Capel & Haith Rumors Swirl Around Columbia

We haven’t spent much time talking about the coaching carousel this off-season so we decided to open this entry for our readers to share things that they are seeing and hearing in the marketplace and to link interesting articles, blog posts, and internet ramblings.

Our neighbors to the South – whom we should play every year in basketball as some form of a ‘tradition’ game – seem to be talking most seriously about Oklahoma’s Jeff Capel and Miami’s Frank Haith.

Capel, 33, just completed his second season at Oklahoma after coaching the previous four seasons at Virginia Commonwealth. He emerged a few weeks ago as a candidate at USC, due in part to his ties to the area. Capel grew up in North Carolina, played at Duke and his father is an assistant coach for the NBA’s Charlotte Bobcats.

You gotta think that Oklahoma is sweating some bullets right now. If for no reason other than perception in the market it can’t be a good sign to lose a coach to the Big Ten and a coach to the bottom of the SEC in a 24 month period.

But, you gotta give programs who know how to proactively manage themselves a lot of credit. OU once challenged Kansas as the gold standard in Big Eight / Big Twelve Basketball. But, Texas refused to sit on the sidelines and went out and hired Rick Barnes to challenge the top of the league.

I remember years ago how a couple of the captains of the HSSS would try to claim Barnes wasn’t a good coach because he couldn’t be OU that often. (Oh, the sadness of the irony). Well…I guess that criticism is gone. OU is now clearly not what they were and their job could turn into a high-risk revolving door and Texas was well positioned to be the benefactor of the turmoil in Norman.

Compare and contrast that with good Ole NC State who watched our rival, UNC-CH, employ FOUR different head basketball coaches in seven years. Talk about an opportunity to catch up!!! Instead, Lee Fowler’s Athletics Department continued to sit on their hands and watch Carolina struggle and then rebound all the while we just continued to run in place.

Coach K can’t be too far from retirement…I can’t wait to see how the Einsteins in West Raleigh are positioned to take advantage of that transition!!

For a little bit of fun related to Frank Haith – you will enjoy this entry from two years ago that discussed how Coach Haith’s interest in the NC State job presented us a ‘floor’ of the ‘worst that we could do’ – which, IMHO, was a fantastic worst case scenario.

You really should read that link; it is quite poignant even two years later and I think that you will enjoy the refresher. Note that the search was about 10 days old at the time and was after Lee Fowler bumbled Rick Barnes and John Calipari’s candidacy. As we highlighted just last week in this home run of an entry, “Coach Fowler” choose to pursue Steve Lavin, John Belein and Lon Kruger during this time frame as opposed to Haith and some of the names that we highlighted in that entry.

At that point, the remaining pool of potential candidates was so negatively tainted that ‘our’ search was screwed and Fowler had nowhere to turn. No coach wanted to be our public ‘6th choice’. I will leave you with a couple of quick highlights from the aforementioned link:

Barring an unknown & unexpected event with some kind of “mystery candidate”, NC State’s coaching search has probably entered a different phase where “Stage B” candidates will need to be properly vetted if they have not already been analyzed by Lee Fowler and team.

Many people have asked, “why aren’t you more devastated by the Rick Barnes & John Calipari situation over the last ten days?” The answer lies in what we think is NC State’s “floor” in this search. In other words, “what is the worst that NC State can do?”.

Barring a God-awful mistake like John Brady (that we honestly do not think that the Wolfpack Club would allow to happen), we think that the “worst” that NC State could do is hire Frank Haith.

Step away from all of your pre-conceived notions for a moment. Think about this and realize that State is in a position that the “WORST” (for lack of a better term”) that we can do in this search is get: a current Atlantic Coast Conference head coach who was the lead assistant in the ACC for successful Wake Forest teams before becoming the lead assistant and top recruiter for Rick Barnes at Texas. By all personal accounts, Haith is an articulate, fiery, tireless worker who has valuable ties in local recruiting networks and is going to be a super coach.

