Barbrady mentality

Once again, the darlings in Chapel Hill get a pass. Per the N&O:

UNC-Chapel Hill will not face sanctions over a pickup game Tuesday.

The men’s basketball team played with Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama in violation of a rule that coaches are not allowed to watch pickup games during the offseason.

Division I basketball teams are also prohibited from any mandatory athletically related offseason activities through final exams, which began Monday.

The N&O report that Coach Roy Williams “knew he wasn’t supposed to be at the Smith Center practice gym under” — get this — “the letter of the NCAA rules.” He was, of course, allowed to beg off by declaring “extraordinary circumstances.” The NCAA, not always inclined to give area teams the benefit of the doubt or to bend “the letter of NCAA rules” to common sense and decency, of course fell into lockstep immediately.

“This was a unique situation and not an NCAA issue,” NCAA media relations director Erik Christianson said in an e-mail. “It certainly was a great opportunity for the student-athletes to interact with a presidential candidate.”

I will not dispute that that is pretty much how I view it myself. On the other hand, that is not at all how the NCAA has operated in like situations, when common sense has differed from the letter of their rules. They have often been quick to spot the unfair advantage, and one could also be seen here (the first commenter to the N&O story, in fact, sees that this was an unfair advantage).

The NCAA has been quick to spot unfair advantages before, but only when they had been inclined to look, an inclination that depends, it seems, on the school involved.


Update: Here’s another perspective on the issue from Jeff Taylor at The MeckDeck, who accuses the NCAA of “situational ethics” and says this incident is more confirmation that the NCAA is a political body, “winking its face off at a clear violation of the organization’s rules just because a political candidate is involved”:

Everyone knows — or should know — that I’m completely in the tank for the Tar Heels. Yet their pick-up game yesterday with Barack Obama, watched from the sidelines by coach Roy Williams, totally violated the ban on coaches watching players during a NCAA “blackout” period.

The N&O reports today that the NCAA will take no action because of the “unique” nature of the situation. Well, excuse me, but the NCAA is a past master of enforcing the letter of the law on countless unique situations, most involving absolutely no intent to break the rules or gain an advantage.

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54 Responses to Barbrady mentality

  1. Noah 04/30/2008 at 2:07 PM #

    Back up a second…you think there’s something wrong with having “Hussein” as a middle name? That’s like saying complaining because someone from India is named “Patel.”

    Everyone named “McVeigh” or “Manson” has to change their name? I quote Michael Bolton from Office Space, “Why should I change my name? He’s the one who sucks!”

    As far as the Carolina pick-up game goes, I’m fine with it and think the NCAA would be extraordinarily stupid to do anything about it. And if John McCain or Ron Paul wants to go play basketball with them, I’m fine with that too. In fact, I’d probably buy a ticket to see John McCain try it…

  2. CarnifeX 04/30/2008 at 2:21 PM #

    The only pickup game that I have a problem with is the one with former players. It was in direct violation in the manner in which the rule was written. Former players are not allowed to be recruiting tools.

  3. kool k 04/30/2008 at 2:24 PM #

    At least State never went 8-20

  4. Clarksa 04/30/2008 at 2:41 PM #

    Why couldn’t the “great opportunity for a student-athlete to interact with a presidential candidate” happen in a classroom?

  5. SMD 04/30/2008 at 3:03 PM #

    I think was is being overlooked it that this was much more a political/media event, that happened to be a pickup basketball game. It’s not like the guys were playing anyway and Obama happened to drop by. All of this was done specifically for the cameras.

    I suppose there is a larger argument about the use of student-athletes for political imagery, but I doubt if anyone “made” them go. Heck, the probably jumped at the chance.

    Not to get too political – but that kind of imagery is what the Obama campaign wants considering that their opponent for the fall is more than 70 years old.

    In any event – yeah, it seems convenient that the NCAA is finally using some common sense here, but you’d be hard pressed to say that they would come after any other school for the same kind of thing.

    It’s like speeding tickets. The law enforcement officer is the first judge you ever face. Sometimes, given the circumstances, they let you go scott free. Very few rules or laws, if any, are applied every time a violation occurs. To do so, flies in the face of common sense.

    To bring this back to the larger point of the blog – what is more pathetic is that we haven’t done enough athletically for a national campaign to even think of a similiar event with us.

    And then of course you have the point that I made on the other thread. There have been two events with the Obamas at State and UNC-CH. One school knows how to use stuff like that, while the other is inept.

