More on Brown and Howell

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WRAL.com/99.9 FM has posted an audio interview with Rivals.com chief recruiting analyst, Jerry Meyer. Some more background and insight on the Pack’s latest two recruits as well as other recruits like John Wall and Derrick Favors.

This guy does not seem optimistic re Favors.

If Howell is truly a “warrior” down low, then we’re going to like him very much.

Meyer repeats these rumors that we discussed last week.

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69 Responses to More on Brown and Howell

  1. ncsumatman 07/29/2008 at 7:12 PM #

    I have to give props to the GT post. going on gut alone they have put more guys in the nba sine their final 4 run than any other acc team.

    I’m excited about the class so far, and would think Kelly would be an absolute perfect finish. lowe seems to be a superb recruiter, and we can only hope to rehash the coaching of year 1.

    sent from a treo, disregard grammar

  2. redfred2 07/29/2008 at 9:15 PM #

    “Regarding one-and-done players, the only programs I can think of that consistently land those guys are UNC (where they seem to stay forever), Dook, Kansas, UCLA, and maybe Florida. (+ Memphis)”

    Noah, and everyone who is in agreement with Noah on that statement, that is exactly what I’ve been talking about. Rocky start and all, Sidney Lowe is here to build one of those programs at NC State. You must have a basketball P R O G R A M, and a solid core of players who can at least compliment, if not compete with, the newest big time recruits, in order for those potential one and doners to even consider coming back for another season of collegiate BB.

    Sidney Lowe has his own problems to deal with right now, but if he can refocus and get his head on straight again, I still believe, like I always have, that he is the best man for the job.

  3. highstick 07/29/2008 at 9:25 PM #

    I’m going to be the guy from Missouri from now on! Show me!! I’ve had enough of the promises and hype…just show me!

  4. SidtheKid 07/29/2008 at 9:47 PM #

    OT fyi to site admins and other on this site

    I like the sporting news football preseason rankings

    http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=430186

  5. JeremyH 07/29/2008 at 10:14 PM #

    I heard that Brown was fairly certain for a while. Howell and Harrow seem to be sleepers, so we need to watch them to see how great a catch they are. (Although this idea of Howell being cut from the same cloth as Hickson sounds great.) I would really like us to get either Favors or Kelly, and *then* say this is a top class. By the way, I’m all for “one-and-done” players if they improve visibility and recruiting like it has, but we still need to build around a core that we know we can get at least 3 years out of (see Hansborough, Lawson). Note as the program elevates to the previous level and beyond, the kids may even choose to stay longer even when draftable, like the two girls I mentioned.

  6. sf59 07/30/2008 at 12:00 AM #

    ^At one point before a string of injuries howell was the top rated 2009 prospect…not a true sleeper. Since healing he is regaining his form

    It looks like we will take 4-5 and the 5th would depend on who wants it

    Plan A:
    Favors
    Kelly

    Plan B:
    Dewitt
    Wilson

    Plan C:
    Adams
    Sherill

    Wall- he is his own plan. If he does not commit over the AAU season I imagine we will try and recruit him at WOG this fall. He would bring great visability for a year, but team wise bigs would be better 🙂

  7. vtpackfan 07/30/2008 at 6:19 AM #

    How ’bout plan D. Get X. Nixon to walk on as when he is a RS for TOB. Probably not ACC BB level player, but athletic enough to get up and down the floor and the size to bang inside.

    Crazy thought. I’m just paronoid that Lowe has over correctd the “true PG” position dilema into a possible “true big” void.

  8. choppack1 07/30/2008 at 7:28 AM #

    highstick – I think your statement is very reasonable.

    How many times have we Wolfpack fans gotten all worked up about recruiting only to be let down when you actually have to play a game. Heck, last year certainly falls in that category.

    I really think that w/ Sid – recruiting is the least of our worries. I see no evidence that he can’t target kids and sign them. I actually feel really good about our shot if he can get in our living room.

    However, this is college basketball. And the recruits and the staff are the foundation of the program. However, The rest of the “proverbial” house, is how they are managed when they step on campus. And just because you have a great foundation doesn’t mean you have a good house.

    I’ll know that we have the ship pointed in the right direction if our kids show up in shape, if we play good defense and rebound well, and we’re well-prepared. Another thing to watch for: when we play crappy teams, we should throttle them. If we’re doing that, I’ll start to think that we have the right guy.

  9. Noah 07/30/2008 at 7:55 AM #

    I think we’re kind of saying the same thing – you’re better off getting a kid ranked 26-100 who will stay at least 2 years than you are getting a kid ranked 1-25, who will go pro after his first year. I’d argue that even if you can get this kind of kid every year – if you are depending on him to produce, you won’t have sustainable results.

    That is exactly what I am saying. Unlike UNC, we apparently have no one willing to make a deal with satan to get these kids to stay for 17 years.

  10. burnbarn 07/30/2008 at 8:13 AM #

    ^ Noah,
    You have hinted in some past posts about the staff not being around the program like they should. Are you still hearing that?

