20 PM #

    ^The idea that I put forth about the stakes ratcheting up have nothing to do with who will or won’t be on our roster next season.

    What I was saying was that it will be / has been up to Sidney Lowe to have us in a position to be demonstrably better by year 4 of his era. If he hasn’t done that, then there you go … There’s no one else to blame. No “HWSNBN’s recruits are screwing us over!” or “Sidney needs more time!”

    It was up to him to have us in position to be an NCAA tournament team by year 4 or at least show that we should stick with him.

    Yeah, the problem is, recruiting has basically set us back two years. Next years class will basically be the first class that will have us headed in the direction to meet expectations. The first three years of Sid’s tenure are basically a wash. The only starter we got out of those three classes is Smith. We might get two out of next years class and two out of the next years class. Then we’ll have a basketball team, only we’ll be young because it will be two freshmen, two sophomores and a senior. And the refrain will be, WTNY!

    Anyway, my point is, if you’re resigned to giving Lowe more time, go ahead and resign yourself too giving him at least three more years. He started so far behind the curve in experience and recruiting that you may as well count this year as his first real year.

  20. choppack1 02/27/2009 at 3:27 PM #

    STLpack01 – nice post. I agree w/ a lot of what you said.

    While we are talking about next year, chalk me up as one of those who are worried. I’ve seen huge improvement in the coaching and team this year…(and it’s basically the same team w/ 1 new player seeing significant time) – in terms of effort and execution.

    As much as we’d like to think that Sid has turned a corner though, unless we do something spectacular in the next 7 games, Sid really hasn’t shown us that he can win at this level consistently w/ his own guys – that’s the bad news.

    The good news is that Sid has shown much more flexibility in terms of personnel management than he has shown his previous 2 years. I think he’s also done a better job preparing the team for it’s opponent. And although you may not believe it, I do think we’ve improved on the boards.

    Next year, unless something unexpected happens, we lose guys whom our offense runs through and our most consistent performers. Thankfully, Smith is getting the experience of playing regularly in conference play…but right now, he’s the only proven commodity we’ll have in the low post if Costner (as expected) doesn’t return.

    We’ll see though – we should be more athletic and faster. Also, 3 of the guys who will start (Javi or Degand, Horner or Williams and Smith) will have had extensive experience. I think Brown comes in and picks up one of the starting spots. I’ve read enough conflicting reports on Howell, that I’m not sold that he can come in and start effectively as a freshman. This doesn’t mean he won’t be good or he can’t do it, but what I’ve read about him makes me wonder if he’s ready to be a starter in the ACC in 10 months.

  21. Alpha Wolf 02/27/2009 at 3:46 PM #

    Some folks don’t want to let go of the idea that Lowe has done a decent job this year in many respects, even if this is a disappointing year. I respectfully disagree.

    I think that next year the team may indeed take a small step back early but will be twice as good as this edition from late January on.

    This incoming class will indeed have some talent. If (and that’s a big if) it translates to improved defense then I think we will all be happy a year from now and planning to take the day off and watch the Pack in action in the round of 64.

  22. txpack 02/27/2009 at 3:53 PM #

    Defense is all about the Position and Speed. Most of players are lack of speed, so most of time they are in a bad position to defend (especially in transition). It will be interesting to see us play zone defense all the time, then players may position themselves better.

    McCauley is at most an average defender. He is slow and not athletic. When we played zone past few games, he allowed players on his side drive on baseline few times. His size does give him advantage under the basket. Outside the red zone, he could not do much defensively.

    Now days, kids do not like to play defense because it takes a lot of energy and may impact your offense. People like to see fast pace and high profile offense (dunks, fast breaks, alley-ous). Phoenix Suns (not this year’s) are excited, San Antonio Spurs are boring:)

    Rebounding is all about position and will. Many times our player did not boxed out and opponents got second chance and scored. Our guys sometime are just unwilling to chase losing balls or they are just too slow.

    I expect when Lowe get more athletic recruits in, we will have better defense.

  23. burnbarn 02/27/2009 at 3:56 PM #

    I agree Alpha, I think we will start out slow again next season (does the wolfpack know any other way?) but will come around sometime during the ACC season. If we can add a wall or a cousins then it might be different.

    That being said, We really are not going to have the team we really want until 2011 when Leslie and Harrow are sophs.

  24. txpack 02/27/2009 at 4:02 PM #

    I think Lowe has done a good job so far this year!

    For your record, before the ACC play, SFN asked us to predict our conference records in this thread (OTR: Predict Pack’s ACC Record (with bonus imbalanced schedule stats). Here is what you said (BJD refused to put his numbers:):

    BJD – Excuse me, but I did an entire entry complete with breakdowns against the various ACC tiers – see here. The only way that I will be wrong overall or within the tiers is if the Pack wins out. I was wrong about Ferguson’s return being crucial, though.

    com state10 7-9
    Rochester 7-9
    tvp1 5-11
    seanb724 5-11
    sautz 3-13
    ChuckAllYall 6-10
    Dan 4-12
    LKNpackfan 6-10
    Classof89 5-11
    BSIE80 10-6 +/- 5
    WV Wolf 5-11
    hball57 9-7
    highstick 3-13 or 4-12
    Packster 4-12 or 5-11
    wolfpackbball 5-11 or 6-10
    Ed89 9-7
    Wulfpack 6-10
    JeremyH 6-10
    Trip 8-8 or 3-13
    old13 3-13
    JimValvano 5-11 to 9-7
    Astral Rain 6-10
    b 8-8
    Daily Update 5-11
    wolfonthehill 5-11
    Alpha Wolf 6-10
    questiontheanswers 6-10
    Cardiac95 4-12
    packer74 6-10
    BladenWolf 5-11
    Dr. BadgerPack 7-9
    harrisek 4-12
    blpack 8-8
    61Packer 0-16
    Wolf74 3-13 or 4-12
    packfanstk 9-7

  25. wufpup76 02/27/2009 at 4:08 PM #

    pakfanistan,

    I absolutely agree that next year may in fact be considerably worse than even this season. There’s nothing that suggests we will all of a sudden become a NCAA tourny team. I also agree with you about the recruiting angle with respect to giving Coach Lowe time.

    I can only hope there are some hard cut-off points and/or goals set by the AD/University that have to be achieved within a certain timeframe. Another fan base division is the last thing needed.

    But who am I kidding? NC State athletics – goals set? measurements of success? not ridiculing your own fanbase while taking their money? WHAT???

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