  6. choppack1 04/30/2008 at 3:27 PM #

    I’ll say this – given the difference in the demographics between the two, no way Obama would ever choose the Pack over the Heels. I think even if this was 1987, Obama visits the Heels. In the late 90s, early 2000, I doubt he visits Duke.

    The NCAA should have a problem w/ this since it was a photo opp. As far as I know, it’s the only event where Obama has played pick up b’ball w/ a college team.

  7. b 04/30/2008 at 3:58 PM #

    “Roy can violate this rule (any)time he wants considering the number of times UNC players voluntarily play pickup games, he does not need to do it with cameras rolling.”

    This has been proven several times with (insert NCAA “rule” here).

  8. Texpack 04/30/2008 at 4:29 PM #

    The only reason it pisses me off is because of what the NCAA, at the behest of UNC-CH, did to State over David Thompson doing essentially the same thing that was done here. Nailing either school with a violation would be stupid, but look who got nailed.

  9. Primewolf 04/30/2008 at 7:10 PM #

    I would like to see us contact the NCAA with a writeen inquiry and force them to respond. point out some facts in a news conference. I would like to see us hold a newsconference and raise hell about it, pointing out the facts noted above.

    But, then again, we are NC State, so we are too cowardly to do any or all of the above. We will just accept what ever little bone we get thrown our way once per decade and take all the kicking the local media, NCAA, and UNC minions can to throw our way.

  10. redfred2 04/30/2008 at 7:57 PM #

    I know this sort of off topic, but it’s more bad news for NCSU fans. It seems one of NCSU’s assistant coaches was seen fishing on the same body of water as a potential high school angler. The NCAA is being pretty tight lipped about it at the moment, and they’ll definitely need more time to hear what nearby coaches are telling them before they bring down the hammer. Also, they’ll need time to get their two facts straight. To add even more fuel to the fire, that same potential fishing recruit once sold a pair waders to a buddy who had a hole in his own pair. As we Wolfpack fans all know, any attempt to sell footwear is NEVER, EVER, a good thing. That kid is just not up to NCSU standards anyway.

    I would expect that the NCAA may come down on our National Championship Bass Fishing program because of this, but nothing to the extent of our own leadership. Especially after those poor little administrators have been forced to suffer through yet another humiliating and embarassing episode like this terrible bass fishing/ footwear incident.

  11. highstick 04/30/2008 at 8:24 PM #

    Mike Easley just said Hillary was as “tough as Tyler Hansborough”!

  12. redfred2 04/30/2008 at 8:25 PM #

    If Obama had come to NCSU instead of unc, he would have been shuffled around to stuffy meeting after stuffy meeting, to see this and that, and all the while someone would have been trying to convince him what a prim and proper place NC State University is.

    But, Obama goes to unc instead, and guess what, he plays B A S K E T B A L L. Obama is smart enough to know, unc is smart enough also, and they both know where to go for maximum effect.

  13. redfred2 04/30/2008 at 8:35 PM #

    highstick, did he say anything about how both of their eyes look like they’re going to bug out at any minute too.

  14. BoKnowsNCS71 04/30/2008 at 8:36 PM #

    If Obama was not so scrawny and more built then he would have come over to state to practice with Tom O’Brian and some real football players.

  15. redfred2 04/30/2008 at 9:02 PM #

    Bo, if Oblinger and Fowler had gotten hold of Obama, he would have been in some fancy hall with his pinky stuck out, eating cucumber sandwiches with all of the big boosters. And you know the public would have been dying to see the news coverage on that.

    He was at unc. unc knows the importance of athletics to their overall welfare. NCSU, on the other hand, has no idea whatsoever of what is important to their own welfare.

  16. ClassOf95 04/30/2008 at 9:28 PM #

    I’m proud of most of you guys for seeing that this was no big deal. Earlier someone said that they would shake Bush’s hand and stand beside him if they got the chance. I’d stand beside him too. And deal the biggest fart I could muster. He’s not the only one who can act innocent while committing crimes and abuses!

  17. redfred2 04/30/2008 at 9:30 PM #

    I’m so jaded against unc, that everything they do p*sses me off.

    Is this all trivial? Yes, but is it any more trivial than an already signed to attend NCSU, David Thompson, playing BB with his assistant coach? Is it trivial enough to cost someone an entire year of NCAA eligibility?