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90 Responses to Capel & Haith Rumors Swirl Around Columbia

  1. choppack1 03/26/2008 at 10:38 AM #

    Tubby Smith was from NC – right?

    At the time, I thought Haith was a decent candidate. You have to remember, it’s probably easier to win at NC State than it is in Miami. There’s a lot of talent in this state -Haith continues to mine it.

    The advantage to bringing in Haith is that you would be bringing in someone w/ contacts in the area, college coaching experience and someone w/ NC roots. He had everything you’d want in the ideal candidate w/ the exception of a great record. His work at Miami since they went to the ACC has been solid and respectable in the 4 years he’s been there: 7-9, 7-9, a really bad season and 8-8. He also is averaging more wins than any coach in recent Miami history.

    You’d have to think that he could improve upon his 7-9 record which thus far is his mean. Personally, I don’t think that there’s a lot of 1st year head coaches that could pull that off. (Seth Greenberg and Al Skinner both had previous HC experience when they went to their schools and Skinner’s start wasn’t as good as Haith’s.)

    Did the prospect of Haith as a candidate make me jump for joy w/ giddiness? Nope. But, he would have been a solid and logical hire – and one that you couldn’t fault Lee too much for making if things went south. (After all, if he was going 7-9 at the U his first 2 years, what could he do at NC State??) It also would have raised eyebrows since his hire would have been from a school in a major conference.

    No, he’s not Rick Barnes or Mike Montgomery, but he’s the next best coach you can hire…someone who has had some success at a major university in a major conference. It would have made sense for so many reasons.

  2. Trout 03/26/2008 at 10:42 AM #

    The ACC has never really hired away coaches from other power conferences. The 6-8 times it has happened, they were alumni returning to their alma mater or leaving lower tiered power conference teams:

    Sloan from Florida to NC State – alum
    Roy from Kansas to UNC – alum
    Gary Williams from Ohio State to MD – alum
    Doherty from Notre Dame to UNC – alum

    UVa hired Laeiteo from Depaul, who had just completed one year in the Big East. Uva hired Gillen from Providence, also a Big East school. Clemson hired Barnes from Providence

    ACC recent coaching hires:

    Clemson – Barnes from Providence, Shyatt from Wyoming, Purnell from Dayton
    Duke – Foster from Utah, K from Army
    UNC – Gut- UNC assistant, Doherty from ND, Roy from Kansas
    NC State – V from Iona, Les from ETSU, Herb from Miami, Lowe from NBA
    UVA- Jones-UVA assistant, Gillen from Providence, Laeito from Depaul
    GT – Cremins from App State, Hewitt from Siena
    FSU – Robertson from Tulsa, Hamilton from the NBA (after being fired)
    Wake – Odom from UVa assistant, Prosser from Xavier, Gaudio- Wake assistant
    MD – Lefty from Davidson, Wade from high school, Williams from Ohio State

  3. StateofthePack 03/26/2008 at 10:55 AM #

    There is a definite possibility of some substantial coaching turnover in the next couple seasons. Haith could move on if these reports are accurate. Hamilton’s leash has be getting short in Tallahassee. How much good will does Hewitt have left over from the Final Four run that seems like 10 years ago? Leitao at UVA didn’t have a good season, loses his best player, and hasn’t recruited great. How long does UVA wait to avoid another Gillen saga. And throw in our situation which we should know an answer to by the end of next season. Should be interesting.

  4. packpower 03/26/2008 at 11:01 AM #

    Trout – good points on the ACC not hiring “big name coaches” other than alumni.

    Plus, Florida was not known as a “power school” during Sloan’s first tenure (1966).

  5. boonami 03/26/2008 at 11:03 AM #

    amazing how much Fowler dropped the ball on the coaching hire. Is there any chance we get this dude out of here? I was on a ferry boat this past weekend talking with a Pack Grad who played fball with Chuckie. The dude told me the problem with State is Fowler and everyone knows it. When will the fat cat boosters say enough is enough and force a change. Bring in Charlie Cobb or Bobby Purcell.