  11. primacyone 07/30/2008 at 8:35 AM #

    Article on Sidney Lowe/Worldwide Renegades

    “With a point guard or a power forward, you can’t go wrong with Sidney Lowe”. Desmond Eastmond, the director of Worldwide Renegades.

    http://www.news-record.com/content/2008/07/30/article/for_nc_stateaposs_lowe_georgias_always_on_his_mind

  12. primacyone 07/30/2008 at 8:49 AM #

    Fun times ahead folks.

    In a couple of years the weave and heave will be HISTORY!!!

  13. pakfanistan 07/30/2008 at 9:27 AM #

    In it’s place will be the quail offense. Scatter and shoot!

  14. 66pack 07/30/2008 at 9:40 AM #

    agree with highstick.will become optimistic when i see something on the court.until then it’s all verbal masturbation.

  15. primacyone 07/30/2008 at 9:51 AM #

    ^^Did you miss the JJ Hickson action last year or something????

    I don’t think there is any doubt about what Sidney WANTS TO DO.

    Put all of Sid’s top recruits on a team and you think the plan is to go Scatter and Shoot????

    JJ Hickson
    CJ Leslie
    Richard Howell
    Ryan Harrow
    Lo Brown

    If a Derrek Favors or Ryan Kelly come on down to take JJ’s spot, the team will look just like that in a couple of years. Tracy Smith/Scott Wood fit very nicly in that plan as well. I may be missing something, but I dang sure don’t see scatter and shoot as the long term game plan.

  16. Noah 07/30/2008 at 9:51 AM #

    You have hinted in some past posts about the staff not being around the program like they should. Are you still hearing that?

    I haven’t heard anything, positively or negatively, in the past couple of months.

    After last year, I can’t imagine they would do it again.

  17. Noah 07/30/2008 at 9:52 AM #

    I don’t think there is any doubt about what Sidney WANTS TO DO.

    Hopefully, it’s not, “Put four guys on one side of the court by themselves by the scorers table while one guy “isolates” and goes one-on-four.

    That doesn’t work in college.

  18. primacyone 07/30/2008 at 10:04 AM #

    What kind of offense do you think Sidney wants to run???

  19. statered 07/30/2008 at 10:21 AM #

    Thus far Sid has run a number of different things including the flex. I do think he wants to spread the floor when he has a big man down low – he just needs shooters and slashers which we did not have last year. What offense he runs is the least of our worries and demonstrates that there are many that, in Noah’s words, “don’t know *&% all” about basketball.

    Defense and effort are the keys for Sid, not offense.

  20. packalum44 07/30/2008 at 10:25 AM #

    he wants to run an up-tempo college offense similar to the offenses that win championships….Kansas, Florida, UNX, U-Conn, Dook

    He was quoted after watching Tennessee and Memphis last year that he loved watching that game b/c there were no set plays called and they ran up and down all game. I used to get so frustrated watching him call plays the past few years but I think he hates it too.

    He had little faith in our past teams b/c we have Princeton personnel. Even our best players, Costner and Ben aren’t the right fit. If our 3 star guys, CJ and Mays turn out to be good similar to the Chris Douglas Roberts or Joey Dorseys, we will be competitive in a few years.

  21. primacyone 07/30/2008 at 10:31 AM #

    ^Those are my thoughts exactly. I really don’t see how anyone could think otherwise.

  22. choppack1 07/30/2008 at 11:00 AM #

    packalum – I agree w/ you to a certain extent. however, what was stopping him from putting Grant at the 4 or Smith at the 4 – and running more – running different sets?

    I really think part of the problem has been Sid’s refusal to play what he wants to play and his rigidity in his personnell management in the games.

    It was one thing his first year when he had no one he had recruited – so he had little options. But last year – he had enough of his guys to at least give us a glimpse what we could see – especially when the wheels fell off and it became apparent we might not even make the NIT game.

  23. GAWolf 07/30/2008 at 11:22 AM #

    I have a question in all this recruiting talk:

    Do you think our current players high five at the prospect of contributing classes coming in or do you think they moan and groan?

    That’s as much of building a winning program as anything… creating the attitude that playing time is earned and it’s earned every year.

  24. Dr. BadgerPack 07/30/2008 at 11:26 AM #

    Chop- He could have shown “his offense” early on… but why would he do it when it was apparent the NIT wasn’t even an option? I mean, don’t give the other coaches video or anything to plan a defense with in the offseason– wait until the beginning of the year.

    There will be enough of a learning curve if he runs this year. Don’t compound things by giving a preview in a “meaningless” game and have to learn on the fly against a well prepared team. What is a coach from last year looking at in preparation for NC State now? Probably another team. 🙂

    Sure, it would have been fun for the fans to watch. But trying your new offense for the fans, since there’s nothing to play for is counterproductive for the future. At least that’s what I think.

    That said… He now has enough people that there really shouldn’t be any excuse not to push it. He certainly has enough guards and wings.

  25. transylvania 07/30/2008 at 11:43 AM #

    Sorry to be off-topic, but wasn’t there a story in yesterday’s N&O about the Pack picking up a “huge” OL recruit from SC, but today there’s nothing on it in their archives or on Scout? What gives?

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