  18. SuperStuff 05/01/2008 at 6:13 AM #

    My favorite infraction was Maktar getting paid by Sonny Vaccaro to work a NIKE camp. Instead of the NCAA making UNC-CH forfeit games for using an ineligible player they came up with just pay the money back and you can play. The funnest thing was the NCAA made that ruling in record time when I’ve seen players at other schools sit for months for them to rule on their eligibility.

  19. Noah 05/01/2008 at 8:00 AM #

    I’m proud of most of you guys for seeing that this was no big deal. Earlier someone said that they would shake Bush’s hand and stand beside him if they got the chance. I’d stand beside him too. And deal the biggest fart I could muster. He’s not the only one who can act innocent while committing crimes and abuses!

    Sadly…this is one of Junior’s favorite jokes. I’m not kidding. I really…really…REALLY wish I was. He thinks this is the height of comedy.

  20. smile102 05/01/2008 at 8:38 AM #

    “It’s not so much that UNC should be punished for having a pick up game with a presidential candidate (although I think that they will gain an unfair advantage from this).”

    So no rule was broken if Roy didn’t go? If so, then what was the advantage gained, as it relates to Roy’s presence there?

  21. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 05/01/2008 at 10:44 AM #

    A lot of people think they are breaking a law for good reason, usually the police don’t agree. Seems like the cops in this case are looking the other way even with all the video evidence.

    I wouldn’t agree that the UNC basketball team endorsing a political candidate during exam week really qualifies as a good reason to break the rules. Of course there is a recruiting advantage here and is clearly a flagrant violation of NCAA rules flaunted in the international media.

    Someone needs to strongly suggest to the NCAA to reconsider their initial statement. If not, I think NC State should start our annual spring game against Mayor Meeker, Richard Moore, Bev Perdue, Bob Graham and BJ Lawson.

  22. nycfan 05/01/2008 at 12:19 PM #

    Wait a minute, FTR, David Thompson did not forfeit a season of play, freshman were not allowed to play then.

    It is true, though, that the ’73 team went undefeated and was not allowed to go to the NCAA Tournament.

    Also, I’m pretty sure that the probation stemmed not from a pick-up game when Thompson was enrolled at State but for staying free in a State dorm and working out with Ed Beidenbach (sp?) at a camp before ever enrolling at State (though I think it was the summer b/4 his freshman year, so he would have been committed to play at State). The NCAA thought State was trying him out or working him out in advance of when they were supposed to get to work with Thompson. Of course now not only are freshmen eligible, but they are allowed to enroll in summer school the summer before their freshman year and work out with S&C coach and play all manner of informal (i.e., not scheduled or attended by coaches, wink, wink) pick-up games.

    I’m not saying the penalty was reasonable (today, I think for a similar level of violation at most you might lose a scholarship or maybe just some recruiting time) in light of the infraction, btw. Also, I’ve never seen anyone produce any evidence that UNC or Dean Smith personally turned State in — I’ve certainly heard the claim forever but never met anyone with any proof other than that’s what they heard or that’s what Norm Sloan said at a booster club meeting.

  23. Sweet jumper 05/01/2008 at 1:13 PM #

    In David Thompson’s book, Skywalker, he says that the NCAA investigator was Bill Guthridge’s college roommate, and that he flew into RDU, spent the weekend with Guthridge and then came to Raleigh for the investigation. Thompson believes that Guthridge blew the whistle at Dean Smith’s urging. Contrary to Dean’s assertion that he never missed signing a player that he truly wanted, he offerred scholarships to Thompson, Burleson and Lowe and Tom McMillen for that matter.

  24. nycfan 05/01/2008 at 2:01 PM #

    Does Thompson merely assert that is the case (or that he heard that was the case) or did he have any proof? Just curious — it seems like one of those things that has passed into gospel on nothing more than (possibly bitter, possibly true, maybe both) word of mouth over the last 30 years.

    I have never heard Dean say that he didn’t miss signing a player he truly wanted … I swear if you mention Tom McMillen today he probably still feels sick and I’ve heard him talk about missing on guys … which does not prevent certain fans from claiming otherwise, I know. I did not know UNC had offered Lowe, though.

  25. Sweet jumper 05/01/2008 at 2:44 PM #

    Similar assertions were mentioned in Norm Sloan’s book as well. I do not know the validity of these claims but Thompson and Sloan were adamant that UNC called for the investigation.

    Roy Williams offerred the scholly to Lowe when he was Dean’s assistant, and I think that is why Roy has treated Sidney with respect because UNC really respected Sid’s knowledge of the game and wanted him to run their offense. Sid and Roy have both mentioned the scholarship offer in earlier interviews.

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