  6. StateFans 03/26/2008 at 11:05 AM #

    Tubby’s significant interest was limited by an extremely lucrative contract and buyout structure at Kentucky.

    (Similar in a way to the limiting factors with our conversations with Mike Mongtomery at Golden State)

    IIRC Tubby had some big annuity and/or buyout that was too big for him to ‘leave on his own’.

  7. Wulfpack 03/26/2008 at 11:05 AM #

    No question Hewitt’s time is running short if he doesn’t get it done this year. They got rid of Gailey in no time.

  8. Texpack 03/26/2008 at 11:07 AM #

    Having grown up in South Carolina, I would say that USC has had the most underachieving revenue sports in all of Division I over the last 40 years. After their 15 years of wandering through the desert of “major independent” status at the urging of Paul Deitzel they have never really recovered.

    I thought Eddie Fogler would turn their bball program into a consistent winner and the same with Lou Holtz in football, but they still have made precious little progress. The State Legislature used to meddle in the athletic department back in the 70’s maybe that is still a drag on their programs today.

    USC and the ACC would both be better off today if they had never left the conference.

  9. StateFans 03/26/2008 at 11:14 AM #

    May I submit that just because the ACC has not historically hired ‘names’ doesn’t mean that the programs shouldn’t be going that route.

    All of the ‘names’ – Mcguire, R Williams, G Williams, etc have a 100% success rate.

    Prosser was close to being a name in light of Xavier’s long term success when he was hired.

    The up and comers do not have such a consistently strong performance record.

  10. kyjelly 03/26/2008 at 11:33 AM #

    Trout: NC State: Lowe from managing a resturant in FLA

  11. Trout 03/26/2008 at 11:35 AM #

    ^ I think the “coaching carousel” now makes it easier to hire names than in the past. People dont think think twice about coaches leaving one big school for another. That never used to happen. But the coaching profession has changed that dynamics. along with a “what have you done for me lately” mentality.

    Heck, MD fans are tired of Gary and wnat someone new. That’s just crazy talk, IMO.

  12. nycfan 03/26/2008 at 11:38 AM #

    ^I don’t think it was a myth, I think there has been a change in policy. Otherwise, Dave Odom probably would have taken the State job instead of Sendek, if the stories are correct.

    One of the many gentlemen’s agreement/clubby management of the ACC that I think are being stripped away by the business of expansion.

  13. WTNY 03/26/2008 at 11:48 AM #

    And throw in our situation which we should know an answer to by the end of next season.

    StateofthePack — I’m hoping we have an answer as well. The big question is will we have a definitive answer? Will we storm back and finish in the top 3 (I know this is unlikely but I’m hoping!) or will we stumble and finish last again? Those would be clear answers. More likely, we will finish up a bit and suffer through endless arguments over whether it was “enough” progress

  14. haze 03/26/2008 at 11:49 AM #

    The difference is in hiring a name for the sake of a name (see Lavin) instead of hiring a name who is actually good at what he does & a good fit (see TOB). Arguably, guys like Sampson or Calipari are in between, good at what they due but a serious fit risk.

    Using today’s names, if you can get a TOB, Montgomery, Barnes, Pearl, etc., then go for it. If you cannot, then have your list of up-and-comers ready and do some good work (see recent hires at Tenn, A&M, UK). We’re lucky at NC State. We are a very good program and we can play with some good names or have our pick of the up-and-comers. However, we are not a great program that can steal from practically anyone (see UCLA or UNC).

  15. choppack1 03/26/2008 at 12:02 PM #

    Haze – I’d throw Indiana and Kentucky in the UCLA and UNC category. (Kentucky moreso than Indiana.) I’d probably put Kansas in that mix as well.

    I didn’t have a problem w/ Fowler pursuing the “bad fits” of Beilein or Kruger – both have proven their worth as a college coach in the past (and Kruger is certainly doing well at UNLV.) I did have a tremendous problem w/ Lavin – I thought pursuing him was the height of stupidity, but it might have worked.

    The point is – the man should have had a plan. If he had one, it was on a napkin or a bunch of sticky notes. After his first options fell through, the search became a laughing stock. Of course, the talking heads took this as a “no one wants the NC State job” rather than “incompetent AD totally bungles search” angle. Unfortunately, our cowardly chancellor appears to agree!

  16. choppack1 03/26/2008 at 12:05 PM #

    clarification on Kruger and Beilein: These guys had proven that they could at least win at the major college level. Both also had tournament success – and especially in Beilein’s case – had proven more successful than the average coach at their respective big time universities.

    I think a lot of good ADs would consider hiring these guys for those reasons. They were both more likely to be successful than a lot of other candidates.

  17. wufpup76 03/26/2008 at 12:27 PM #

    “Of course, the talking heads took this as a “no one wants the NC State job” rather than “incompetent AD totally bungles search” angle.”

    I would say the media portrayed our coaching search that way (no one wanted it) in order to further their own agendas as opposed to saying they took it that way … bast*rds

    It’s fun and gets clicks when you hit an easy target, and we are an easy target w/ our passionate fan base and “media savvy” buffoon of an AD 🙁

  18. Howler 03/26/2008 at 12:28 PM #

    I remember a short period of euphoria after H*** S*****’s departure because it was our chance to get a “name” coach like Barnes or Calipari. When that fell through, Fowler apparently did not go through the next logical progression of next tier coaches. No offense to Sid (and I hope everything turns out well) but there were obviously better choices, and if Sid had not been an alum, he would not have been considered.

  19. b 03/26/2008 at 12:44 PM #

    To me Beilein was a equivalent of Mike Leach at Texas Tech in football. A lot of the success is just the unique system (PO with a dedicated 1-3-1 trap). You can consistently out “strange” teams with similar talent, and never beat a team that’s got better talent.

    Haith surprised me this year, and I don’t know if the ‘Canes success was more due to the ACC being down (tournament results don’t lie, I don’t care about the RPI), or if the light turned on. He and Basketball Grobe are the only conference coaches Sid doesn’t have a losing record against.

  20. StateofthePack 03/26/2008 at 12:45 PM #

    I sincerely hope Sid busts out next year and gets us in the tournament or at least has us on the doorstep in the last week of the regular season needing a win or two to make the dance. Less than that and we will have a definitive answer. More than that we have a definitive answer. Just please no more shades of wolfpack gray in between. Between he who wanders the desert, Amato, and now Avent, I can’t take much more middle of the road mediocrity and bickering amongst the wolfpack nation. Give us something to unite about, other than canning Fowler of course.

  21. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 03/26/2008 at 12:46 PM #

    I think of Sid like Dick Cheney. Cheney was leading Bush’s search for a VP candidate and decided he was the best choice. Sid was an adviser to Fowler from the start and ultimately recommended himself as the best candidate.

  22. IMFletcherWolf 03/26/2008 at 12:47 PM #

    Texpack
    Mar 26th, 2008 at 11:07 am
    Having grown up in South Carolina, I would say that USC has had the most underachieving revenue sports in all of Division I over the last 40 years. After their 15 years of wandering through the desert of “major independent” status at the urging of Paul Deitzel they have never really recovered

    It seems like we have become the “South Carolina” of the ACC!

  23. choppack1 03/26/2008 at 12:51 PM #

    b – Isn’t Sid 1-2 vs. Haith?

  24. Trout 03/26/2008 at 1:03 PM #

    Sid vs:

    Roy: 1-4
    K: 1-3
    Gary: 0-3
    Seth: 4-0
    Gaudio: 1-1
    Purnell: 0-3
    Laeito: 1-3
    Skinner: 0-2
    Hamilton: 1-2
    Hewitt: 0-2
    Haith: 1-2

  25. Rick 03/26/2008 at 1:14 PM #

    “Using today’s names, if you can get a TOB, Montgomery, Barnes, Pearl, etc., then go for it. If you cannot, then have your list of up-and-comers ready and do some good work”

    Problem is our mouthing breathing AD has no idea who or what is a good up and comer.

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